Study: Health overhaul to raise claims cost 32 pct
Source: AP-Excite
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
WASHINGTON (AP) - Insurance companies will have to pay out an average of 32 percent more for medical claims on individual health policies under President Barack Obama's overhaul, the nation's leading group of financial risk analysts has estimated.
That's likely to increase premiums for at least some Americans buying individual plans.
The report by the Society of Actuaries could turn into a big headache for the Obama administration at a time when many parts of the country remain skeptical about the Affordable Care Act.
While some states will see medical claims costs per person decline, the report concluded the overwhelming majority will see double-digit increases in their individual health insurance markets, where people purchase coverage directly from insurers.
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Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130326/DA592UUO1.html
Why do I not trust these numbers?
In this March 23, 2010 file photo, Marcelas Owens of Seattle, left, Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., right, and others, look on as President Barack Obama signs the health care bill in the East Room of the White House in Washington. Medical claims costs _ the biggest driver of health insurance premiums _ will jump an average 32 percent for individual policies under President Barack Obamas overhaul, according to a study by the nations leading group of financial risk analysts. Recently released to its members, the report from the Society of Actuaries could turn into a big headache for the Obama administration at a time when many parts of the country remain skeptical about the Affordable Care Act. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File)
Demeter
(85,373 posts)This stupid excuse and bad substitute for universal single payer will either kill the US economy, or never get off the ground in the first place.
Selatius
(20,441 posts)Because costs will skyrocket to the point where it would start crippling economic activity in general. People would be spending less on products and services because so much of their income is devoted to medical debt. At that point, the nation would be screaming for health care overhaul.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)and then we get medicare for all.
How awesome would that be?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)It's already my single largest expense, more than my housing, more than my car payment.
I hate this profit-driven health care racket. I really fucking hate it.
I wish I lived in a civilized country.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)The American people will remember being herded into the corporate holding pens while services shrank and costs escalated. That's a bad time to go to them a second time -- at the height of their misery -- and say, "No, wait. We think we got it this time."
Strategically, it would have been better for those of us wanting UHC if the USSC had shot down the mandate. At least then we would have had political cover.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)deductibles PLUS co-pays PLUS costs of services not covered) as they are for housing, we will get single payer.
But probably not before then.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)People don't realize how much insurance is costing because so many get it through work.
It's time for genuine reform!
caseymoz
(5,763 posts). . . healthcare in the industrialized world. We are first in cost and last in quality. It is a catastrophe, and a humiliating one.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)will break us. And the Wall Street representatives (meaning the Senate and the House) will still do nothing for us peons. Oh well, who wants to live until retirement age anyway.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Not really a polemical group.
http://www.soa.org/
From your article:
Actuaries may be boring, but this is the type of thing they do. They have considerable expertise.
Starting from the point of the payouts you can be most sure of is likely to yield a somewhat robust result, which is what they did.
PS: This study was done for their members' benefit, not for the purpose of political lobbying. It started from incidence/mandated coverage and worked from there. It's credible.
underpants
(182,739 posts)The study also did not model the likely patchwork results from some states accepting the law's Medicaid expansion while others reject it. It presented estimates for two hypothetical scenarios in which all states either accept or reject the expansion.
Larry Levitt, an insurance expert with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, reviewed the report and said the actuaries need to answer more questions.
"I'd generally characterize it as providing useful background information, but I don't think it's complete enough to be treated as a projection," Levitt said. The conclusion that employers with sicker workers would drop coverage is "speculative," he said.
Another caveat: The Society of Actuaries contracted Optum, a subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, to do the number-crunching that drives the report. United also owns the nation's largest health insurance company. Bohn said the study reflects the professional conclusions of the society, not Optum or its parent company.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)Then there are the certification exams. Pretty credible group. Essentially, they do cost risk analysis which sets insurance rates.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Do you want the insurance company to cover it or not? It ain't rocket science either. We want them to pay out for more things. When those things have positive long term benefits such as health screenings, preventative care, mammograms, colonoscopies etc, and prevention bankruptcies due to illness etc., the country will as a result be more healthy and more productive. What you do not pay for now with your premiums you are already paying for with taxes. Obamacare reduces the cost of healthcare to the Nation overall. Individual policies are just part of the process and only part of what you and I pay.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I'm OK with mammograms etc but what about drug rehab? My husband and I are clean; I don't think we should have to pay for something like that. Or "alternative medicine." If that is someone else's bag, God bless 'em; it's not mine. I would like to opt-out.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Industry. The logic is highly flawed and the supposition is questionable. It says:
Obama has promised that the new law will bring costs down. That seems a stretch now.. (T)he nation has been enjoying a lull in health care inflation the past few years.
It makes no mention of the considerable savings that will occur because, one, insurance companies are now required to pay out 85% of premiums in claims or issue refunds for the excess, two, far fewer people will be going to the emergency room without insurance, three, the new 33 million covered will now be getting preventative care and that costs a whole lot less than going to the emergency room when it is too late. The fact that there has been a lull in health care inflation points to costs already coming down as a result of Obamacare.
elleng
(130,861 posts)I'm interested in comparing your suggestions with those above, who think the actuaries are likely accurate due to their particular expertise. Think its because the actuaries don't have the facts (as the relevant facts are in the future?)
TexasTowelie
(112,091 posts)and I'll be quite frank when I say actuaries are not the geniuses that everyone would believe. I worked on tort reform in Texas and although I was considered to be at the bottom of the chain of people involved with the project, I often would make a suggestion of potential cost savings that none of the actuaries had ever considered. The reasons why I could make those suggestions was because I knew where information could be located and also because of my familiarity with the data compared to the limited knowledge that the actuaries possessed.
