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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:30 PM Jan 2012

Hillary Clinton Says She’s Ready to Step Off ‘the High Wire of American Politics’

Last edited Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:32 PM - Edit history (1)

It’s not the first time she’s said she’s leaving government service after her current job, but Secretary of State Hillary Clinton definitively said today she wants out of politics.

During a town hall meeting with State Department employees this morning Clinton said she is ready to step off “the high wire of American politics.” She said she’s paying no attention to the battle for the Republican presidential nomination and hasn’t watched any of the debates.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/hillary-clinton-says-shes-ready-to-step-off-the-high-wire-of-american-politics

She did a great job. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would have been happy with either her or President Obama in the White House in 2008.

(Edited for a better link. We've known that she will step down for some time. But not quite yet.)

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Hillary Clinton Says She’s Ready to Step Off ‘the High Wire of American Politics’ (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2012 OP
Speaking tours? Taverner Jan 2012 #1
She's said before she's not running for anything in the future. nt TheWraith Jan 2012 #23
She'll get highpaying, no-work jobs sitting on the boards of defense contractors Ken Burch Jan 2012 #112
We love you, Hillary. Skinner Jan 2012 #2
+1!!! nt MADem Jan 2012 #16
Yes! Thank you Skinner. Hillary Clinton has served... YvonneCa Jan 2012 #37
She was a cheerleader for what she knew was a useless war Ken Burch Jan 2012 #114
And I disagrees with her and those who... YvonneCa Jan 2012 #115
Agreed. Firebrand Gary Jan 2012 #64
Some of us don't love her. Some of us are saying GOOD RIDDANCE because of what she has done. n.t antigop Jan 2012 #96
And some of us can't stand Obama and there he is. Beacool Jan 2012 #113
I'm not thrilled with either of them Ken Burch Jan 2012 #116
K&r n/t Politicub Jan 2012 #97
I have a feeling she'll be around in one form or another donheld Jan 2012 #118
+ a million. Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #135
+x100 emilyg Jan 2012 #136
she will be missed and I hope she stays in the public eye wwytchwood Jan 2012 #3
I am sorry to hear this. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2012 #4
We've known that for a year or so, haven't we? lamp_shade Jan 2012 #5
Yes. TheWraith Jan 2012 #24
Let her retire. Pab Sungenis Jan 2012 #6
Excellent idea. geardaddy Jan 2012 #8
I like the way you think! eom Dulcinea Jan 2012 #9
great idea. nt DesertFlower Jan 2012 #12
I LIKE this! Yes! Yes! YES! BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #19
Hillary is a tad too old to be nominated to the Supreme Court, she'll be 65 this year. Tx4obama Jan 2012 #46
Dang. That's true. BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #117
The Four Assholes of the Apocalypse might as well be considered papal. HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #50
That might be a good thing. glinda Jan 2012 #49
Most excellent idea. denbot Jan 2012 #61
Oh, yeah!!!! nt valerief Jan 2012 #65
I can understand how she feels MaineDem Jan 2012 #7
Hear, hear primavera Jan 2012 #63
Thank you for your service,Hillary. Hope sufrommich Jan 2012 #10
She looked really spent at the SOTU speech Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #11
I thought so, too. hamsterjill Jan 2012 #14
Digital television definition can be cruel, even on an analog television. nt MADem Jan 2012 #17
she does look tired. DesertFlower Jan 2012 #13
She did politicasista Jan 2012 #45
It's odd this story isn't on cnn.com, msnbc.com, Google News, etc. JaneQPublic Jan 2012 #15
Here are some links: Skinner Jan 2012 #20
Great! Thanks (nt) JaneQPublic Jan 2012 #22
This has been "out there" for a year or more. She's just prepping her team as we get closer to the MADem Jan 2012 #21
Had she announced before that she was going to step down after the election? Skinner Jan 2012 #25
I remember reading an article about this very thing about a year ago. MADem Jan 2012 #29
OK. Apparently the "stepping down" part is not new. Skinner Jan 2012 #26
