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Omaha Steve

(99,497 posts)
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:22 AM Mar 2013

Odds against him, Obama still betting on big deal

Source: AP-Excite

By JIM KUHNHENN

WASHINGTON (AP) - A fiscal deadline all but blown, President Barack Obama says he once again wants to seek a big fiscal deal that would raise taxes and trim billions from expensive and ever growing entitlement programs. But with automatic federal spending cuts ready to start taking their toll, the path toward that grand bargain Obama campaigned on last year has significantly narrowed.

The president has summoned the top bipartisan congressional leadership to the White House, a meeting designed to give all sides a chance to stake out their fiscal positions with a new threat of a government shutdown less than four weeks away. There were no expectations of a breakthrough.

But for Obama, Friday's session would be his first opportunity to spell out his 10-year, $1.5 trillion deficit reduction plan in a face-to-face meeting with congressional allies and adversaries.

His chances are squeezed by anti-tax conservatives, by liberals unwilling to cut into Medicare and Social Security, and by a Republican leadership that has dug in against any new revenue after ceding to Obama's demands two months ago for a higher tax rate for top income earners.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130301/DA4O6C302.html





In this Feb. 28, 2013, photo, House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio pauses while meeting with reporters during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, to answer questions about the impending automatic spending cuts that take effect March 1. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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Odds against him, Obama still betting on big deal (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2013 OP
Who does he have? In a polarized congress, not having liberals, or anti tax types leaves him with ? dkf Mar 2013 #1
This: MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #2
I guess that's why he can't get liberals either? They think he is being played? dkf Mar 2013 #3
liberals won't be a problem Enrique Mar 2013 #9
At least last time around they went and begged him not to give away SS and Medicare Doctor_J Mar 2013 #11
there aren't any liberals in Congress except maybe Bernie Sanders Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2013 #18
..."trim billions from expensive and ever growing entitlement programs." ??? bluethruandthru Mar 2013 #4
Defense does need a huge cut. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #6
Billions in fraud medicare Obama Admin. caught- can be reapplied to the legit system to cover cuts. Sunlei Mar 2013 #5
Another way to "cut" some fraud and waste from the military in the long term might be to make it so cstanleytech Mar 2013 #7
Great idea! bluethruandthru Mar 2013 #8
Make that anybody that serves in governement. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #13
That should depend heavily on what they did and their scope ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #16
That is over broad IMO ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #15
You could be right, maybe a tier system depending on rank but for imo officers and those involved cstanleytech Mar 2013 #19
The growing Entitlement programs John2 Mar 2013 #10
Wait, what? Doctor_J Mar 2013 #12
Entitlements aren't the same as benefits. Sunlei Mar 2013 #17
Boner's face make me hurl. joanbarnes Mar 2013 #14
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
1. Who does he have? In a polarized congress, not having liberals, or anti tax types leaves him with ?
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:25 AM
Mar 2013
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
3. I guess that's why he can't get liberals either? They think he is being played?
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:42 AM
Mar 2013

Neither party has a leader who can make their caucus budge.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
9. liberals won't be a problem
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:35 AM
Mar 2013

congressional dems have signed off on every deal Obama has made with the GOP. They would sign off on this one too.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
11. At least last time around they went and begged him not to give away SS and Medicare
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:41 PM
Mar 2013

This time they seem resigned to the fact.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,546 posts)
18. there aren't any liberals in Congress except maybe Bernie Sanders
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:11 PM
Mar 2013

and Al Franken. The rest are, and this is not meant in a perjorative sense, centrist Democrats.

bluethruandthru

(3,918 posts)
4. ..."trim billions from expensive and ever growing entitlement programs." ???
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:43 AM
Mar 2013

Which 'entitlement programs'? The defense budget?

