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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:01 AM Jan 2013

Gerard Depardieu 'granted Russian citizenship'

Source: BBC News

French actor Gerard Depardieu has obtained Russian citizenship, according to a brief statement posted on the Kremlin website.

"Vladimir Putin has signed a decree granting Russian citizenship to Gerard Depardieu," the message read.

Mr Depardieu recently announced he would give up his French passport after the government criticised his decision to move abroad to avoid higher taxes.

In December, Mr Putin said he would be happy to welcome the actor in Russia.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20896894



This is a reaction / in connection with the intended 75% top marginal rate of tax in France. He had originally said he'd move over the border into Belgium.
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Gerard Depardieu 'granted Russian citizenship' (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jan 2013 OP
Most actors in Hollywood (the big ones at least) form an LLC for this reason Recursion Jan 2013 #1
Couldn't France just never leftynyc Jan 2013 #2
Their movie industry might be unhappy about that Recursion Jan 2013 #3
If he were off the radar for leftynyc Jan 2013 #4
Did you ever see "Germinal"? Recursion Jan 2013 #5
No - never heard of it leftynyc Jan 2013 #10
You're not French. thebard77 Jan 2013 #8
Not really much different leftynyc Jan 2013 #11
Hard to say thebard77 Jan 2013 #12
I've learned how not to leftynyc Jan 2013 #17
If Belgium gave him residency dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #22
I understand that leftynyc Jan 2013 #24
Sorry dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #32
Sorry - yes I did leave out a word leftynyc Jan 2013 #33
Gotcha dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #34
I read about his early life leftynyc Jan 2013 #35
Lindy Hop. dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #36
Harlem has many gems leftynyc Jan 2013 #37
Still keeping himself busy though dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #9
Thanks, now I know what movies to avoid n/t angstlessk Jan 2013 #15
Their movie industry would flourish if they did not hire Depardieu for any more movies. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #19
EU open borders. Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #38
I thought it was Russia leftynyc Jan 2013 #39
Russia is giving him citizenship Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #40
Yeah, great decision Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #27
I wouldn't want to pay that tax rate either. thebard77 Jan 2013 #6
Keep your current job (whether in France or elsewhere) and you will never have that worry. ret5hd Jan 2013 #7
I guess Russia didn't have enough rapists? Tom Ripley Jan 2013 #13
Gerard Depardieu accused of rape dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #21
He seems to have admitted to it Tempest Jan 2013 #23
Holy shit leftynyc Jan 2013 #25
An article in Time early 1991 dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #30
He claims that this was a "mistranslation" Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #28
How is Russia an improvement treestar Jan 2013 #14
Russia has a flat 15% individual income tax Recursion Jan 2013 #16
I love him but he is nuts. Nt daa Jan 2013 #18
Wonder if France would give me his spot? Marthe48 Jan 2013 #20
He can go pee pee in the aisles of Russian planes, now! MADem Jan 2013 #26
I still like him actually thebard77 Jan 2013 #29
I thought his performnce in Cyrano de Bergerac was amazing aint_no_life_nowhere Jan 2013 #41
He played the role of Ras-Putin in a French movie. Amonester Jan 2013 #31

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. Most actors in Hollywood (the big ones at least) form an LLC for this reason
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:10 AM
Jan 2013

So the Alec Baldwin Dramatics LLC (or whatever he calls it) receives payment from the movie LLC, pays at the lower corporate rate, and pays Alec Baldwin a "salary" over the next several years. This both avoids higher tax rates and sees actors through years where they don't get parts.

That said, while 75% is not in any absolute sense too high for a top marginal rate, this shows a disadvantage of moving to that when neighboring countries' rates are much lower.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Their movie industry might be unhappy about that
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:30 AM
Jan 2013

Though he's getting on there in years and doesn't have many leading man parts left.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. If he were off the radar for
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:37 AM
Jan 2013

a year, nobody would remember him. Such is life for a celebrity and frankly, I never considered him leading man material.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Did you ever see "Germinal"?
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:39 AM
Jan 2013

It involves seeing Gerard naked a little more than is quite right, but he was amazing.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. No - never heard of it
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:00 AM
Jan 2013

And that's my point. Maybe the French will miss him but considering he cares more about his money than he does his country, I'm sure the French get over it quickly. Hope his cash will keep him warm at night.

 

thebard77

(37 posts)
8. You're not French.
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jan 2013

The French see and approach the world quite differently than Americans and even most European countries. The main reason why people think the French hate us is because we really do not understand them.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
11. Not really much different
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:02 AM
Jan 2013

and other than travelling to and from Europe for the last 20 years for both business and vacations, I can't say I can get into their minds. Do you think they'll raise a fuss about someone who cares more about his cash than his country?

 

thebard77

(37 posts)
12. Hard to say
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:21 AM
Jan 2013

Gerard Depardieu is the most visible person in this tax fight due to his celebrity status. however, there have been many stories coming out of France concerning wealthy French citizens wanting to leave or have left due to the high tax burdon. Patriotism does come into play but sooner or later, they'll forget and he'll obtain work again.
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As for getting into the French minds. I lived there and its just not possible If you treat the French with respect and attempt to honor their customs, they will be cordial. Hell, i've seen a bunch of brash American college students in a bar in Saint Malo. They were still treated respectfully though everyone laughed at them behind their backs. Anyway, no one can really understand the differences until you try dating. That is a real mind fuck. What we consider dating here doesn't really exist in France. And forget about meeting parents... that just doesn't happen unless you're about ready to walk down the aisle.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
17. I've learned how not to
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:58 AM
Jan 2013

be an ugly American. I don't expect everyone to speak English - which I find is the biggest complaint coming from Europeans. Americans are much more casual in their clothes and I try and keep that in mind as well. About the taxes - let em leave - but I would make it very plain they were never going to step foot in France (or whereever) again.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
22. If Belgium gave him residency
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jan 2013