I'm beginning to think that this is just an AP filler story. onehandle Jan 2012 #33
Maybe swap out your story for this one? Skinner Jan 2012 #34
Done. nt onehandle Jan 2012 #35
What is "new" here is that she got all her peeps together in the auditorium at State. MADem Jan 2012 #55
I wish her well and hope she gets to do whatever she wants to do. Botany Jan 2012 #18
We should all be so lucky. nt valerief Jan 2012 #66
Thank you Hillary. You have served your nation well. rurallib Jan 2012 #27
I look forward to establishment of the - DURHAM D Jan 2012 #28
I owe her my support if runs in 2016 bluestateguy Jan 2012 #30
I agree DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #42
She is brilliant, and we were lucky to have had her for as long as we did. Thank you, Hillary! juajen Jan 2012 #121
Hillary has done yeoman's work in a brutal job. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #31
She's hinted at this over the last few months Warpy Jan 2012 #32
Hillary for USSC Lil Missy Jan 2012 #36
Good riddance to DLC sHillary. Don't let the door hit you. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #38
Not cool. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #39
Not cool that she sold out the American worker. nt antigop Jan 2012 #41
What's not cool is your abject cluelessness. MADem Jan 2012 #56
I've posted MANY times on DU about DLC sHIllary. WATCH THESE VIDEOS! antigop Jan 2012 #71
Why don't you post your own threads instead of hijacking those of others? MADem Jan 2012 #77
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #78
I won't watch them. They have nothing to do with the OP. Go peddle your gripes elsewhere. MADem Jan 2012 #88
Thank you for the opportunity to draw attention to the videos and what DLC sHillary has done. antigop Jan 2012 #93
So I'm not allowed to disagree with sHillary lovefest? n/t antigop Jan 2012 #81
You're being DELIBERATELY DISRUPTIVE. nt MADem Jan 2012 #89
NO, you're not allowing someone to disagree with the sHillary lovefest. WATCH THE VIDEOS! n/t antigop Jan 2012 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author antigop Jan 2012 #72
After all this time are you still clueless about the DLC? How pitiful. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #73
You are being rude, disruptive, hurtful and over-the-top--and I don't think I'm the only one MADem Jan 2012 #79
I'm drawing attention to what she has done. I guess you can't stand the DLC being called out. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #82
No you are not--you are deliberately, with malice, disrupting a thread about her retirement. MADem Jan 2012 #84
I'm saying GOOD RIDDANCE. I'm allowed to say that about a DLCer. No love lost. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #85
Good riddance? You mean you're leaving? Oh, happy day. nt MADem Jan 2012 #90
You haven't addressed the videos and what she has done. GOOD RIDDANCE TO HER. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #92
What part of "I will not watch your thread-disrupting videos, you rude person" is unclear to you? nt MADem Jan 2012 #94
HAHA. I'm "rude" because I point out why I say GOOD RIDDANCE. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #98
You are rude--and obtuse--because you persist in antisocial conduct. nt MADem Jan 2012 #101
I'm sorry that you can't handle the truth about the DLC and what DLC sHIllary has done. n /t antigop Jan 2012 #102
Here's the truth--you are a disruptor. nt MADem Jan 2012 #103
Nope...just expressing my opinion of GOOD RIDDANCE on her retirement. The VIDEOS explain why. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #105
You lost your credibility Speed8098 Jan 2012 #133
You won't even watch the videos to find out why I say GOOD RIDDANCE. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #99
Now you're getting it--who ever said you weren't clever? nt MADem Jan 2012 #100
I'm clever enough to figure out the damage the DLC has done. The videos demonstrate the damage. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #104
And I'm allowed to say "shut the Hell up!" Enough! juajen Jan 2012 #122
Where's the rule that everyone has to be happy smiley about a pol's retirement? tabasco Jan 2012 #86
The posts should at least relate to the OP. nt MADem Jan 2012 #87