I can also attest that of the actuaries which I worked with both in the public and private sectors, the actuaries in the public sector had superior knowledge and technical skills than those in the private sector. Therefore, I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the numbers that a group of insurance actuaries would use as a prediction--you would probably have better luck at the horse racing track. Considering that most of them track towards a Republican political philosophy, I wouldn't be surprised if they failed to include some of the mitigating effects of Obamacare in their analysis.
elleng
(130,861 posts)Happy to have confirmation that 1. The sky is NOT falling, and 2. We are in fact likely to see benefits of Obamacare.
I'm an attorney, don't do numbers much, but recognize their importance. How'd it go with tort reform?
TexasTowelie
(112,091 posts)beginning in 1987. The attorney who was my boss was reasonably liberal and fairly tough on compliance with the insurance industry. He left in 1989 and the project floundered its way with a lady who was nice but more moderate. She did not have any administrative skills or legal experience and I was definitely to the left of her on tort reform. She was about 40 years old and I was in my 20's, but I actually was equally qualified for the manager position otherwise.
We finally hired some "real" actuaries in the early 1990's and I worked with the chief actuary and his staff of about five people during 1995 when tort reform took prominence again. During that session caps were placed on public liability insurance limiting settlements to $250,000 and also on medical malpractice where again caps were established on both physicians and hospitals. There were also overall caps on non-economic damages that limited recoveries to a multiple of the economic damages. We supposedly saved Texas insurance consumers over $2 billion in premiums when that legislation was passed.
While I working there, I reviewed the individual claim reports (over 10,000 commercial liability claims per year), created and administered a special data call for private auto insurance and produced the annual report to the legislature. I read all of the court verdicts that were sent in with the claim reports to verify that the allocation of damages (eco, non-eco, exemplary, pre-judgment interest) conformed with what was stated in the verdicts. Usually, the insurance companies tried to manipulate the data and classify the losses as non-economic in nature in order to bolster the argument that tort reform was needed, so I would contact the insurance companies to make corrections on the reports.
In a few instances, I had to read appellate and Texas Supreme Court decisions to develop spreadsheets to verify the calculations so I also waded deep into issues such as comparative responsibility and joint & several liability. I also had to amend our annual report to the Legislature as the new caps were enacted into law. For someone with a degree in math and a minor in chemistry, I really stepped out of the comfort zone becoming familiar with tort law, knowledge of various medical maladies and computer programming. I rewrote the original edit programs that checked the claims reports into COBOL in 1993 and later converted the entire system into Microsoft Access in 1999 since the system was not Y2K compliant. I left the insurance department in 2000, but I know that they are still using the Microsoft Access system that I developed more than a decade later.
I know that more tort reforms were passed in 2002 and I'm concerned that the pendulum has swung too far in favor of the defendants. My personal opinion is that if a party is either liable or negligent so that someone is injured, then they should bear the responsibility of paying for that injury. Otherwise, the burden of taking care of those unfortunate to be injured will be passed along through the government social services which we both know are underfunded anyway (particularly in Texas).
elleng
(130,861 posts)THANKS, for me and those you served!
TexasTowelie
(112,091 posts)What got to me was the amount of public exposure--initially, it was time spent inside the Capitol. Towards the end of my stint I was conducting training classes for claim adjusters. Answering questions from forty claim adjusters while in suit & tie, wearing a microphone, and then delivering the message with a teleconference squawk box behind me was uncomfortable for me since I don't care for public speaking. Everytime that I turned around to look at the projection screen the reverb on the squawk box sent everybody's nerves into a tizzy. That's a lot to ask for somebody drawing a statistician's salary.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)There is now a limit on overhead. They have to pay 80% of premiums on health care or return the rest of that premium to the buyer, rather than rewarding the CEO.
So, they are now paying 32% more on healthcare rather than CEO and uppity-ups salaries.
The total cost of premiums will be lower while the number of insureds goes up. Those new insureds will no longer be putting themselves onto Medicare roles. That's why it's affordable as in Affordable Health Care Act, aka Obamacare.
This report is really saying that Obamacare is working.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)---
Monthly premiums and comprehensive coverage are what the people care about. This "study" is not complete at all in that regard yet the naysayers are jumping all over it to bash "Obamacare". California is leading the way with Covered California. This is a BIG improvement: http://www.coveredca.com/
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bemildred
(90,061 posts)So they have to spend more on actual patients.
elleng
(130,861 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)that is the point. to have more of your premiums cover your health care and less the CEO's compensation.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)His job didn't offer health care, he could not get Medicaid. When he was sick, he wasn't treated.
Also, see Daybranch: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014436020#post12
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)I once knew an actuary and she worked for an insurance company. My background was in science and I was interested in a career change, so I looked into becoming an actuary myself. When I found out that almost all actuaries were employed by insurance companies I decided it wasn't for me. It seemed kind of like a geologist who didn't want to work for an oil and gas company. Anyway, considering their bread and butter pretty much comes from insurance companies, is it really likely they're going to come out and say that insurance rates should come down? Let's remember that the financial rating companies like Moodys are paid by the institutions who sell the things they rate. Of course those sub-prime mortgage backed securities got AAA ratings even though Goldman Sachs employees were saying about those same products "Gos what a shitty deal. God what a piece of crap." So this whole thing sounds a bit like the Sugar Council paying for research that happens to show that an artificial sweetener is carcinogenic poison.
Not to mention crunching the numbers. 256 Million people were already insured. 32 Million more should be added to the insured pool because of Obamacare. That's an increase of 12.5%. Why would 12.5% more people cause the value of claims to go up by almost 3 times that? Not to mention, other than the additional people who will be covered by Medicaid, insurance companies will be receiving BILLIONS of dollars in new premiums. It just doesn't add up to me. I realize that the Society of Actuaries is made up of professionals. I don't question their smarts, but it still seems like a conflict of interest.