G.O.P. Anger Over Tax Deal Endangers Final Passage
Source: New York Times
WASHINGTON House Republicans reacted with anger Tuesday afternoon to a Senate-passed plan to head off automatic tax increases and spending cuts, putting the fate of the legislation in doubt just hours after it appeared Congress was nearing a resolution of the fiscal crisis.
Lawmakers said that Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the No. 2 Republican, indicated to his colleagues in a closed-door meeting in the basement of the Capitol that he could not support the legislation in its current form. Many other Republicans were voicing stiff objections to a plan that they saw as raising taxes while doing little to rein in spending. Several conservatives assailed it on the House floor as the chamber convened at noon for an unusual New Years Day session.
The aides said that Speaker John A. Boehner, who had pledged to put any measure the Senate passed on the House floor for a vote, was mainly listening to the complaints of his rank and file and had not taken a firm position on the legislation, though he had clear reservations.
The situation loomed as a significant test for Mr. Boehner, who had been unable to pass his own proposal to increase taxes only on $1 million in income and above. He has said repeatedly that he would allow a vote on the Senate bill, but he has also said he did not want to pass a bill with predominantly Democratic votes. Public opposition from Mr. Cantor, who has up to this point sided with Mr. Boehner in the fiscal fight, would also complicate his position.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/02/us/politics/house-takes-on-fiscal-cliff.html?_r=0
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)If they keep this up their approval rating will hit negative numbers.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)I can see an upshot,stemming from the thugs constant stream of pure bullshit shenanigans,at least locally...I'm hearing more people,all the time,wondering aloud,how is this shit not treasonous??...So some constructive dialogs are beginning to take place.......An awakening??.....I dunno.....Maybe....It's becoming very obvious,to people I know that really don't pay much attention,that the thugs are not doing themselves any favors......Keep giving them the rope,I guess......Eventually,they should have enough to hang themselves with some finality.....
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Panasonic
(2,921 posts)Republicans should be extremely endangered, and efforts should be made to either 1) Quit the party and caucus on the Democratic side, or 2) Form a splinter group and caucus for NOBODY. Either way, the Democrats would have the majority.
malz
(89 posts)Again.
plethoro
(594 posts)dddddddd
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Kennah
(14,256 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)A new Congress is about to be seated shortly, and if he can portray the current Weeper of the House as a sell-out to the President and the Democratic Party, then he can move quickly to take over the Speakership.
This is all about what's good for Eric Cantor, and not what's good for his country or even his party.
Cha
(297,172 posts)Joe Biden who brokered this Deal in the Senate with mitch.
Too bad that messes with your hatin' on the President, A-Gain.
I'm willing to cause a recession and default on my mortgage just to teach them a lesson. Who's with me!?!
NCarolinawoman
(2,825 posts)These loons are so predictable.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)If the House Repubs. either vote down the Senate bill, or, refuse to bring it to the floor, or, make amendments to the bill, which the Senate then refuses to bring to floor: do we just go back to "going over the cliff," with all the Bush tax cuts expiring????
(edited for clarity)
obama2terms
(563 posts)QED
(2,747 posts)Looking at their record, that's the only thing one can conclude that they're interested in doing.
(sort of)
plethoro
(594 posts)creative caving may begin. Or, in my wildest hope the Democrats tell the Republicans to get screwed and hold tight while the Democrats turn them into Whigs.
caledesi
(11,903 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The next Congress starts at noon on Thursday. If the House doesn't approve the Senate bill, there really isn't time to amend the bill and send it back to the Senate.
So the old bill goes away, and the whole negotiation starts over again.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)President Obama moved further away from his giveaways. And the time before that, and the time before that too.
IOW, if they don't pass this, they'll hate the next proposal even more. I wonder if they've figured that out yet?
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)What the hell does that mean?
If the bill passes the House "with predominately Democratic votes", will he cry again?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)If he gets a bill through with more Democrats supporting it than Republicans, the Repubs will turn on him, and say he doesn't lead them.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)and if the Repubs turn on him, and say he doesn't lead them, that means Cantor will likely become Speaker.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)It means he will only work to pass something if most of the Democrats are against it.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Seriously, let's hope they shoot themselves in the foot here.
IDIOTS!
bloomington-lib
(946 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Yeah, I can agree with that.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)What with this and the talk of "not negotiating with skid marks", the accidental metaphors have been fruitful recently.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)They don't need a bill that passes the Senate by 89 to 8.
They will send back something calculated to pass by 59 to 38, and dare Reid to bring it to a vote.
James48
(4,435 posts)House Rep Spencer Bacus (R-confederate state of Alabama) just said .....no deal.
We go over the cliff.
Details:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/01/1382321/house-republican-says-gop-will-send-fiscal-bill-back-to-senate/
onestepforward
(3,691 posts)If the GOP then tries to pass an amended bill, "they will have to do it with their own votes," said Rep. James Clyburn, (D- S.C.), a member of the leadership. Either scenario would kill the deal.
If the GOP doesn't offer an up or down vote on the Senate deal, well, that would kill the deal, too.
And then what? "Well, I say that then we wait for the new Congress to come in on Thursday. We'll have better numbers, more members on our side," said Clyburn. "Then we offer a new bill that they will like even less. They didn't like the 450 (thousand dollar in household income) floor on the tax increase? Let's see how much they like it when we push it back down to 250 (thousand)!"
Ligyron
(7,629 posts)Surely we can get a better deal than this
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)shireen
(8,333 posts)they're going to be thrown off another kind of cliff.
John2
(2,730 posts)is not funny guys but I can't help from laughing. They are just as crazy as some of their supporters. Who ever elected them to office has got to be crazy. They are just proving people like me right about them. The whole problem with the U.S. problems has been the Republican house. We didn't have these problems until these idiots was elected to office.
Cha
(297,172 posts)Greg Sargent
@ThePlumLineGS If House Rs killing WH-McConnell deal isn't enough to persuade media figures to drop false equivalence BS, nothing will
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)denbot
(9,899 posts)Who wants to bet against Cantor making his move for the gavel?
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)considering that if he miscalculates by even a little, (is it 17 votes?) the Letterhead will say "Speaker PELOSI" on it again..
that being said, I'm not putting money on the table for this one.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)my way I will not play anymore.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)If Boener et all wants cuts, give them cuts... cut corporate welfare, cut the war, cut most of the million dollar generals & admirals, cut the polititions wages, cut military contractors. There's all kinds of cuts that won't hurt the middle class or the poor. I say give them cuts.
Kablooie
(18,628 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)NeoConsSuck
(2,544 posts)Dow futures are up 250 points at 6 PM.
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures/
Of course, if the House votes against or amends the agreement, then all bets are off.
AlphaCentauri
(6,460 posts)let the tax cuts and cuts on spending work only in their districts and see how that works out.