My posts do relate to the OP. GOOD RIDDANCE TO HER for what she's done. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #91
No one has responded to the videos....because you can't defend the indefensible. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #83
No one is watching them. Get a clue! juajen Jan 2012 #123
What you said! MADem Jan 2012 #126
This is a farewell thread? I thought it was in LBN bread_and_roses Jan 2012 #128
Guess what? No one cares what you think. Thread derailer/disruptor=bad form. nt MADem Jan 2012 #129
So it's now disruptive to call someone a DLCer? Interesting ... bread_and_roses Jan 2012 #131
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #51
Aw, someone doesn't like the DLCers called out. Too bad. nt antigop Jan 2012 #76
I like to see antone do as good a job as she has. I wish she would stay. The Wielding Truth Jan 2012 #53
Yes, she's done a great job selling out the American workers. WATCH THE VIDEOS! nt antigop Jan 2012 #75
What a (((NASTY))) thing to say about a woman who has dedicated over half of her life in Auntie Bush Jan 2012 #68
She's DLC. That says it all. n.t antigop Jan 2012 #74
Why don't you let the door hit YOU in the ass????? Beacool Jan 2012 #106
Tell that to the tech workers she threw under the bus. Ah, yes, NAFTA Bill. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #107
So... blue_onyx Jan 2012 #120
So did you watch the videos I posted? They explain why I say GOOD RIDDANCE to her. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #108
Also do a search on DLC. Plenty of stuff posted on it. n/t antigop Jan 2012 #109
I wish her well - and look forward to Chelsea helping us TBF Jan 2012 #40
I hope she participates in public life but NEVER runs for office. EVER. MADem Jan 2012 #57
Hillary Clinton has done an outstanding job. What an exception public servant Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #43
she looked tired at teh State of the Union Demonaut Jan 2012 #44
I wasn't a great fan of Hillary untill, ... ... bayareaboy Jan 2012 #47
After retirement Hillary wants to work on womens' rights globally Tx4obama Jan 2012 #48
John Kerry or (fingers crossed!!) Susan Rice will hopefully step in Number23 Jan 2012 #52
We don't want to take a Senior Senator out of the Senate! MADem Jan 2012 #58
Absolutely agreed! Number23 Jan 2012 #59
She's a poster girl for strength, toughness and resilience. n/t deacon Jan 2012 #54
Agreed! She's a poster girl for woman in general...what a super role model for women and girls. Auntie Bush Jan 2012 #69
ah yes - all my role models defend cluster bombs bread_and_roses Jan 2012 #132
The democratic party is fortunate to have her and so is America. Too Liquorice Jan 2012 #60
Hear, hear!!! Beacool Jan 2012 #111
She looks ill and she definitely looks like she just doesn't care. There's Hestia Jan 2012 #62
She's just plain exhauster! You'd be too if you traveled the world repeatedly for 3 years. Auntie Bush Jan 2012 #70
She looked very tired Alcibiades Jan 2012 #119
The woman is in her mid sixties, and she doesn't have "hair and makeup" following her anymore. MADem Jan 2012 #127
When I found out there is no real bed and no shower on the SOS plane I was shocked. DURHAM D Jan 2012 #137
I agree--at least an air mattress in the back, or something!!! MADem Jan 2012 #142
That woman has got to be EXHAUSTED. BigDemVoter Jan 2012 #67
SecState has GOT to be tough AnnieBW Jan 2012 #80
I will miss seeing her regularly, Beacool Jan 2012 #110
I believe that she has done an excellent job as SOS - BlueMTexpat Jan 2012 #124
I think she'll probably be a global advocate on women's issues eridani Jan 2012 #125
NOOOOOooooooo..... . . . !! Bruce Wayne Jan 2012 #130
This makes me so sad. Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #134
I question the timing of this announcement. I love Hillary and hope to see her stay in politics .... tropicanarose Jan 2012 #138
She was responding to a question. Beacool Jan 2012 #139
Can't say I blame her. She's had to fight and fight hard, every step of the way. eom tawadi Jan 2012 #140
I don't blame her - She's been great WildFire43 Jan 2012 #141
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
112. She'll get highpaying, no-work jobs sitting on the boards of defense contractors
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:56 PM
Jan 2012

