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TexasTowelie

(111,938 posts)
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:24 PM Mar 2013

Thousands of Greeks protest planned gold mine

Source: AP

THESSALONIKI, Greece (AP) — More than 10,000 people have taken to the streets of Greece's second largest city to protest a planned gold mine they see as an environmental risk.

Police blocked the crowd's march to the Canadian Consulate in Thessaloniki, but Saturday's protest took place and ended peacefully. Eldorado Gold Corp., based in Vancouver, Canada, has been granted the rights to the gold mine in Halkidiki peninsula, east of Thessaloniki.

The company has established a camp employing 1,200 people and plans to begin digging soon.

The issue has bitterly divided Halkidiki residents, with some claiming the mine will harm tourism and release toxic substances, and others denying that and saying new jobs are crucial during Greece's severe economic crisis.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/article/Thousands-of-Greeks-protest-planned-gold-mine-4341709.php



The extraction of wealth from Greece continues.
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Thousands of Greeks protest planned gold mine (Original Post) TexasTowelie Mar 2013 OP
errr... what? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #1
I was referring to the extraction of wealth TexasTowelie Mar 2013 #3
Privatization of the Greek commons reteachinwi Mar 2013 #4
I don't see that licencing the mining rights dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #2
Come down here and let me take you on a tour Catherina Mar 2013 #7
I sympathise dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #10
These criminals have no regard for health and safety laws anywhere Catherina Mar 2013 #13
The Canadian mining companies are vicious arikara Mar 2013 #18
Thanks Arikara Catherina Mar 2013 #20
The concern is, I would think, over the pollution problems dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #8
*Austerity" is creating more Third World peoples to exploit Catherina Mar 2013 #11
Waiting for people in this country to realize we are NOT immune dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #15
Me too. Catherina Mar 2013 #17
Todd Hoffman strikes again itsrobert Mar 2013 #5
The Grifters strike again bahrbearian Mar 2013 #16
Good. The Canadian Mining companies are international criminals Catherina Mar 2013 #6
More: Catherina Mar 2013 #9
Testimony of Rosa Elbira: Gang-rapes at a Canadian-owned mine Catherina Mar 2013 #12
It would be very interesting John2 Mar 2013 #14
Shouldn't everyone have a pretty good feel at this point for how to mine gold in an environmentally Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #19
Why don't you educate yourself on this point? Use Internet. JackRiddler Mar 2013 #21
Some facts I recently dug up about gold mining... JackRiddler Mar 2013 #22
test kick JackRiddler May 2013 #23

TexasTowelie

(111,938 posts)
3. I was referring to the extraction of wealth
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:01 PM
Mar 2013

over the Greek people from international financial companies.

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
4. Privatization of the Greek commons
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:26 PM
Mar 2013

to pay European banksters.

Greece (whose lack of privatization efforts have angered Mother Merkel, who is now demanding more Greek assets be sold to "willing buyers&quot

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-18/imf-sees-greek-funding-gap-€95-billion-2014

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. I don't see that licencing the mining rights
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:50 PM
Mar 2013

as has been done before in that area deprives Greece of anything.

For the benefit of anyone who's never been to Halkidiki its largely tourists and an Greek Orthodox religious order on one of the fingers. I'd have thought the 1200 jobs were more important to the local communities.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
7. Come down here and let me take you on a tour
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:11 PM
Mar 2013

of how these companies run roughshod over human rights, the environment and people's health.

There's plenty of gold in Canada, let them mine there and deal with the rage of their own citizens as they destroy their health and the environment.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. I sympathise
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:31 PM
Mar 2013

but where you are may not be generally subject to the health & & safety laws which prevail in the EU.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
13. These criminals have no regard for health and safety laws anywhere
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:49 PM
Mar 2013

There are laws down here, such as that you can't dump dangerous chemicals in the water but the mining companies do it everyday. They're an international law unto themselves (The law of the Mighty).

Look what BP did right here in the USA. What Exxon does in Nigeria.

