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alp227

(32,006 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:03 PM Jan 2012

Justice Dept. takes on itself in probe of 2001 anthrax attacks

Since it began a decade ago, the federal government’s massive investigation of the 2001 anthrax attacks has been plagued by missteps and complications.

Investigators initially focused on the wrong man, then had to pay him a nearly $6 million settlement. In 2008, they accused another man, Bruce E. Ivins, who killed himself before he could go to trial.

Now, in the latest twist, the government has argued against itself.

In documents deep in the files of a recently settled Florida lawsuit, Justice Department civil attorneys contradicted their own department’s conclusion that Ivins was unquestionably the anthrax killer. The lawyers said the type of anthrax in Ivins’s lab was “radically different” from the deadly anthrax. They cited several witnesses who said Ivins was innocent, and they suggested that a private laboratory in Ohio could have been involved in the attacks.

full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/justice-dept-takes-on-itself-in-probe-of-2001-anthrax-attacks/2012/01/05/gIQAhGLlVQ_singlePage.html

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Justice Dept. takes on itself in probe of 2001 anthrax attacks (Original Post) alp227 Jan 2012 OP
Mr Obama appears to have decided to take the gloves off with the BFEE. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #1
It looks more like the civil division was trying to minimize any pay out EFerrari Jan 2012 #15
I haven't followed that much, so I'll defer to you there. bemildred Jan 2012 #18
Well, imo, it's safer to point to all the evidence that says the stuff couldn't be produced EFerrari Jan 2012 #20
I'm OK with that. bemildred Jan 2012 #21
To be honest, if he did take this on, I would be frightened for him. EFerrari Jan 2012 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #2
fingers crossed. . . n/t annabanana Jan 2012 #3
good to see people aren't giving up on this issue renegade000 Jan 2012 #4
George W. Bush failed to protect America from terrorism after the 9/11 attacks jpak Jan 2012 #5
Why would Ivins send this to the Sun and the National Enquirer? JDPriestly Jan 2012 #6
Good point. Ivins didn't seem to love Bush. nt mistertrickster Jan 2012 #14
And why would someone as knowledgeable as Ivins EFerrari Jan 2012 #17
Where'd I put that popcorn? 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #7
So . . . what's going to happen? gratuitous Jan 2012 #8
Misleading to say suicide 'cause they were closing in on him bjobotts Jan 2012 #9
Yep. Not to mention subborning perjury EFerrari Jan 2012 #16
Battelle. The trail leads back to Battelle, and that leads straight to bushco. yardwork Jan 2012 #10
Hmm, Ohio, there's always dirty and toxic crap in Ohio Dont call me Shirley Jan 2012 #11
Ohio. patrice Jan 2012 #12
Just like "regulatory capture" we need to face the probability of "legal capture". nt patrice Jan 2012 #13
US Patent 6316000 6387665. Anthrax vaccine westerebus Jan 2012 #19
... Solly Mack Jan 2012 #22

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
15. It looks more like the civil division was trying to minimize any pay out
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jan 2012

to the victim's family by creating doubt that Ft. Detrick was involved.

"Byrne said Ivins didn’t have the technical skill to make the extremely fine powder and both said the Fort Detrick lab’s equipment could not have dried the anthrax so it could be turned into powder without contaminating parts of the facility."

Because no one will sue them and win for merely fingering the wrong person but the victim is still dead and that case will cost money.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. I haven't followed that much, so I'll defer to you there.
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jan 2012

It seems reasonable from my own experience. I assume that the parties to that would not want the subject re-opened now, but I admit I'm speculating.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
20. Well, imo, it's safer to point to all the evidence that says the stuff couldn't be produced
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:14 PM
Jan 2012

at Ft. Detrick and risk blowing up the case against Ivins because no one has the resources to blow it up to the point where it would be a problem for the FBI, let alone for Obama.

In following the story, it looked like every point the FBI tried to make was blown up so Mueller had to go with "the science nobody understands will vindicate us" and then, it didn't. And still, nobody did anything about it, including Leahy who had to chair that hearing.

The funny thing for me is that I have talked to Meryl Nass, Ivin's lawyer Kemp (briefly) and Mr. Byrne and Mr. Andrews and agree with them that it wasn't Ivins or Ft. Detrick. I still don't know any scientists that agree with Mueller that it was Ivins although I haven't been following very closely this year.



bemildred

(90,061 posts)
21. I'm OK with that.
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 07:02 PM
Jan 2012

My line of thought goes like this:

1.) This about WMD, "spooky" stuff, "national security" stuff.