Repayment of her years of making the delusional argument that war can be feminist or progressive.

Thank you, HRC-your class will now reward you.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
37. Yes! Thank you Skinner. Hillary Clinton has served...
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:42 PM
Jan 2012

...this country way beyond what anyone should be asked to do, as an attorney, as Arkansas' first lady, as our country's first lady, as a Senator, as a candidate for President and as Secretary of State. (It makes me exhausted just thinking about it.)

I am glad she is putting herself on her own 'to do' list. I hope she enjoys her time away. In the future, should she choose to seek office again, I'll support her 100%.

Thank you, Hillary!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
114. She was a cheerleader for what she knew was a useless war
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jan 2012

No woman in Iraq benefited in the slightest from all that death. Neither has any woman in Afghanistan. War is only good for male dominance. It can't have progressive or feminist results anywhere anymore.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
115. And I disagrees with her and those who...
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jan 2012

...supported that war. "A dumb war" to quote our President. And I disagree with HIM on education.

I still wish Hillary well...she works hard for what she believes and for this country. She's not perfect. Neither is Obama. Neither am I.

Peace...

antigop

(12,778 posts)
96. Some of us don't love her. Some of us are saying GOOD RIDDANCE because of what she has done. n.t
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:19 PM
Jan 2012
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
116. I'm not thrilled with either of them
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:13 AM
Jan 2012

Still, it does go without saying that a HRC presidency would have been to the right of Obama's-which would automatically have made it a political failure and made the losses in 2010 even greater.

donheld

(21,311 posts)
118. I have a feeling she'll be around in one form or another
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:48 AM
Jan 2012

Maybe writing, speaking, punditry etc. I hope so.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
24. Yes.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:59 PM
Jan 2012

This seems to mostly be her tamping down wishful thinking on the part of people who thought she didn't really mean it before.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
6. Let her retire.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jan 2012

Then nominate her for the Supreme Court next opening. Especially if the next opening is Scalia or Thomas' seat.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
19. I LIKE this! Yes! Yes! YES!
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jan 2012

The honorable Hillary Rodham-Clinton as our next justice!

I believe Kennedy might retire, together with Ginsberg and maybe Bryer, but Thomas and Scalia will stay on their seats until they're taken away by paramedics.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
46. Hillary is a tad too old to be nominated to the Supreme Court, she'll be 65 this year.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jan 2012

The 'majority' of current Justices were well under the age of 60 when appointed.

Current Justices here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Supreme_Court#Current_justices

The fifth column shows their age at appointment.

Early 50s appears to be the median age.



BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
117. Dang. That's true.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:17 AM
Jan 2012

You're right. Unfortunately, she's not young enough.

But, imo, she would've made a durn good SCOTUS Justice.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
50. The Four Assholes of the Apocalypse might as well be considered papal.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 06:46 PM
Jan 2012

Those hyperpartisan Dons will leave when there are ambulances at 1 First Street, NE.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
61. Most excellent idea.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jan 2012

OMG, the brain splatter all over freeper monitors, and keyboard if that was ever announced.
Not likely, but one could dream.

MaineDem

(18,161 posts)
7. I can understand how she feels
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jan 2012

I wish her luck and happiness with whatever life has in store for her. She deserves some down time.

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
45. She did
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jan 2012

It was written all over her face. Hopefully she can now take some time to BGTH (Be Good To Herself).

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
15. It's odd this story isn't on cnn.com, msnbc.com, Google News, etc.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:52 PM
Jan 2012

You would think this would be big-time breaking news everywhere, if she had in fact decided to call it quits.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. This has been "out there" for a year or more. She's just prepping her team as we get closer to the
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jan 2012

election. She'll wait until after the election, to give Obama time to choose a new SECSTATE, get that person through the nomination process, and do a turnover with that person. It's not a surprise, though.

