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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:27 PM Mar 2013

Thousands rally in Tokyo to demand end to nukes ahead of 2nd anniversary of Fukushima disaster

Source: Associated Press



Thousands of people rallied in a Tokyo park Saturday, demanding an end to atomic power and vowing never to give up the fight, despite two years of little change after the nuclear disaster in northeastern Japan.

Gathering two days ahead of the second anniversary of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami that sent the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant into multiple meltdowns, demonstrators said they would never forget the world's worst nuclear catastrophe since Chornobyl, and expressed alarm over the government's eagerness to restart reactors.

"I can't see what lies ahead. It looks hopeless, but if I give up now, it's over," said Akihiro Nakata, a 47-year-old owner of a construction company, who had a drum slung around his shoulder. "I'd rather die moving forward."

Only two of Japan's 50 working nuclear reactors have been put back online since the disaster, partly because of continuous protests like Saturday's, the first time such demonstrations have popped up in this nation since the 1960s movement against the Vietnam War.

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Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Thousands+rally+Tokyo+demand+nukes+ahead+anniversary+Fukushima+disaster/8074525/story.html

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Thousands rally in Tokyo to demand end to nukes ahead of 2nd anniversary of Fukushima disaster (Original Post) bananas Mar 2013 OP
((Japan)) LeftInTX Mar 2013 #1
Those poor people RobertEarl Mar 2013 #2
Which science would that be? GeoWilliam750 Mar 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2013 #5
Oh? RobertEarl Mar 2013 #6
Radioactive particles are material. Material can be transmitted from Japan to the USofA. Radiation rhett o rick Mar 2013 #9
Jeeeezz RobertEarl Mar 2013 #10
Not bullshit - radioactivity from Japan even reached the east coast of the USA bananas Mar 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2013 #8
You're gonna hate this RobertEarl Mar 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2013 #13
Keeriiist RobertEarl Mar 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2013 #15
Good bye RobertEarl Mar 2013 #16
Heh zappaman Mar 2013 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2013 #18
Hello? RobertEarl Mar 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2013 #20
You are the one spreading disinfo RobertEarl Mar 2013 #21
If you have to be abrasive to have a discussion then we are thru. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #22
Dude!?! RobertEarl Mar 2013 #23
Flotsam from Japan is always washing up on the west coast of the USA, get a clue. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #12
solidarity with the people of Japan! Shut em down here and there wordpix Mar 2013 #3
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. Those poor people
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:54 PM
Mar 2013

The science says that northern Japan probably should be evacuated, yesterday.

For two years now the one plant that we know of, with 3 melted and uncontrolled reactor cores breathing their venom into the air, have been laying down a film of radioactivity across Japan. And some of it even reaches the US. Indeed the whole world by now.

Response to RobertEarl (Reply #2)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. Radioactive particles are material. Material can be transmitted from Japan to the USofA. Radiation
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:48 PM
Mar 2013

which is energy, can not be transmitted from Japan to the USofA. The difference is important.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
10. Jeeeezz
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:58 PM
Mar 2013

The particles emit radiation. The particles carried the radiation with them. The particles landed here and commenced radiating radiation. We have radiation here, in the US, spread all over the place, and it came from Japan.

Now what is so important about your concept?

bananas

(27,509 posts)
7. Not bullshit - radioactivity from Japan even reached the east coast of the USA
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:08 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.livescience.com/13507-infographic-japan-radiation-levels.html

Infographic:
Japan Nuclear Radiation Showing up in U.S. (Infographic)
Ross Toro, LiveScience Infographic Artist
Date: 31 March 2011 Time: 01:23 PM ET



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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. You're gonna hate this
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:00 AM
Mar 2013

Cuz it shows you don't know what you are saying.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/51585989-82/nuclear-radiation-scientists-bullets.html.csp

There is no 'safe' exposure to radiation

Bioaccumulation is one reason why it is dishonest to equate the danger to humans living 5,000 miles away from Japan with the minute concentrations measured in our air. If we tried, we would now likely be able to measure radioactive iodine, cesium, and strontium bioaccumulating in human embryos in this country. Pregnant women, are you OK with that?

Hermann Mueller, another Nobel Prize winner, is one of many scientists who would not have been OK with that. In a 1964 study, "Radiation and Heredity", Mueller spelled out the genetic damage of ionizing radiation on humans. He predicted the gradual reduction of the survival of the human species as exposure to radioactivity steadily increased. Indeed, sperm counts, sperm viability and fertility rates worldwide have been dropping for decades.

These scientists and their warnings have never been disproven, but they are currently widely ignored. Their message is very clear: Virtually every human on Earth carries the nuclear legacy, a genetic footprint contaminated by the Cold War, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, the 400-plus nuclear power plants that have not melted down and now Fukushima.

