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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:28 AM Mar 2013

John Kerry Concedes Iran Is Moving Closer to Possessing Nuclear Weapon

Source: ABC News

At the end of his first overseas trip as Secretary of State, John Kerry acknowledged that despite the continued diplomacy and tough sanctions being leveled against Iran, the regime continues to get closer to possessing a nuclear weapon.

"Lines have been drawn before and they've been passed," Kerry said. "That's why the president has been so definitive this time. This is a very challenging moment with great risks and stakes for everybody because the region will be far less stable and far more threatened if Iran were to have a nuclear weapon."

Kerry sat down with ABC News' Martha Raddatz in Qatar as his first overseas trip as President Obama's secretary of state wound down.

Kerry said the threat extends beyond the possibility that Iran could actually use the weapon on its enemies, specifically Israel. Iran simply having a nuclear weapon would "spur a nuclear arms race" in the region and could be used to support terrorists groups like Hezbollah, he said.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Politics/john-kerry-concedes-iran-moving-closer-possessing-nuclear/story?id=18655927

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John Kerry Concedes Iran Is Moving Closer to Possessing Nuclear Weapon (Original Post) bananas Mar 2013 OP
Plez dont try to tell us they have plastic pipes and that proves they are building nuclear arms. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #1
Apparantly, the headline is bogus FrodosPet Mar 2013 #9
Looks to me like he's affirming Raddatz's assertion. Adsos Letter Mar 2013 #22
Of course not... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #12
Don't forget the Yellow Cake! Javaman Mar 2013 #25
BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!!! tblue Mar 2013 #28
Weapons of... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #34
Kerry is an honest guy, I believe his assessment. I just hope the intelligence TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #2
The intelligence was reliable last time around Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #6
Some of it was manufactured--the whole "Curveball" thing, supposed sightings TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #7
Actually the intelligence was not reliable last time jzodda Mar 2013 #11
Really? And what do you think Israel and the us would do if that happened? The same thing Iran still_one Mar 2013 #3
I get a little queasy Scootaloo Mar 2013 #4
Also we have attacked 2 countries roxy1234 Mar 2013 #5
We don't attack countries with real nukes tblue Mar 2013 #29
Well, to *us* here in America The Green Manalishi Mar 2013 #8
They're going to get their war by hook or by crook. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #10
Sadly, I think you are right. nt snappyturtle Mar 2013 #13
Number of wars started by Iran? Ash_F Mar 2013 #14
Not to be a buzz kill, but the first nation in the region to build nukes was Israel. nt Selatius Mar 2013 #15
Our government is out of control. Or being controlled by corporations. Gregorian Mar 2013 #16
here we go again.... Marrah_G Mar 2013 #17
BEWARE!! ABC's headline is BULLSHIT and doesn't reflect what Kerry actually said. blm Mar 2013 #18
RADDATZ: Iran gets closer and closer to a nuclear weapon. KERRY: You're absolutely correct. bananas Mar 2013 #19
Correct that 'we've been hopeful year after year', but, when attached to his ENTIRE statement blm Mar 2013 #21
I am confused (big surprise there, eh?) FrodosPet Mar 2013 #31
I think you've taken the correct reading. Adsos Letter Mar 2013 #23
Because of the entirety of Kerry's remarks comport with his longstanding caution in blm Mar 2013 #27
I wonder what his first clue was slackmaster Mar 2013 #20
Great, they too can aspire to be North Korea. Beacool Mar 2013 #24
20 years of "Iran on brink of nuclear weapons" delrem Mar 2013 #26
Oh puhleeze, John Carolina Mar 2013 #30
You prefer to believe ABC's overthetop headline. blm Mar 2013 #32
doesn't matter Carolina Mar 2013 #36
I agree with you John2 Mar 2013 #37
Right on roxy1234 Mar 2013 #33
Welcome to DU Carolina Mar 2013 #35

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
9. Apparantly, the headline is bogus
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:47 AM
Mar 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022462636#post2

Per another poster:

The ABC headline is bogus: "John Kerry Concedes Iran Is Moving Closer to Possessing Nuclear Weapon"

There is nothing in the report that indicates Kerry makes that claim.

------------------------------------------------

Personally, I thought he had, but it is all about context.

RADDATZ: It seems we've been hopeful year after year after year and yet Iran gets closer and closer to a nuclear weapon.

KERRY: You're absolutely correct. That's why lines have been drawn before and they've been passed. That's why the president has been so definitive this time. This is a very challenging moment with great risks and stakes for everybody because the region will be far less stable and far more threatened if Iran were to have a nuclear weapon.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
22. Looks to me like he's affirming Raddatz's assertion.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:58 AM
Mar 2013

Hard to read it any other way, especially as you have highlighted it.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. Kerry is an honest guy, I believe his assessment. I just hope the intelligence
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:42 AM
Mar 2013

is reliable this time around.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
6. The intelligence was reliable last time around
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:07 AM
Mar 2013

The Bush Administration chose to lie about it because they were hell bent on starting a war against Iraq.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. Some of it was manufactured--the whole "Curveball" thing, supposed sightings
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:12 AM
Mar 2013

of one of the 9/11 terrorists having dealings with Iraq in Prague or somewhere.