For a time, there was speculation that she and Joe Biden would "switch jobs" after the election. I haven't heard that one lately, though.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
25. Had she announced before that she was going to step down after the election?
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:00 PM
Jan 2012

I must admit I don't know.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. I remember reading an article about this very thing about a year ago.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jan 2012

Here we go--March of last year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8386818/Hillary-Clinton-will-step-down-after-2012.html


Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, has confirmed that she will not serve in the next Barack Obama administration if the president wins a second term in 2012.


There's a bit of video/interview as well.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
26. OK. Apparently the "stepping down" part is not new.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:04 PM
Jan 2012

This is from last October:

In an interview yesterday, Mrs Clinton said that she believes President Barack Obama will be re-elected and that she expects to leave her current job after a transition period in his second term.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048271/Hillary-Clinton-yearns-private-life-2012-presidential-election.html

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
33. I'm beginning to think that this is just an AP filler story.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

I had problems finding links. HuffPo had it on their homepage, then pulled it.

Yes, we already knew she wasn't going past the President's first term.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
34. Maybe swap out your story for this one?
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jan 2012
Hillary Clinton Says She’s Ready to Step Off ‘the High Wire of American Politics’

It’s not the first time she’s said she’s leaving government service after her current job, but Secretary of State Hillary Clinton definitively said today she wants out of politics.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/hillary-clinton-says-shes-ready-to-step-off-the-high-wire-of-american-politics/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. What is "new" here is that she got all her peeps together in the auditorium at State.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:41 PM
Jan 2012

She's basically giving them notice. Now's the time, if you wanna jump, to do it. You have a shot at a good slot in another agency, maybe working for a bullet proof incumbent on the Hill working international/state issues? JUMP! Go now! Get the good reference while people are still here to give it to you. Also, understand that if you are in one of my SECSTATE-designated "grace and favor" jobs, that the new guy or gal is going to want to put his/her own people in that slot, so start looking around for another slot in the civil service tier you might be able to slide into....

That's how I see it, anyway. To my view, it IS LBN--for those reasons, alone.

Botany

(70,500 posts)
18. I wish her well and hope she gets to do whatever she wants to do.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jan 2012





BTW this puts a stop to the karl rove / right wing dirty rumor that Biden will be Sec. of State
and Hillary will be Veep.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
28. I look forward to establishment of the -
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:08 PM
Jan 2012

Hillary Clinton Foundation. Her focus will be on those issues that have always been most important to her - women and girls. I would assume she will continue her work for housing/help for GLBT teens.

If she has annual summits I will attend. Can't wait. So much to do - so little time.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
30. I owe her my support if runs in 2016
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:14 PM
Jan 2012

She kept her word--no, she was better than her word--to campaign for the Obama-Biden ticket after the grueling primaries were over.

She will be my first choice for the nomination in 4 years if she wants it.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
42. I agree
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 06:11 PM
Jan 2012

and I say this as one who fights with the hillary "supporters" that seem to hate Obama so much.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. Hillary has done yeoman's work in a brutal job.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:17 PM
Jan 2012

Her term as SoS has been one of the brightest spots of the last three years.

Warpy

(111,249 posts)
32. She's hinted at this over the last few months
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:17 PM
Jan 2012

by saying she's very much looking forward to retirement.

I knew she'd grow into the job as SOS and she did. She's been one of the better ones we've seen in the past 40 years or so. However, it's an exhausting job, the jet lag alone burning people out in record time.

Books and speaking engagements will be a lot easier on her. I hope she does both.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. What's not cool is your abject cluelessness.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:47 PM
Jan 2012

Aside from the fact that you win the "I'm a total thread-shitter" prize with a quick and cheap piece of unsubstantiated snark.

You really want to discuss your gripes? Gird your loins and fire up a thread on the topic--don't do a wussy little chickenshit drive-by on a farewell thread.

Cheap shot. What sort of person delivers those? The question almost answers itself.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. Why don't you post your own threads instead of hijacking those of others?
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:48 PM
Jan 2012

And while you're at it, the Ancient History Forum is that-a-way.

You're really a piece of work.