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
6. Defense does need a huge cut.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:00 AM
Mar 2013

As for social programs like medicare I am willing to consider reforms as long as the services it provides remain the same or are improved for the majority of people who use them.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. Billions in fraud medicare Obama Admin. caught- can be reapplied to the legit system to cover cuts.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:57 AM
Mar 2013

The DOD can do the same thing with their massive funding. You want to make those cuts go away?

start looking for fraud and waste contractors, the 200 dollar toilet seat profiteers and the 20 dollar daily cupcake snacks for congress would be a great start.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
7. Another way to "cut" some fraud and waste from the military in the long term might be to make it so
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:03 AM
Mar 2013

if someone retires from the military they are forbidden to work for 10 years for any defense firm and or as a lobbiest for such and if they do they lose all their military benefits.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
16. That should depend heavily on what they did and their scope
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:06 PM
Mar 2013

SES, no problem. GS-9 Office manager should have more options.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
15. That is over broad IMO
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:05 PM
Mar 2013

I would consider limiting by rank...

When a E6 engine mech gets out, I would have no problem with him going to work in contractor maintenance etc.

I might have a problem with an O6 (or above) depending on what they did for their last few tours.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
19. You could be right, maybe a tier system depending on rank but for imo officers and those involved
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:23 PM
Mar 2013

in procurement and or the testing of equipment for purchase by the military should have such a limitation.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
10. The growing Entitlement programs
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 11:44 AM
Mar 2013

are programs that Americans paid into and are paying into. The opponents of them are the wealthy and Wallstreet. The Social Security Trust fund was raided by Congress and the President. Part of the National Debt is what they owe to Social Security. It is some twisted logic when you claim the spending problem is with Social Security when the Debt is owed to the very program you raided the funds from.

The funds need to be replaced because the the people you owe it too are ready to retire. For example, soon most of the baby boom generation is reaching the age to retire. Now Congress and the President want to change the rules because they raided the Trust fund for other expenditures. It is easy for them because most of the Congress is wealthy. The President's retirement pension is 200,000 dollars and comes with a lot of perks. That applies to any Congress person that served over five years also. I do not see Social Security or Medicare as an entuitlement but what you earned, for placing your part of your income into the system.

Now as a citizen, this may be minor, but I did not approve of my tax dollars going to opposition groups fighting to overthrow the Syrian Government. I'm sorry, but I don't see this defending my safety whatsoever. Thae same with Iraq or any other foreign adventure this Government justify. My impression is this benefits people in the Top percent, like oil companies if the information comming from the deposed Syrian Government is true. So they create the Bill by spending our tax dollars and blame us for overspending on things that help us. Then they try to make you feel guilty by claiming that you are putting debt on your kids. I doubt their kids will be indebted to anything. If they don't care about you, what makes people think they care about your kids?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. Wait, what?
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:43 PM
Mar 2013
President Barack Obama says he once again wants to seek a big fiscal deal that would raise taxes and trim billions from expensive and ever growing entitlement programs.


Did he really say this? And what party is he again?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. Entitlements aren't the same as benefits.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:16 PM
Mar 2013

President Obama has laid out plans and completed some of them this year with our benefits. Nov. 2012,...

""“I’m disappointed in where we are, and disappointed in what’s happened over the last couple weeks,” House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) told reporters. “And I would hope the White House would get serious as well.” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said he “burst out laughing” after seeing President Obama’s proposal and insisted that he should detail specific cuts to entitlements.

If Republicans want specifics, they know where to look. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner laid forth a detailed plan on Thursday containing proposals long held by the administration to both raise $1.6 trillion in additional revenue over the next 10 years and cut billions from Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs. On top of the $716 billion in savings included in the Affordable Care Act, in February, the administration detailed an estimated $360 billion in reductions by cutting back excessive provider reimbursements, securing more favorable drug rebates, and eliminating waste, redundancies, and inefficiencies. Obama has repeatedly claimed that those reductions are now on the table. Here is the detailed breakdown of that plan:....the administration’s proposed cuts are designed to weed out inefficiencies within the health care system without impacting beneficiaries... link """

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/11/30/1263231/the-details-of-obamas-entitlement-cuts-in-one-chart/

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