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
11. Actually the intelligence was not reliable last time
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:58 AM
Mar 2013

The uranium tubes, the stories from the exiles, the yellow cake, the German exile (curveball), the reports from weapons inspectors, the meeting with Al Qaeda in Europe, the mobile poison gas trucks. It all turned out to be one massive lie. The book Hubris is a great book- it lays it all out and doesn't have a boring page. The recent Maddow documentary is based on that great book.

I trust this administration to not cook the books as it were and I hope that in the end Iran chooses to not get Nukes.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
3. Really? And what do you think Israel and the us would do if that happened? The same thing Iran
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:45 AM
Mar 2013

Would do if Israel attacked it first

That is why the idiots who have been pushing this bullshit should pull their head out of their asses

It is not in the interest of Israel or Iran to attack each other

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. I get a little queasy
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:01 AM
Mar 2013

Just to be straight.

We're the ones that overthrew the Iranian Democracy in '52.
We're the ones that equipped and outfitted and trained the Shah, one of the region's bloodiest and most brutal dictators.
We supplied Saddam Hussein with chemical and nerve agents specifically so he could use them against Iranian civilians.
We declared them "evil" just before completely destroying their neighbor (who we also called "evil&quot
We're now utilizing crippling economic sanctions on Iran based on nothing more than a "trust us" from Israel.

And then of course we scratch our heads and wonder why we're not popular, or why they might want big weapons. Never do we consider that it's our policy that is deranged.

And there's an irony in worrying about terrorists in the same breath that you say you're going to help train and supply terrorists somewhere else.

 

roxy1234

(117 posts)
5. Also we have attacked 2 countries
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:05 AM
Mar 2013

After sanctions and inspection campaigns. If Iran knows whats best for them, they better work on the nuclear weapons program asap before its too late

tblue

(16,350 posts)
29. We don't attack countries with real nukes
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:08 PM
Mar 2013

Only those with imaginary nukes. It would be hard to blame any country for wanting to arm itself when the US is running around threatening and attacking unarmed nations.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
8. Well, to *us* here in America
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:12 AM
Mar 2013

The overthrow of Mohammad Mossadegh was. like 60 years ago and why should anyone care about it now? I mean, dude, 60 years is like forever, right' (the preceding being pretty much what I get when trying to explain why NO ONE trusts us over there, for damn good reason).

The "Why do they hate us" morons never did and still do not realize that in the Middle East they have long memories, and we've done very nasty stuff in VERY recent memory by the standards of the region (and most of the rest of the world that does not believe America is the center of the world). Interestingly, the Muslim Brotherhood was, if not our creation, our stepchild used by both Truman and Ike as an anti-communist tool, but I defy anyone to get that through to a tea bagger.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
10. They're going to get their war by hook or by crook.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:54 AM
Mar 2013

I'm becoming more convinced that there is no hope at all.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
16. Our government is out of control. Or being controlled by corporations.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:27 AM
Mar 2013

But it certainly isn't being controlled by the people. I sure don't want military meddling. That's what caused 9/11.

blm

(113,016 posts)
18. BEWARE!! ABC's headline is BULLSHIT and doesn't reflect what Kerry actually said.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:21 AM
Mar 2013

It's more like ABC wrote the headline they wanted to see given Kerry's long known patience with Iran. "Concedes" fer chrissakes - what BS!!

ProSense addressed this yesterday:


The ABC headline is bogus: "John Kerry Concedes Iran Is Moving Closer to Possessing Nuclear Weapon"

There is nothing in the report that indicates Kerry makes that claim.

Secretary of State John Kerry Interview With Martha Raddatz from Doha Transcript
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/secretary-state-john-kerry-interview-martha-raddatz-doha/story

RADDATZ: Secretary Kerry, let's start with Iran. You have said they do not have an infinite amount of time for negotiations. The Israelis have said they're moving closer to the red line. Do you agree with the Israelis?

KERRY: Well, I'm not getting into red lines and timing publicly except to reiterate what the president has said again and again. Which is he prefers to have a diplomatic solution. He would like to see the P1+5 process and negotiation process be able to work and avoid any consideration of any kind of military action.

Kerry goes on to say specifically that he's not getting into time frames and that there is time for negotiation.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
19. RADDATZ: Iran gets closer and closer to a nuclear weapon. KERRY: You're absolutely correct.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:46 AM
Mar 2013
RADDATZ: It seems we've been hopeful year after year after year and yet Iran gets closer and closer to a nuclear weapon.