Response to MADem (Reply #77)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
88. I won't watch them. They have nothing to do with the OP. Go peddle your gripes elsewhere.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:13 PM
Jan 2012

Your thread hijacking conduct is unacceptable.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
93. Thank you for the opportunity to draw attention to the videos and what DLC sHillary has done.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:17 PM
Jan 2012

That's why we say GOOD RIDDANCE TO HER.

Response to MADem (Reply #56)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
79. You are being rude, disruptive, hurtful and over-the-top--and I don't think I'm the only one
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jan 2012

noticing your poor behavior. Thread hijacking is just one way that people "make DU suck." You are doing one heck of a job at crapping on a good thread, but I suspect that was your tiny little goal.

Keep it up, pal (and that was sarcastic, in case you didn't quite take my meaning).

antigop

(12,778 posts)
82. I'm drawing attention to what she has done. I guess you can't stand the DLC being called out. n/t
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:53 PM
Jan 2012

MADem

(135,425 posts)
84. No you are not--you are deliberately, with malice, disrupting a thread about her retirement.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:56 PM
Jan 2012

You want to play "call out" games? Start your own thread, or be vilified as a disruptor.

The only thing you are calling attention to is your shitty, uncivil conduct.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
94. What part of "I will not watch your thread-disrupting videos, you rude person" is unclear to you? nt
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:18 PM
Jan 2012

antigop

(12,778 posts)
105. Nope...just expressing my opinion of GOOD RIDDANCE on her retirement. The VIDEOS explain why. n/t
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:30 PM
Jan 2012

Speed8098

(1,655 posts)
133. You lost your credibility
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:13 AM
Jan 2012

The moment you called her sHillary. He name is Hillary, or Madam Secretary, or Mrs. Clinton. You're free to dislike whomever you choose but expect to get flames when you act like a grade school kid by changing a name the way you did hers.

Intellectual people present a coherent argument, they don't act like children. Do you understand?

Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
104. I'm clever enough to figure out the damage the DLC has done. The videos demonstrate the damage. n/t
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:29 PM
Jan 2012
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
86. Where's the rule that everyone has to be happy smiley about a pol's retirement?
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:07 PM
Jan 2012

You have a right to your opinion and so does everybody else.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
128. This is a farewell thread? I thought it was in LBN
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jan 2012

Being in LBN, it would seem open to various opinions?

I haven't read anything here even half as rough as what I've said on the site any number of times about HRC. Since when is calling someone a DLCer beyond the pale?

I couldn't care less whether HRC goes or stays - whichever, whomever is in the position will be a good servant of the MIC, so what matter which face s/he wears?

That I personally will be just as happy to not have to see or hear her so often is incidental. Changing the face will not change the hypocritical stock-phrases about how the US is bringing "peace and freedom" around the world, or the pandering to our sacred "homeland" "security."

She's served our Masters well and they've rewarded her well. Maybe they'll give her the Nobel Peace too. I'm sure she'll be more than comfortable in her retirement. It won't matter a lick to the rest of us.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
131. So it's now disruptive to call someone a DLCer? Interesting ...
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:57 AM
Jan 2012

... since there must be at least a million instances of same in DU's history.

Response to antigop (Reply #38)

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
68. What a (((NASTY))) thing to say about a woman who has dedicated over half of her life in
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jan 2012

public service. Sometimes politics is the root of all evil.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
106. Why don't you let the door hit YOU in the ass?????
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:42 PM
Jan 2012

Hillary does more to help others in one week that you'll ever do in a lifetime. Ditto for Bill.

blue_onyx

(4,211 posts)
120. So...
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:43 AM
Jan 2012

Hillary is responsible for policies her husband enacted?

BTW, how do you feel about Obama? He signed into law 3 more "free trade" agreements last year.

TBF

(32,050 posts)
40. I wish her well - and look forward to Chelsea helping us
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jan 2012

Chelsea has a facebook account now and it is being updated with her activities (which are interesting). She has never decided to have a public face in this way before and I hope it means she is thinking about running for office.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. I hope she participates in public life but NEVER runs for office. EVER.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:50 PM
Jan 2012

I don't like the whole concept of political inheritance. I think she has sufficiently visibility to do good without jumping into the arena.