2.) Hence there are no people who both know the score and want to inform us, certainly not without permission. They will be arrested.

3.) It seems clear that there has been a good deal of funny business surrounding the case, which indirectly supports #1 & #2. The government statements are awash in handwaving and specious arguments, you know like: "you're entitled to your own opinions, but if you are a reasonable person you have to agree with me." And yet they claim to have incontrovertible evidence Ivins did it, so where is it?

4.) So I assume I'm being lied to, without knowing how much, or what's being hidden, so I don't infer anything based on what's been said, e.g. I don't know who did it, but I would hazard a guess that it's neither of the two candidates the government has advanced.

5.) Mr. Ivins being a "suicide" does make him a convenient perp, dead guys don't argue.


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However, you're right, I don't see how this ties to Obama, or means he is doing anything about it, no such luck, so forget that, maybe I should thank your for making me read it carefully.
:sigh:

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
4. good to see people aren't giving up on this issue
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:48 PM
Jan 2012

acouple things i want to know:

1. why did the white house start taking antibiotics immediately after 9/11?
2. what was the alleged motivation of ivins to send to those particular targets? (this might be in the fbi report from 2010)
the targets were a bit curious...

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
6. Why would Ivins send this to the Sun and the National Enquirer?
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jan 2012

Robert Stevens (1938 - October 5, 2001) was a photo editor for the Florida based tabloid, Sun, employed by American Media Inc. He was the first fatality linked to the 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States. He died of pulmonary anthrax after inhaling anthrax spores from a letter that is believed to have arrived at the American Media offices in Boca Raton, Florida. He was 63 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stevens_%28photo_editor%29

Stevens, a photo editor for The Sun, is believed to have contracted the disease from a tainted letter sent to the Palm Beach County office building that also housed the National Enquirer and Globe.

A mailroom employee, Ernesto Blanco (case 7), also was infected with anthrax. He spent three weeks in the hospital and was once near death, his doctors said. But he recovered and still works at AMI's new building.

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/annstevensdeathanthrax.html

Was that question ever answered? Why those targets? Why were they the first?

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
17. And why would someone as knowledgeable as Ivins
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:41 PM
Jan 2012

think they could mail anthrax and only hit the addressee? That's ridiculous in its face.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. So . . . what's going to happen?
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jan 2012

I see these documents were unearthed from a settled civil case in Florida. Will this contradiction lead to anything? Or did the DOJ settle this civil case to avoid answering a bunch of unpleasant questions, and now that the case is all done, that's it, and we're not going to be lookin' backwards to the past, and yadda yadda yadda.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
9. Misleading to say suicide 'cause they were closing in on him
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:31 PM
Jan 2012

The real reason was because the FBI had CLOSED IVINS IN COMPLETELY! Harassing him at every turn. CAmped outside his house and office and following him closely just to harass. Ivins was innocent...had no motive...and this anthrax incident was sent to the only senators who stood to block the Patriot Act. What is not mentioned in this article is the FBI agent who burned down the lab (by accident) and then was given a medal for the investigation. This investigation was totally mishandled and caused more damage than aid.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
16. Yep. Not to mention subborning perjury
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:39 PM
Jan 2012

and lying to Congress.

Is Mueller's term still going to be extended? I lost track of that.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
10. Battelle. The trail leads back to Battelle, and that leads straight to bushco.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:56 PM
Jan 2012
And though the department’s criminal side had said all other suspects were ruled out, the civil lawyers said portions of RMR-1029 had been sent before the attacks to Battelle, the Ohio-based lab. They raised a possible scenario in which the attack anthrax could have come from the anthrax at that lab or other labs to which Battelle may have transferred the spores.

westerebus

(2,976 posts)
19. US Patent 6316000 6387665. Anthrax vaccine
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:41 PM
Jan 2012

Co inventor---Bruce Ivins

Emergent BioSolutions--- sole manufacturer of FDA licensed anthrax vaccine : Bio Thrax

In 2006 Joe Allbaugh joins board of directors Emergent BioSolutions

Prior history--

Allbaugh helped manage GW Bush presidential run along with K Rove and K Hughs.

He was later appointed head of FEMA pre 9-11.

FEMA rolled into Department Homeland Security post 9-11.

Allbaugh resigns 3-1-2003 the date the reorganisation is to take affect.

Joins former CIA-FBI chief William Webster at Diligence-Iraq a company providing security to companies doing bussiness in Iraq

Do the math...

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