KERRY: You're absolutely correct.
That's why lines have been drawn before and they've been passed. That's why the president has been so definitive this time. This is a very challenging moment with great risks and stakes for everybody because the region will be far less stable and far more threatened if Iran were to have a nuclear weapon.

blm

(113,016 posts)
21. Correct that 'we've been hopeful year after year', but, when attached to his ENTIRE statement
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:52 AM
Mar 2013

ABC is definitely CHOOSING to use an inflammatory headline instead of the one that reflects the actual caution and deliberation of his entire remarks.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
31. I am confused (big surprise there, eh?)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:55 PM
Mar 2013

Sec. Of State Kerry is saying Iran is NOT moving closer to nuclear weapons? That we are hopeful that they are not doing what they are not doing?

Perhaps they should have used a more encompassing headline about the whole process, and the idea that we will pursue diplomatic solutions. But I see nothing factually incorrect about the headline. If he is NOT conceding that Iran is pursing nuclear weapons, then there is no need for the rest.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
23. I think you've taken the correct reading.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 11:07 AM
Mar 2013

Why would we be "hopeful" because "lines have been drawn in the sand year after year?"

Seems like the most obvious interpretation should apply.

blm

(113,016 posts)
27. Because of the entirety of Kerry's remarks comport with his longstanding caution in
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:00 PM
Mar 2013

going after Iran for their nuclear programs. His long known patience with Iran is why ABC was overzealous in putting the word CONCEDES in their headline.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
26. 20 years of "Iran on brink of nuclear weapons"
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 11:55 AM
Mar 2013

20 long years of US/Israeli fear-mongering and threats.
If it were true, Iran would've had them by now. There'd at least be hard evidence.
Meanwhile, Israel, India, and Pakistan have them and haven't signed the NPT, unlike Iran. If that doesn't show that the never ending demonization of Iran over empty allegations is a political game, what will?

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
30. Oh puhleeze, John
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:27 PM
Mar 2013

You already have blood on your hands with your cowardly 2002 IWR vote.

We will not be fooled again. Iran learned from what happened to "no weapons there" Iraq: the best defense is a strong offense.

Ya don't see the US saber rattling against nations that actually have the bomb like N. Korea! The US the real bully, picking on the defenseless and going along with Israel -- one of the main causes of US problems in the ME.

Just what we need another endless, bankrupting, life destroying war!

Despite your initials, you are no JFK

blm

(113,016 posts)
32. You prefer to believe ABC's overthetop headline.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:03 PM
Mar 2013

Anyone familiar with Kerry's Iran views over the last ten years can see the headline does not comport with the entirety of his remarks to Raddatz.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
36. doesn't matter
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:32 PM
Mar 2013

My comments stand:

You already have blood on your hands with your cowardly 2002 IWR vote.

We will not be fooled again. Iran learned from what happened to "no weapons there" Iraq: the best defense is a strong offense.

Ya don't see the US saber rattling against nations that actually have the bomb like N. Korea! The US the real bully, picking on the defenseless and going along with Israel -- one of the main causes of US problems in the ME.

Just what we need another endless, bankrupting, life destroying war!

Despite your initials, you are no JFK


And they are true. Kerry's 2002 vote showed a complete lack of moral courage (for which he was constantly defensive during the 2004 campaign) and he is no JFK who stood up to the MIC!

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
37. I agree with you
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:31 PM
Mar 2013

and don't idolize any human being. John Kerry is not a saint. The region is already unstable based on the Policies of Western Countries and Colonialism. If the U.S. Ally, Israel has nuclear weapons already, then nuclear weapons has already been introduced in the Middle East. And if they do, guess where they obtained that capability from. So to pretend the U.S. hands and the West are clean is phony. And the choice was not made by the people but by those Governments and their politicians. American politicians lie to their constituents too much. We even go so far as to wonder who they are really representing.

The bottomline with me as an American, is if you are going to prevent one country from obtaining these weapons, then you ought to be consistant across the Board. The notion that any country needs nuclear weapons for national security while others do not is conflicting and can be seen as discriminatory. The claim is that extremists doesnot have to potential to get control of these weapons in the United States or Israel is bias. The mere fact that our Government refuses to abide by all international Law and even seeks the same for her Ally in Israel points out this attitude. Torture is against the Geneva Conventions. Why want the United States declare a nuclear free zone in the Middle East and apply the same aggressive p-ressure to Israel? They have no moral ground to stand on in preventing Iran to get nuclear weapons to defend themselves against her enemies. Would you trust the West after what they did in the region? The U.N. Ambassador and his allies would probably abruptly walk out of the room on me, instead of having a civilized debate. He would rather go to War. That is exactly what Congress did with Iraq, including John Kerry. He regretted it which gave the appearance of political expediance in his run for the white house. Lindsey Graham and John McCain definately support him.

 

roxy1234

(117 posts)
33. Right on
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:07 PM
Mar 2013

This time we will not be fooled. More like even more people will see through their lies and deceptions for war

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