I hope she does whatever makes her happy, though, at the end of the day. She seems like a good kid--smart as all get out, thoughtful, quick, with good values and more compassion than most at her age and stage of life.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
47. I wasn't a great fan of Hillary untill, ... ...
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jan 2012

she became Sec. of State. she did that job very well. I hope she retires, keeps her hubby in line, then thinks about becoming a Supreme!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
48. After retirement Hillary wants to work on womens' rights globally
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 06:33 PM
Jan 2012

not sure if there is a link anywhere where she has said that publicly, but Bill Clinton did say it in a recent interview on TV.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
52. John Kerry or (fingers crossed!!) Susan Rice will hopefully step in
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jan 2012

I will miss Hillary though. Missteps and all, she is my girl.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. We don't want to take a Senior Senator out of the Senate!
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:52 PM
Jan 2012

Susan Rice, if we've the choice between the two!

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
69. Agreed! She's a poster girl for woman in general...what a super role model for women and girls.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:16 PM
Jan 2012

You go Hilary...but first...relax...have fun and enjoy life...then write another book and work with Bill's Global Initiative.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
132. ah yes - all my role models defend cluster bombs
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jan 2012

I mean, women and children have as much right to be blown to bits as men!

Liquorice

(2,066 posts)
60. The democratic party is fortunate to have her and so is America. Too
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:15 PM
Jan 2012

bad so many people have been ungrateful for her tireless service to our country and the world. She deserved to be treated much better, especially by her own party. I think most of it is sexism. We still have a long way to go in that regard in this country. I wish her all the best.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
62. She looks ill and she definitely looks like she just doesn't care. There's
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jan 2012

been talk on how she looks absolutely exhausted. Couple that with several members of Congress getting cancer treatment, one can't help but wonder if possibly she might be seriously ill? I'm not out to start a rumor just that there's been true concern in Ark., asking if she is okay.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
70. She's just plain exhauster! You'd be too if you traveled the world repeatedly for 3 years.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
Jan 2012

Look how tired we all claim to be after a trip...we blame it on jet lag. Why do you say she looks like she doesn't care? That's unfair!

Alcibiades

(5,061 posts)
119. She looked very tired
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:49 AM
Jan 2012

at the State of the Union Address. Nancy Pelosi looked much younger, though she's not, though she did look a little surprised.

I doubt she would be quitting her job if she had won the nomination for '08, though.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
127. The woman is in her mid sixties, and she doesn't have "hair and makeup" following her anymore.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jan 2012

She's doing that stuff herself, and if her college years are any indication, she's a hippie from way back when, so I'm guessing she doesn't place a Callista-like emphasis on that kind of crap.

We also now see her under the glare of very unkind television lights, on digital televisions. No more fuzzy softness of the analog signals. It's a cruel venue, no matter who you are.

She's also constantly on the go. She never catches a break.

She needs a vacation and a regular schedule where she wakes up and goes to sleep in the same time zone for a few weeks at a time. Then she'll look like a million bucks.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
137. When I found out there is no real bed and no shower on the SOS plane I was shocked.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:19 PM
Jan 2012

I am her age and if I had her job I would of required some upgrades.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
142. I agree--at least an air mattress in the back, or something!!!
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jan 2012

And no shower? That's flat out cruel. She should be able to "live aboard" if need be.

Remember when GWHB and Bill Clinton--fresh off of heart surgery--went to help with tsunami aid on one of the old planes that used to do duty as AF ONE? Poppy grabbed the one bed, so Bill, fresh scar and all, had to sleep on the floor. Now if it were me, even if I were the older guy, I'd give the bed to the guy who just got outta heart surgery....but I couldn't sleep if I knew that someone fresh off the operating table wasn't able to be comfortable.