Greece has so many areas that are in such pristine shape that people regularly live to be over 100. Letting these criminals operate there would be a disaster. Money is God to those corporations. Have you seen the film Erin Brokervich? It's about what a good old American company did to our own citizens and the only thing extraordinary about that case is that they were finally apprehended but only after hundreds, thousands maybe (I don't recall) became ill and died over the years. They come in, poison your land, poison your children and then deny any responsibility. They do that everywhere they go. And by the time you might be able to get them thrown out, it's impossible to undo the damage. They shouldn't be allowed a foothold anywhere except their own countries where their own citizens can take care of them.

I have no sympathy

arikara

(5,562 posts)
18. The Canadian mining companies are vicious
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 08:38 PM
Mar 2013

A blight to the world, supported by the chairman Harper and a shame to the rest of the country. As a Canadian, i apologize for them.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
20. Thanks Arikara
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
Mar 2013

It's a crying shame what our national corporations do in our names overseas. Canada, US, France, Germany... how do we get these jerks to stay home and quit exploiting other people?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. The concern is, I would think, over the pollution problems
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:21 PM
Mar 2013

by foreign owners.
One example being BP's trashing of the Gulf of Mexico and of Louisiana's coast.

If Greece wanted to mine its own gold, it would at least keep the income in Greece and be somewhat more responsive to any environmental issues.
But foreign companies come in, grab the wealth and leave behind contamination.
Sadly, the USA has way too long of a past doing that in So. American, for one example.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
17. Me too.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 05:56 PM
Mar 2013

Reduced wages. Pension (social security) cuts. "Entitlement" cuts.

I wonder when people are going to see the obvious that it already started here.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
6. Good. The Canadian Mining companies are international criminals
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:07 PM
Mar 2013

They have a total disregard for the local environment, people's land rights, their health and country's rights.

In Guatemala, after thousands of illegal acts by these thieves, and so many court cases that never went anywhere because they tie the poor up in expensive litigation, buy of the local judges and if that doesn't work, they take it to international courts that were set up to protect the interests of transnational corporations.

They've hired murderers down here to toss people off their lands, poisoned the waters causing the death of fields and livestock.

But Mayans are stubborn. A few of them realized they'd get no justice in Guatemala and finally got the Canadian courts to hear their case.

A small group of Guatemalans from remote villages has made a long trek to Toronto in search of justice. Five of them are suing a Canadian mining company.

They all claim Hudbay Minerals is liable for violence that left one man dead, another in a wheelchair and a group of women victims of gang rapes.

...

After traveling for two days from their tiny villages, four Guatemalan women and one man arrived this week in Toronto. Their sandals suggested they were not prepared to face Toronto’s subzero temperatures.

...

Rosa Elbira slumped in her chair, choking back tears as she recounted the day in 2007 when she said she was repeatedly raped by nine men. Among them, she claimed, were police, soldiers and security officers for a mining company. Beside her, holding her hand in support, sat 23-year-old German Chub Choc.

...
http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/guatemala-mining-hudbay/



I could tell you stories about what these Canadian Mining companies are doing here that would make you weep. Sock it to them Greeks. Sock it to them!

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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
9. More:
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:26 PM
Mar 2013
"This will be the first time, as far as I know, that individuals harmed by Canadian mining projects in other countries will have travelled to Canada to provide evidence for use in Canadian courts," according to Grahame Russell of Rights Action, a solidarity organization involved in supporting community members resisting nickel mining in the El Estor region. "The questioning, under oath, will take place out of court and may be used in court."

Toronto’s Klippensteins, Barristers & Solicitors, is representing the plaintiffs, whose claims against the Guatemala operations of Toronto-based Hudbay Minerals are serious.

...

“The brutal and arbitrary shooting of Adolfo Ich was caused by the negligent management of Hudbay Minerals both in Canada and in Guatemala,” reads the Statement of Claim filed by Angelica Choc in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice. Ich and Choc had five children. Their son José, who witnessed the killing, says the security guards hacked at Adolfo with a machete before shooting him in the head.

