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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:42 PM Jan 2013

Opponents Play The Hitler Card On Gun Control, Supporters Say It’s Not Gonna Work This Time

Source: TPM



On Wednesday, the Drudge Report splashed an image of Hitler and Josef Stalin over a link to Vice President Biden’s contention that the White House may consider using its executive power if Congress proves unable to act.

Biden’s statement is old news, as is the suggestion from Drudge that President Obama is intending to act in the manner of histories most notorious dictators. Bumper stickers like this one have been kicking around the anti-gun control community since well before the “from my cold, dead hands” era.

The White House declined to comment on the Drudge image, or the general comparison to Hitler’s regime that have popped up in anti-gun control corners since Obama began his push for new legislation. Most politicians who have talked openly about gun control have had the Hitler quotes thrown at them, and there’s a lot of reporting suggesting the most oft-repeated of these Hitler quotes are not in fact Hitler quotes. As for the underlying theory, that gun control hastened Hitler to power and helped facilitate the Holocaust — and that there’s a lesson in that for America — Tablet’s Michael Moynihan took a long look at that question last month.

“America isn’t Nazi Germany, and it cheapens the experience of Holocaust victims to suggest otherwise,” he concluded. “By all means, let the debate on gun control roil, but for once, let’s leave Hitler out of it.”

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Opponents Play The Hitler Card On Gun Control, Supporters Say It’s Not Gonna Work This Time (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2013 OP
I guess they're not familiar with the "Hitler Rule." Thegonagle Jan 2013 #1
You are referring to a corollary of... Gore1FL Jan 2013 #17
That's the one! Thegonagle Jan 2013 #18
Anyone want to bet that AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #2
Yea, sleeping with his boy friend’ in the janitor’s closet. And he's homophobic to boot..N/T busterbrown Jan 2013 #5
Drudge is a fucking idiot. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #3
Comparisons of GWB to Hitler were rife, and rarely challenged. Flatulo Jan 2013 #4
Calling a spade a spade is perfectly fine adieu Jan 2013 #6
Sorry, but I believe that equating Bush (or Cheney) to Hitler does a disservice to the Flatulo Jan 2013 #8
Agree. Richardo Jan 2013 #13
Comparison made by well-respected, popular left-leaning blog...? LanternWaste Jan 2013 #14
The PukeBaggers ALWAYS resort to using "Nazi" and "Hitler", when they nothing else. SoapBox Jan 2013 #7
Odd, given the history of the "assault rifle" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #9
We on the left aren't entirely averse with the "... apologist" lable. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #11
wanna know what makes me think of nazis? armed guards in schools phantom power Jan 2013 #10
Matt Drudge is a hat. Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #12
Clearly gun drudges are going to be the first Luschnig Jan 2013 #15
The other one that hit my eyes a couple times this week already ... taxpayer2000 Jan 2013 #16
This is already a Facebook meme davidpdx Jan 2013 #19
Also, its a myth FarrenH Jan 2013 #20

Thegonagle

(806 posts)
1. I guess they're not familiar with the "Hitler Rule."
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jan 2013

First one to compare anybody or anything to Hitler automatically LOSES the argument. (Appeals for exceptions to the Hitler rule are generally unsuccessful.)

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
17. You are referring to a corollary of...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jan 2013

...Godwin's Law. Godwin's Law is actually this:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

The presumed hyperbole involved lessens the credibility of the person making the argument.

I am not sure what effect it has on people like Alex Jones who are already at zero.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
2. Anyone want to bet that
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jan 2013

Matt Drudge was the kind of kid that slept though History Class in high school? Raise your hands....

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
4. Comparisons of GWB to Hitler were rife, and rarely challenged.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jan 2013

Various posters here on DU would breathlessly announce that concentration camps were being built to confine the political opposition.

And now people are surprised that Freepers are saying the same kinds of things about President Obama?

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
6. Calling a spade a spade is perfectly fine
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jan 2013

When the shoe fits (or is thrown), wear it. GWB wasn't so much like Hitler. He was a pawn of the person who best embodied Hitler: Cheney. They made an excuse to get into a war, much like what Hitler did. They had secret domestic spying, much like what Hitler did. They demanded party loyalty over country, much like what Hitler and the Nazis required. They were arrogant and bombastic towards their allies and neighbors, much like Hitler and the Nazis. They were very much for the fascist form of economic system, much like Hitler's plans.

I give Hitler props for having way more mod styling uniforms.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
8. Sorry, but I believe that equating Bush (or Cheney) to Hitler does a disservice to the
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jan 2013

60 million people who died in WWII.

Richardo

(38,391 posts)
13. Agree.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jan 2013

It's total nonsense, and, as you said, an insult to all the people who were encamped, bombed, killed or wounded in the war.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Comparison made by well-respected, popular left-leaning blog...?
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jan 2013

"Comparisons of GWB to Hitler were rife, and rarely challenged..."

Comparison made by well-respected, popular left-leaning blogs read by mainstream DC beltway, or simply individuals posting on a board?

Seems to me to be a relevant and precise difference.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. The PukeBaggers ALWAYS resort to using "Nazi" and "Hitler", when they nothing else.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jan 2013

Over it...and we're ALL wise to it.

Shut the Fuck Up, Drudgery.

 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
9. Odd, given the history of the "assault rifle"
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jan 2013

Definition

The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", "storm" as in "military attack&quot . The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[3] as a new name for the Maschinenpistole 43,[nb 1] subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularise the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles.

The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[4][5][6]

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 (which the M16 rifle is based on) that share parts or design characteristics with assault rifles are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective fire capable. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.

The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.

The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
11. We on the left aren't entirely averse with the "... apologist" lable.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jan 2013

Problem is same as it becomes every time.

Way too much focus on the people involved and far too little on the actual issue(s). Batshit crazies on both sides get far too much attention.

 

Luschnig

(32 posts)
15. Clearly gun drudges are going to be the first
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jan 2013

prohibited to possess guns on account of mental illness. Paranoia coupled with their historical hallucinations are signs of psychopathology.

 

taxpayer2000

(17 posts)
16. The other one that hit my eyes a couple times this week already ...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:21 PM
Jan 2013

"I saw a movie once where only the police and military had weapons. It was called Schindler's List." The stupid hurts.

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