Egypt's Islamists warn giving women some rights could destroy society

[dipsydoodle]

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Egypt's ruling Muslim Brotherhood warns that a U.N. declaration on women's rights could destroy society by allowing a woman to travel, work and use contraception without her husband's approval and letting her control family spending.

The Islamist movement that backs President Mohamed Mursi gave 10 reasons why Muslim countries should "reject and condemn" the declaration, which the U.N. Commission on the Status of Women is racing to negotiate a consensus deal on by Friday.

The Brotherhood, whose Freedom and Justice Party propelled Mursi to power in June, posted the statement on its website, www.ikhwanweb.com, and the website of the party on Thursday.

Egypt has joined Iran, Russia and the Vatican - dubbed an "unholy alliance" by some diplomats - in threatening to derail the women's rights declaration by objecting to language on sexual, reproductive and gay rights.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/03/15/uk-women-un-rights-idUKBRE92D1B520130315

[JCMach1]

1. Not a penny of aid to the government, or military... how about

that...

You don't support basic human rights then you are on your own.

Seriously, fuck Morsi and the Brotherhood and his Islamist allies...

[dipsydoodle]

2. Its the other side of the coin.

Most here went whoop whoop when their Arab Spring occurred.

[JCMach1]

3. There were many secular democrats involved in the uprising...

Ask any of them and they will talk about how the brotherhood has brought about a coup of their own.

Although they did somewhat cut a deal with the Devil (i.e. the Islamists) to get Mubarak out. They just didn't expect that devil to take over.

[dipsydoodle]

7. When it came to elections

they were in the minority and they should've foreseen that. The Brotherhood were already in their parliament as independents under the old rules where they could only stand a such.

btw - I'm not defending anything here. Just pointing out the facts of life.

[JCMach1]

29. Naive definitely...

[geek tragedy]

9. It was completely predictable. They were sadly naive.

Not that Egypt was a great place for women under Mubarak--the MB won elections because of its stands like this,,not despite of them.

[Bosonic]

10. It was always the most likely outcome

The only tiny upside is that in the cavalcade of Theocractic governments they are not (currently) amongst the most despicable.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1203295

[bobclark86]

15. Yeah, raise your hand...

if you saw this coming.



Gee, an overly-conservative nation with a strong predominant religion... I wonder who they're going to elect if we take the hands out of the pro-west, relatively pro-Israel government which was generally nice to women and to the minority religions (Christians)?

[AndyTiedye]

31. Hasn't Every Recent Revolution Turned Out That Way?

We would certainly get a xtian version of the same thing if the government ever fell in our country.
The Dominionists have been preparing for decades.

[drm604]

4. Come on people, it's the 21st century.

[csziggy]

5. Giving fanatics the right to control others' rights

Destroys society and prevents advancement. Religious fundamentalists damages the human condition more than any one factor I can think of.

Give all people their rights; restrict the controlling power of the whackos.

[bobclark86]

16. Well, except money, right?

I mean, that's what religion's always been about -- control of wealth and control of the people who have/haven't it.

[csziggy]

25. When fundamentalists are in control, prosperity suffers

The Islamic world was prosperous in the Middle Ages while Europe in the grip of the Catholic Church suffered a decline in knowledge, technology and prosperity. When the Islamic leaders became more fundamentalist after the European Renaissance, the areas under their control entered their own Dark Age which continues to this day.

Look at the states today that are less prosperous - they are the ones whose politicians are following the precepts of the fundamentalist churches.

If the religious want to have more wealth, they need to relinquish control.

[bobclark86]

27. Touche n/t

[RevStPatrick]

6. Why yes, Islamists, giving women rights could destroy society.

Your society.
And that's the idea.
We want to destroy your patriarchal society.
And it's going to happen, whether you like it or not.
Get used to the idea...

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Does the same apply to the Right Wing/GOP here?

[RevStPatrick]

26. Abso-frikkin'-lutely!

Two sides of the same coin...

[WheelWalker]

28. Agreed... +1

[Celefin]

8. Good thing we unconditionally backed the Arab Spring

Otherwise we might have ended up with some religious nutjobs running the show in Egypt.
Oh wait.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. The people of Egypt threw out and absolutely hated Murbarak. While about 45%

dislike the Muslim Brotherhood, they did elect Morsi.

Do you think the USA should make all of the world's decisions? Egypt belongs to Egyptians.

[Celefin]

30. This is of course correct

I have a more-than-usual cynical day and forgot about that little detail of elections.

And no, the USA is already way too busy trying to make far too many countries' decisions.

My bad.

[iandhr]

13. They would get along well with the tea party.

[bobclark86]

17. Nope...

they're "brown." Oh, and they don't think the exact same thing about Jesus, even though both religions are just ripoffs of monotheistic religions like Zoroastrianism and Judaism.

[iandhr]

23. Thats too bad.

They agree on so much.

[primavera]

14. Wow, they sound just like us!

African Americans having rights will destroy American society, allowing women to have rights will destroy American society, allowing gay people to have rights will destroy American society, allowing people access to healthcare will destroy American society, limiting access to guns will destroy American society, blah, blah, blah.

[bobclark86]

18. Well, pre-20th century Democrats, that is...

The Republicans of the era just wanted them back in Africa. They probably still do.

[John2]

19. That is what I

was thinking. Maybe our religious extremists should look in the mirror themselves. I'm not defending any of them. They all seem to be intolerant to me.

[socialindependocrat]

20. Time to quit being diplomatic and tell it like it is....

It's time for the more developed countries in the world to start telling the
middle east that they are living in the dark ages.

Like it or not - Sooner or later they will evolve.

The men are just trying to keep women in their place so they have someone to kick
when they get pissed off.

How far we've come technologically
How slowly we change mentally.

Gee, why did "Republican" just come to mind?

[Brigid]

21. "Egypt's Islamists" . . .

are full of crap.

[bemildred]

22. You have to change, Bucko.

Societies that deny human rights to all their members must change or get left behind. You can't really compete as a modern society if you are wasting all that talent and spending your energy on internal repression and control.

[sofa king]

24. Oh, so that's what they call chauvinism in Egypt: "society."