Angelica Choc is confident that her case is solid. “We know very well who those responsible are, they can’t tell us otherwise,” she said. “We lived it, we’re the ones who have suffered, here, in the flesh.”

...

http://mostlywater.org/canadian_mining_trial_guatemalan_delegation_traveling_canada_challenge_corporate_impunity




Uploaded on Jan 17, 2007
From Rights Action (http://www.rightsaction.org/video/ele... On January 8th and 9th 2007, hundreds of police and soldiers in Guatemala forcibly evicted the inhabitants of several communities who were living on lands that a Guatemalan military government had granted to Canadian mining company INCO in 1965. Local indigenous people claim the land to be theirs, and resent the exploitation of a foreign corporation. Canada's Skye Resources now lays claim to the land, and paid workers a nominal sum to destroy people's homes. With the force of the army and police, company workers took chainsaws and torches to people's homes, while women and children stood by. Skye Resources claims that they maintained "a peaceful atmosphere during this action."




Statement published on Mining Watch Canada, Thursday, February 28, 2013

Resistance when land and life are in peril: Guatemalan human rights defender speaks in Canada

Lolita Chávez says it is love of life that motivates her to risk her own as an outspoken Maya K'iche' activist against racism, mining, and hydroelectric project developments in the highlands of Guatemala. As a result of her leadership in Guatemala's Indigenous movement, she is a frequent target of threats, accusations and attempts to label her as working against the national interest, as some sort of enemy of the state.

In Guatemala, as in many other parts of Latin America today, Lolita's story is all too common. Indigenous people, farmers, environmentalists and journalists who speak out against mining projects and policies are paying a steep price.

As Ottawa-based organizations with working relationships across the Americas, we observe that such activists are increasingly targets of smear campaigns aimed at slandering them as delinquents, saboteurs or terrorists. They are also frequently subject to unfounded accusations and dilated legal processes, from which they are often released without charge, but nonetheless made to endure months, even years of burdensome stress.

In the worst cases, they are targets of further violence and even assassination. Recent reports from Peace Brigades International, Amnesty International, the Inter American Commission on Human Rights and the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights defenders support this perception.

At the root of various cases, in Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Ecuador and Peru, we see aggressive industry and state promotion of the interests of Canadian mining companies.

In Guatemala, Goldcorp played a direct role in accusations against eight women living near its Marlin mine in the department of San Marcos. One of the women cut the power supply to the mine because of her frustration over the electrical post having been erected on her property without adequate information and after her complaints were repeatedly ignored. For four years, these rural, indigenous women lived with warrants out for their arrest. As Goldcorp grew to become one of the largest gold producers in the world, with the Marlin mine as one of its top profit makers, these women lived in turmoil until a Guatemalan women's movement successfully fought to have the charges dropped in 2012.

During the past year, we have also observed attempts to criminalize activists trying to hold a consultation process about Tahoe Resources' proposed silver mine in the municipality of San Rafael Las Flores, south of Guatemala City. Tahoe Resources is a company closely related to Goldcorp. Now, instead of one municipal-wide consultation, local activists are undertaking twenty-six community-level plebiscites over the mine. This is a creative response to a difficult situation, but requires a much greater expenditure of energy and resources.

It is precisely this, the process of isolating, wearing down and requiring inordinate outlay of time, energy, money and legal supports from activists and their allies that is central to the strategy of stigmatization and criminalization of dissent. It affects the individuals involved, has serious ramifications for their families and friends, and raises the stakes for others who might otherwise support their cause. This is also true when international solidarity organizations start to get named in smear campaigns that accuse them of manipulating social and environmental justice movements. We have seen this happening in Guatemala, in Canada and in other countries.

This time last year, Canadian authorities began blaming U.S. charitable foundations for manipulating indigenous and environmental organizations opposed to the Northern Gateway Pipeline. This is just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to increased surveillance of such organizations by CSIS and the RCMP. At the same time we see efforts by Canadian authorities to paint activities to protect community wellbeing, fight for climate justice, and preserve water supplies as being contrary to Canadian values and against the national interest. It’s a slippery slope and one we're worried about.