France couldn't stop him from doing anything without leaving the Schengen Agreement.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. Sorry - yes I did leave out a word
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:03 AM
Jan 2013

I was pulling my stuff together to go home. I wondered if the fact that those part of the EU dont need passports to go to other EU countries was why he didn't choose one of them (or if they would refuse him) on that basis.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
34. Gotcha
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:28 AM
Jan 2013

I would doubt he'd consider going to one of the countries not in that agreement - Romania whatever who are not allowed into that yet. UK and Ireland are not in it either but that's a technicality. Some soft details here for you : http://www.lonelyplanet.com/europe/travel-tips-and-articles/76920

I would doubt anyone would refuse him anyway - he's a character. Russian's use this ruse of moving to an EU country providing freedom of movement too - usually Spain of late.

I amended the other post re. the rape business when I got back from dancing - I'm hopeless using the Note for links whatever. From the Guardian article I concluded that Time itself must've retracted the statement which seems to have referred when he was 9 years old and as such may not have been literal rape. If you check his history you'll find that even at that early age he'd fallen in with a bad lot. I still don't understand how come France left it so late making rape an offense anyway.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
35. I read about his early life
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:42 AM
Jan 2013

and he did have quite the ride. I feel the same way about him as I do the losers here that say they're going to leave if they have to pay higher taxes. My attitude is "go, and know you'll never be allowed to return". He doesn't care about his country or the people in it who made him famous. Fuck him.

P.S. When reading up on him, I was reminded about the incident where he urinated on the airplane. The man simply has no class and France will be better off without him.

P.P.S. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of dancing do you do?

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
36. Lindy Hop.
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:03 AM
Jan 2013

I could dance to R & R and New Orleans Jazz early sixties. My wife died young 1990 and a few years later needing something to occupy me in the evenings I accidentally discovered Lindy. I then spent best part of 7 years dancing every night of the week until I tired of trashing the value of new cars doing vast annual mileages and also was on a plane mid Atlantic to SF for a dance camp 9/11 which spooked me. I then drifted into listening to American Old Time traditional music and collecting a truly vast number of banjos which has given me numerous friends your side. I just dance a couple of times a week now - keeps me fit.

NYC is the home of Lindy : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Ballroom what was lovely about that place was that it was mixed race with no issues and the only hard and fast rule was that guys were not to remove their jackets.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. Harlem has many gems
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:38 AM
Jan 2013

and has been undergoing quite the renaissance for the last 20 years. My mom (a white Jewish woman) used to go to the Apollo all the time and still is (at 72) quite the dancer. I'm so sorry to hear about losing your wife so young and admire that you found such a positive way to move through the grief. While I love music (almost all kinds), all the dancing genes went to my twin.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. Their movie industry would flourish if they did not hire Depardieu for any more movies.
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jan 2013

He manages to ruin every movie he is in these days. He only has one character -- an emotionless, boring, blase, bitter guy.


Who knows? Without Depardieu and "actors" of his kind, French movies might be more popular in the US.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
38. EU open borders.
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:06 AM
Jan 2013

He has residency in Belgium, doesn't he? I don't think France can stop him from traveling.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. I thought it was Russia
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jan 2013

that said they'd take him in (though why anyone would want this low class shitheal is beyond me).

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
40. Russia is giving him citizenship
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jan 2013

Which according to French rules, means he doesn't have to pay taxes in France. He established residence in Belgium, though.

ret5hd

(20,482 posts)
7. Keep your current job (whether in France or elsewhere) and you will never have that worry.
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:51 AM
Jan 2013

I promise.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
21. Gerard Depardieu accused of rape
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jan 2013

on Democratic Underground.

Got a link which claims that without being subsequently dismissed ?

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
23. He seems to have admitted to it
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jan 2013

"I don't understand why rape is seen as bad in this country. In (France), I've raped several women."

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
30. An article in Time early 1991
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)

which referred to this from 13 years earlier.

Just before the Academy Awards ceremony, Time magazine ran a profile that mistakenly suggested that the actor might have "participated" in a rape at the age of nine. The claim was based on an interview carried out 13 years earlier and was the result of an incorrect translation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2000/dec/22/culture.features

Rape wasn't made illegal in France until 1980 - not sure what preceded that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. How is Russia an improvement
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:28 AM
Jan 2013

If Putin can single handedly grant him citizenship, then maybe Putin can singlehandedly increase his tax rate.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Russia has a flat 15% individual income tax
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:45 AM
Jan 2013

Most government funding comes from industry concessions. It's pretty mercantilist there.

Putin probably could get that through the Duma, but just in terms of mindset, income taxes aren't thought of by Russia as a general funding source.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. He can go pee pee in the aisles of Russian planes, now!
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jan 2013

He must make a very good payday and have been given a great tax break by the Russkies....

I'd find another country if I were him, though. I don't like Pooty-Poot one bit.

Did they not want him in Belgium?

 

thebard77

(37 posts)
29. I still like him actually
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jan 2013

He and his son were both great in Tous Les Matins Du Monde. I love that movie. The scene where the Viol De Gamba is smashed against the wall makes me smile everytime. God knows how many times i've wanted to do that with my own students.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
41. I thought his performnce in Cyrano de Bergerac was amazing
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jan 2013

in one of the most visually stunning films of all time. It was as if the role was made for him. The best Cyrano ever. Phenomenal.




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