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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:23 AM Jan 2013

American Incomes Rise By Most In Eight Years

Source: REUTERS

American incomes rose in December by the most in eight years, a positive sign for consumer spending that could help the economy sustain momentum early this year.

Personal income for Americans rose 2.6 percent last month, the Commerce Department said on Thursday. That was the biggest increase since December 2004 and well above analysts' expectations for a 0.8 percent gain.

Personal income rose in November and December, the Commerce Department said, because of special dividends and accelerated bonuses to beat increases in taxes this year.

The big rise in incomes suggests total consumer spending power entered the new year on stronger footing, even though much of the gains may not have been distributed evenly throughout the workforce.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/american-incomes-rise-most-eight-years-1B8192162

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American Incomes Rise By Most In Eight Years (Original Post) Purveyor Jan 2013 OP
how much of that is Wall Street bonuses Enrique Jan 2013 #1
I think most of it is 'special dividends' that companies gave to beat the tax increase. denverbill Jan 2013 #2
My thoughts exactly. dotymed Jan 2013 #6
Same here primavera Jan 2013 #11
Not mine. eom leveymg Jan 2013 #3
I did an 'eye roll' myself. eom Purveyor Jan 2013 #5
mine's declining Phlem Jan 2013 #16
" even though much of the gains may not have been distributed evenly throughout the workforce. " blueclown Jan 2013 #4
Here it is... dotymed Jan 2013 #7
The reality for most working people is that the expiration of the payroll tax coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #8
since my income was zero in 2004 magical thyme Jan 2013 #9
hmmm... dtom67 Jan 2013 #10
My company froze all pay last year and has Smilo Jan 2013 #12
Giving A Big Bonus To Those Already Making Over $250,000 DallasNE Jan 2013 #13
If 500 average income workers... cheapdate Jan 2013 #14
Oh yippee! Our local mid-michigan gas prices are spiking up to $3.79 a gallon as I type. Purveyor Jan 2013 #15
Yeah, I saw that in my travels to do errands yesterday. llmart Jan 2013 #17
If mine rose by 1 penny, which it didn't, montanto Jan 2013 #18
The big picture PATRICK Feb 2013 #19

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
2. I think most of it is 'special dividends' that companies gave to beat the tax increase.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jan 2013

Not quite the same as Wall Street bonuses, but going to mostly the same people.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
6. My thoughts exactly.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jan 2013

How was this "massive" 2.6% increase distributed? Does any of the "bottom" 50% feel any richer?
I have been an FDR Democrat all of my life, it sickens me when I look to recent history. While reagan was the impetus for corporatism, most of the "average people destroying legislation" has come from democrats. All of the "free trade acts" have been implemented by democrats. Destroying Glass-Steagal, etc.. "They" know that if an "r" ties to implement these (or destroy) these programs, we will fight them. So, "they" find a professed democrat and have them do their dirty work..
We still have a few Democrats (and one great Socialist Democrat), however TPTB (yes, we do have those) do not allow them to become Presidents.
Only we can change this. Of course most democrats say that by voting for a real Democrat, you are just helping to elect a repub.
Bullshit, if we ALL unite behind a real Democrat (or Socialist Democrat) he/she can make a huge difference (positive) for average americans. With him/her on the inside and us working for change from the outside, we can change what has become of this country and get (health care for all) the things that we have never had.

primavera

(5,191 posts)
11. Same here
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jan 2013

Government agencies love to tout averages, but the averages never tell you whether the increase benefited everyone or just the 1%. It's becoming a virtually meaningless statistic.

blueclown

(1,869 posts)
4. " even though much of the gains may not have been distributed evenly throughout the workforce. "
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jan 2013

In short, the 1% spent more money than usual at Tiffany's.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
7. Here it is...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:58 AM
Jan 2013
Personal income rose in November and December, the Commerce Department said, because of special dividends and accelerated bonuses to beat increases in taxes this year.

The big rise in incomes suggests total consumer spending power entered the new year on stronger footing, even though much of the gains may not have been distributed evenly throughout the workforce.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
8. The reality for most working people is that the expiration of the payroll tax
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jan 2013

holiday means their weekly take-home pay is REDUCED by 2%. So NBC is blowing hot air (or worse) when it suggests that this one-off big rise in incomes (mostly due to end-of-year bonuses and special stock dividends) will prop up consumer spending.

Oh wait. NBC is owned by GE, nation's 2nd largest defense contractor and proxy for the 1%.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. since my income was zero in 2004
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:24 PM
Jan 2013

technically it is true. Any income would be an increase over zero.

Also, I started a second part time job at the end of November, since the hospital where I work cut my hours. So again, I had a big increase with 3 days/week added income, albeit at only 2/3s my pay at the hospital.

My 2nd job also increased payroll by 1 person starting, again, at the end of November.

And then the lab gave its first raise in 5 years -- 2%. I expect to take home an extra $2/day there as a result! $2.40/day 2nd shift on weekends!

Of course, I'm still making less than when I first started at the hospital 18 months ago with 4 days/week (versus the 2 days I will work for the entire month of February).

And my income still is barely 25% of what I made before the ruinous reign of W.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
12. My company froze all pay last year and has
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jan 2013

no intention of removing the freeze.

Oh and the people who had to make that hard decision - bonuses, so for them I guess the report is true

But whoever put this report together really doesn't know his arse from his elbow

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
13. Giving A Big Bonus To Those Already Making Over $250,000
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jan 2013

A year will not translate into very much consumer spending so I disagree with the conclusion that this data "suggests total consumer spending" will be "on stronger footing", in spite of the counter point about the gains not being evenly distributed. A far better number for that would be median household income.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
14. If 500 average income workers...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jan 2013

see no rise in income, but one millionaire CEO gets a multimillion dollar bonus then, voila! "Personal income for Americans rose 2.6 percent last month."

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
15. Oh yippee! Our local mid-michigan gas prices are spiking up to $3.79 a gallon as I type.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:52 PM
Jan 2013

Was 3.20 two weeks ago.

llmart

(15,535 posts)
17. Yeah, I saw that in my travels to do errands yesterday.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jan 2013

Have you done your Michigan state taxes yet? Thanks to that a**hole Snyder, it looks to me like my state taxes went up and from what I've heard, next year the homestead exemption goes away.

I am always amazed that I even have to pay any taxes since I live on next to nothing. I get angry every time I think of how we have to pay taxes on Social Security!

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
19. The big picture
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:32 AM
Feb 2013

By the time you break it down and most people appropriately rejoice it mostly means we are back to losing less. The Postal Contract- which the GOP howled against ever happening after zero increases gave us the one per cent raise in that period- when also the seasonal overtime got a little better as it always does. That affects a lot of the work force, albeit a unionized one.

For all that we have the GOP golden guillotine over our necks(Democratic Party acquiescence to half the fake rationale) surer than Russian nukes in the Cold War. And cuts cuts cuts and ruinous austerity continue as a foretaste of future rapine and plunder by profiteers.

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