Seeing this trend taking place in Canada and in Guatemala, we look forward to Lolita's visit to Ottawa next week as an opportunity to discuss the criminalization of peaceful dissent in defence of land and life.

Lolita has frequently heard family members and neighbours tell her to be quiet because they fear reprisals. But neither this, nor demonization from local authorities and businesspeople, has curbed her activism or her resolve. On the contrary, she has made a conscious decision to continue to defend her people's right to dignity and a healthy environment. In the process of building solidarity with Guatemala, we look forward to taking courage and inspiration from her struggle.

We are proud to be among the organizers and sponsors of 'Defending Dissent When Life and Land are in Peril,' a performance and panel discussion on Tuesday March 5, from 7-9 pm at the Arts Court Theatre, 2 Daly St Ottawa.

The Americas Policy Group of the Canadian Council for International Cooperation
The International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group
MiningWatch Canada
Peace Brigades International – Canada
Projet Accompagnement Québec-Guatemala

http://www.miningwatch.ca/blog/resistance-when-land-and-life-are-peril-guatemalan-human-rights-defender-speaks-canada

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
12. Testimony of Rosa Elbira: Gang-rapes at a Canadian-owned mine
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:42 PM
Mar 2013
Testimony of Rosa Elbira: Gang-rapes at a Canadian-owned mine in Guatemala



Rosa Elbira and 10 other Mayan women were gang raped by security personnel at a mine in Guatemala during a violent eviction requested by Canadian mining company HMI Nickel (now owned by Canadian company HudBay Minerals). Rosa tells their story.

Rosa and her fellow survivors have started a lawsuit in Canada against HudBay Minerals and its Canadian subsidiary HMI Nickel to seek reparations for the harms suffered by them.


These are ruthless thugs that need to be put out of business. Canada can't pretend to be remorseful about what it did to the Native American Indians while it's doing to same thing to other people all over the world.
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
14. It would be very interesting
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 04:50 PM
Mar 2013

to find out the names of share holders on some of these companies whether they are Canadian, American, English or whatever. I was very surprised at the amount of wealth our U.N. Ambassador ( Susan Rice) obtained over her career as a diplomat. She also married her spouse who is a Canadian. I also understand investment firms like Goldman Sachs and Banks like J.P. Morgan had some ties to the downfall of the Greek economy. The notion I get is the Greek Government borrowed a lot of money from Foreign investors they could not pay back, similar to the Bain way of doing business. It gives the impression Greece's economic fate is controlled by Foreign investors. This also gives me the impression, they are trying to do the same thing to the United States. Who does our Government work for, the people or corporate interests controled by a few individuals or families?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. Shouldn't everyone have a pretty good feel at this point for how to mine gold in an environmentally
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:11 PM
Mar 2013

friendly manner? I mean, it's not like gold mining is a scary new technology.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
21. Why don't you educate yourself on this point? Use Internet.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:59 PM
Mar 2013

There is no "environmentally friendly manner" to extract a few tons of gold out of millions of tons of material, nor one that is particularly safe to the (usually highly exploited) labor.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
22. Some facts I recently dug up about gold mining...
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:31 PM
Mar 2013

Enormous amounts of earth must be mined to produce a vanishingly small quantity of gold. Here's the data from one viable mine belonging to GFI - Gold Fields International, South African company - at the Tarkwa mine in Ghana.

See http://www.goldfields.co.za/ops_int_tarkwa.php

The data GFI presents on the table at that page shows that in 2011, 117,156 kt of earth (i.e., kilotonnes, meaning 117,165,000 tonnes a.k.a. 117.2 million tonnes) were extracted from the "open pit surface operation" at Tarkwa to gain 21,876 kt of ore (meaning 21,876,000 million tonnes a.k.a. 21.9 million tonnes).

The table helpfully notes that this makes for a "Waste:Ore" ratio of 4.4 metric tonnes of waste for each single metric tonne of ore mined. However, this figure, given in the top section of the table, is not fully relevant to the environmental impact, because the 21.9 million tonnes of "ore" is itself almost entirely waste. The final product in pure gold for the market, as far as I know the only marketable thing produced by this operation, is 22.3 tons of pure gold. That means it takes about a million tonnes of ore to produce one tonne of product.