Albert Einstein said, "The splitting of the atom changed everything, save man's mode of thinking; thus we drift towards unparalleled catastrophe."

Response to RobertEarl (Reply #11)

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. Keeriiist
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:21 AM
Mar 2013

You wrote:

"..Contamination emits radiation"

You are slow, but you are getting there. No wonder nuclear power is able to get away with their lies when people like you are so convoluted.

If you read the article I posted the link to, you will notice that a most famous scientist is the one who says there is no safe dose of radiation. I'm just going with what the science says.

And there you are arguing against the known science. The nuke power plant people just love folks like you.

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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
16. Good bye
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:36 AM
Mar 2013

How you can sit there and be all over the place, I don't understand.



Here's another bit of info you are gonna hate:

http://archive.truthout.org/in-this-nuclear-world-what-meaning-safe68620

But what does this mean? From this record of studied and lived experience, there are a few things that we know. For example, fallout and the movement of radionuclides through marine and terrestrial environments ultimately get into the food chain and the human body. The toxicity of contaminants and radioactivity in fallout represent significant health risks.

Acute exposures are further complicated when followed by chronic exposure, as such assaults have a cumulative and synergistic effect on health and well-being. Chronic exposure to fallout does more than increase the risk of developing cancers, it threatens the immune system, can exacerbate pre-existing conditions, affects fertility, increases rates of birth defects, and can retard physical and mental development, among other things. And we know the effects of such exposures can last for generations.

Japan's nuclear disaster demonstrates in powerful and poignant terms the degree to which the state prioritizes security interests over the fundamental rights of people and their environment. Japan's response to its nuclear disaster -- similar to other government responses to catastrophic events like Katrina and Chernobyl -- has struggled to control the content and flow of information to prevent wide panic (and the related loss of trust in government), reduce liability, and protect nuclear and other industry agendas.

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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
19. Hello?
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:54 AM
Mar 2013

You're back?

The EPA says, to use your words, that the US was contaminated by radioactive particles from Fukushima.

You say that contamination emits radiation.

Therefore, you surely must see that we are being radiated by the particulate contamination from Japan that emits radiation. We have radiation on the ground, here in the US, from Fukushima. That is from the EPA.

Your own words confirm my readings of the science. If you have not read the science, well, that's your problem. You can read it from the links I C+P just as I did. Or not.

As for the low doses, as in the one article I read, then pasted here, you can see that the idea of accumulation is the real matter. Being that the contamination from Japan was spread across the world, it has gotten into our food, our water and is in dust. We eat it, we drink it and we breathe it. It accumulates in our bodies. It adds up. And it keeps radiating, some particles radiate for +100's of years. Radioactive Cesium is one among many particles that flew all the way from Japan to the US.

Those are facts. That is the science.

Response to RobertEarl (Reply #19)

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. You are the one spreading disinfo
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:41 AM
Mar 2013

Now I see why: You were a "... nuclear engineer for 39 years"

Your convoluted words now make sense.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. But I read you fine, and what I read is you spreading disinfo. What i am laying out here is science, which, when it comes down to it, you agree with.

Radiating contaminated particles accumulate in our bodies. We do gather it up in one place. In our bodies. That is why, imo, we have so much cancer.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. If you have to be abrasive to have a discussion then we are thru.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:09 PM
Mar 2013

I tried to be polite. Go pester someone else. You are on ignore.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
23. Dude!?!
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:57 PM
Mar 2013

You removed almost all of your posts. What's up with that?

Are you ashamed you kept saying that I was the one spreading disinfo?

Here is one more bit of info from a Doctor:


Is the Increase in Baby Deaths in the US a Result of Fukushima Fallout?
by JANETTE D. SHERMAN, MD And JOSEPH MANGANO

U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. While the United States spends billions on medical care, as of 2006, the US ranked 28th in the world in infant mortality, more than twice that of the lowest ranked countries. (DHHS, CDC, National Center for Health Statistics. Health United States 2010, Table 20, p. 131, February 2011.)

The recent CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report indicates that eight cities in the northwest U.S. (Boise ID, Seattle WA, Portland OR, plus the northern California cities of Santa Cruz, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, and Berkeley) reported the following data on deaths among those younger than one year of age:

4 weeks ending March 19, 2011 - 37 deaths (avg. 9.25 per week)
10 weeks ending May 28, 2011 - 125 deaths (avg.12.50 per week)

This amounts to an increase of 35% (the total for the entire U.S. rose about 2.3%), and is statistically significant. Of further significance is that those dates include the four weeks before and the ten weeks after the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant disaster. In 2001 the infant mortality was 6.834 per 1000 live births, increasing to 6.845 in 2007. All years from 2002 to 2007 were higher than the 2001 rate.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/06/10/is-the-increase-in-baby-deaths-in-the-us-a-result-of-fukushima-fallout/

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