I was astounded that the staff didn't fucking THINK, myself--that would be the first thing I would have done if I were managing a trip for a distinguished set of visitors--you make sure there's enough food, enough places to crap/toilet paper, places to sleep, and a medicine chest full of OTC meds for any/every malady. Even if they had to haul in a cot and bolt it to the floor, they should have configured the place so both presidents could lay down and sleep.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
67. That woman has got to be EXHAUSTED.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jan 2012

She's worked her ass off for the last 20 years, including her years in the WH. Love her or hate her, you gotta admit she's brilliant, energetic and formidable . . .

AnnieBW

(10,424 posts)
80. SecState has GOT to be tough
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jan 2012

Traveling everywhere, constantly jetlagged, having to smile and be diplomatic, plus running a major department! She's GOT to be tired.

Hillary, I thank you for your service to your country. You've done a great job.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
110. I will miss seeing her regularly,
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 10:53 PM
Jan 2012

but politics is in the Clintons' blood and Hillary has more stamina than people half her age.

There's this:

"I have made it clear that I will certainly stay on until the president nominates someone and that transition can occur" if Obama wins re-election, she told a town hall meeting. "But I think after 20 years, and it will be 20 years, of being on the high wire of American politics and all of the challenges that come with that, it would be probably a good idea to just find out how tired I am."

But, she appeared to leave the door open for a possible eventual return, adding to laughter from the crowd that "everyone always says that when they leave these jobs."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/26/hillary-clinton-stepping-down_n_1234221.html

So, here's hoping that after some time of much derserved rest she decides to run for president in 2016.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
124. I believe that she has done an excellent job as SOS -
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:17 AM
Jan 2012

she has done a credible job in rebuilding much of the goodwill lost during the 2001-2008 period.

Unfortunately, the Obama Administration inherited two unnecessary (one, at least, also illegal) wars in addition to the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s. It is still too heavy-handed in using military options/solutions, IMO. While I have not always been happy with the pace of withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, at least it is happening. What is sad is to see the devastation and instability that have been left behind after throwing trillions of $$$ badly needed in the US into the money pits, basically increasing the gap between wealthy and poor in those societies as well as our own and exacerbating their religious and ethnic differences, not to mention opening up more opium traffic from Afghanistan to the West. Those adverse consequences don't even include the hundreds of thousands of lives lost on all sides, as well as the millions whose lives have been adversely affected both here and abroad.

What continues to taint US foreign policy throughout much of the world, however, is the consistently festering - and, at times, explosive - I-P situation. So long as it exists as it does, there will never be stability anywhere in the ME, let alone peace. Frankly, so long as the USG continues to heed the most radically RW voices (both Jewish & Christian) in this matter, no fair resolution - or sadly even rational discussion of how best to proceed - will be allowed here.

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
134. This makes me so sad.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:32 PM
Jan 2012

It sounds like she really isn't going to run in 2016. I was really, REALLY! hoping she would.

tropicanarose

(240 posts)
138. I question the timing of this announcement. I love Hillary and hope to see her stay in politics ....
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jan 2012

I know that she has previously made a similar declaration earlier last year. I think it is odd that she would make this announcement right after the SOTU speech. I don't know how that looks for Obama. I don't think it was necessary for her to come out with such a strong message of NO given that she still has high approval ratings and it makes the Obama White House team not sound very cohesive (though I know that the SoS doesn't always stay on for a second term. I wonder if there is more to this......maybe it is wishful thinking on my part. In any event, she is an amazing human being--intelligent accomplished and inspiration to many--I still would like to see her run and WIN in 2016! =)

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
139. She was responding to a question.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jan 2012

She didn't call a press conference to announce her departure. Besides, she has been saying the same thing for months now.

As for her approval rating. She has been the most popular politician in the country for a long time now.

I too hope that she changes her mind and decides to run in 2016.

WildFire43

(12 posts)
141. I don't blame her - She's been great
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:57 PM
Jan 2012

I can't get over how tired she looked at the President's State of the Union address. She's worked so hard. No one could've done better and more and she deserves to enjoy what's left of her life and health instead of having it ruined by the cares and concerns of this corrupt government.

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