In giving the figure for the final gold product, however, the table switches to kg and presents it as 22,312 kg (so kt for "Total mined" at the top of the table but kg for "Total Gold Produced" towards the bottom). This convention means both the original "Total mined" and the "Total Gold produced" figures are rendered in the table as five digits, although if compared directly in the same unit of measurement they differ by six digits (a factor of X times 10^6).

Bottom line, the Ghanaian mine produced 22.4 tons of pure gold (also given as 717,000 oz) after digging out 117,000,000 tons of earth, which means 5.4 million tonnes of earth extracted per tonne of gold.

And this doesn't even begin to cover the water and chemicals and energy involved in the separation of the ore from the "waste" earth and the processing of the ore to produce the pure gold. All this to get a shiny, beautifully malleable metal that is already in abundance for its industrial uses; but that remains in far higher demand because some people will always believe it is God's Money and an even larger number persist in the belief that it is the True Symbol of Love.

To sum up, the real waste-to-product ratio in gold mining appears to be 5.4 million:1. This will differ at various locations, but it will still be millions to one. I didn't even believe it, so I invite anyone to check the above arithmetic. For example, am I mistaken in my understanding of the relative meanings of kt and kg as used in the GFI table?

Gold Fields International in the above linked web page wrote:

West Africa is host to world-class gold deposits and is a premier mining destination. The Gold Fields brand is strong in the region and Tarkwa is ideally positioned to fulfil the Gold Fields vision “To be the global leader in sustainable gold mining”.

PRODUCTION: 22,312 kg (717,000 ozs) TOTAL CASH COSTS: US$552/oz

Gold Fields Ghana Limited (GFGL) was incorporated in Ghana in 1993 as the legal entity holding the Tarkwa concession mining rights. Gold Fields Ghana Holdings Limited now holds 90% of the issued shares of GFGL after acquiring the indirect 18.9% of the issued shares belonging to IAMGold and its affiliates. The government of Ghana holds a 10% free carried interest, as required under the mining law of Ghana. The Tarkwa Gold Mine operates under seven mining leases covering a total area of approximately 20,825 hectares.

The Tarkwa Gold Mine is located in southwestern Ghana near the southern end of what is commonly referred to as the Tarkwa Basin, 300 kilometres by road west of Accra, the capital of Ghana, and is easily accessible with an established infrastructure.

The open pit surface operation exploits narrow, tabular auriferous conglomerates similar to those mined in the Witwatersrand Basin of South Africa. Mining is currently taking place from six pits, Pepe, Atuabo, Mantraim, Teberebie, Akontansi and Kottraverchy and the mine utilises a conventional CIL plant as well as a heap leach facility. In the twelve months ending December 2011, Tarkwa produced 717 koz of gold from the milling and heap leach operations at a cash cost of US$552/oz.


Hmm, Tarkwa Basin... isn't "basin" a geographical feature somehow related to water?

A friend added:

Jack, Frontline partnered with the NY Times some time ago and produced a very good series disclosing environmental and political corruption that goes hand-in-hand with this extractive technology.

The six Times articles related to this series had great photos and ran from October 24 to December 30, 2005.

Here's The Frontline home page for this series, Peru, The Curse of Inca Gold, October 2005
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/peru404/

From, The Toxic Shimmer of Gold,
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/peru404/environmental.html

"Today most mining operations use a process called heap-leaching, where gold is chemically sifted from huge piles of low-grade ore using a water-based sodium cyanide solution. To get a sense of the scale of the process, at the Yanacocha mine in Peru for example, Newmont Mining must extract and leach approximately 30 tons of dirt and rock to recover just one ounce of gold."

The videos are powerful,
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/watch/player.html?pkg=404_peru&seg=1&mod=0

Montesinos's Web, details corruption in print and videos.
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/peru404/web.html



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