.. Gunman opened fire on police with AK47 and was shot by police during a routine traffic stop

[question everything]

Source: Daily Mail

Authorities released terrifying footage of an armed madman shooting up a patrol car in Middlefield, Ohio, turning a routine traffic stop into a combat zone.

Local police told reporters on Friday that they still have no clue why James Gilkerson fired 37 shots at two officers using an AK-47 style assault rifle after the officers pulled him over on March 10, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported.

‘He got of the vehicle, intending to kill my officers. We don't know why he did it,’ said Middlefield Police Chief Arnold Stanko.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319321/James-Gilkerson-Moment-gunman-opened-AK47-shot-police-routine-traffic-stop.html

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But, hey, why ban AK-47?

[steve2470]

1. cops should have been in a tank

[Ian David]

2. I bet he was one of those "Sovereign Citizen" dudes. n/t

[Arctic Dave]

3. Must not have wanted to kill them.

If you have an AK47 and can't outgun two guys with pistols then you probably are wanting to go out by DBC.

[Crabby Appleton]

12. Cop car driver side windshield picture

[question everything]

20. Scary!

How the cops must have felt with all that fire hitting them

[joshcryer]

22. Looks like he aimed well and was definitely trying to kill one of them.

Wonder what would've happened if he did. Would he have gone on to kill more people?

[Recursion]

23. Depends. At a close range you're better off with the pistol

It's difficult to aim a rifle at things that are close to you.

[struggle4progress]

4. ... The dash-cam video shows the driver swinging his door open and firing numerous rounds at police

with an AK-47. The bullets pierced the squad car's windshield. The gunman is then heard screaming "Kill me! Kill me!" ...
Ohio police shootout caught on tape; Suspect armed w/ AK-47
Saturday, May 04, 2013

Another law-abiding gun-owner is cut down in the prime of life after forgetting a basic fire-arms safety rule: don't shoot at the police while shouting "Kill me! Kill me!"

[elehhhhna]

5. suicide by cop

not cool

AK47 - favored by cowards

[JackInGreen]

25. I'm not usually a 'Gun' person

but I think to lump any and all that enjoy the utility and durability of the AK-47 as cowards is a bit cheap. Not to say I'm defending anyone that would take it and shoot up the cops (or honestly, do anything but kill paper and cuddle it and clean it, or as utility in a combat zone) in an attempt at suicide by cop, but lets try and remember there are collectors out here and enthusiasts that would be colored 'cowards' by your statement.

[Hoyt]

29. Enthusiasts attracted to weapons that have killed hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. ????

Maybe they ought to get enthusiastic about something besides lethal weapons.

[lastlib]

30. When children die and policemen die, I'm beyond caring about "enthusiasts".....

They can find a new hobby. Those parents in Newtown can't replace children.

[marble falls]

31. I agree with you, Jack, even while i've 180'd about registering, making illegal certain amunition...

and accessories - large clips and silencers, national gun back ground checks and mental and past criminality with weapons would be denying factors.

For your critics. Guns by and large have not a thing to do with wars and the morality of them(to me the wars since I've been born have wrong and wastes), for the most part they are tools and used for recreational pursuits.

I have only been armed once in my life for self defense. It lasted three or four days until I could get my family moved out. My neighbor a drunk arrested many times for violence(including an assault on a female neighbor) started carrying a .357(legal in AZ) and menacing me.

I had a 12ga with goose shot at the door except when it was on the floor next to the bed at night.

Neither weapon was used in war, glorified or not, rightfully or not. There's all sorts of books and museums built to the glory of war - where their dunder at that?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

6. The concept is commonly called suicide by cop.

[pipoman]

14. Trying to find anything stating the guy

was "law abiding"..where is that info?

[bpollen]

21. law-abiding gun-owner

Sarcasm! Don't leave home without it!

[Andy823]

7. Right wing fear tactics

The right wing extremists have been hearing from the likes of congress, the NRA, and right wing smear machine, Beck, Limbaugh, etc., about how the president Obama and the "liberals" are going to take away their guns and they are reacting. You can't stir up a hornets nest and not expect trouble. The right wing crazy base are the kind of people that are easily swayed, they are gullible enough to believe all the BS they hear and "think" they have to "defend" their rights, even though those rights have not been taken from them, they only "think" they have because of what they hear from the hate mongers who have been spreading this crap since president Obama got elected the first time, now after he won a second term, things are getting worse.

Not having strongly enforced background checks should be a no brainer, but politicians are bought and paid for by the likes of the NRA, and we all see what that has done for "sane" gun laws.

[hack89]

8. Ask Diane Feinstein

she has no problem with people owning them. She sees no reason to make her AWB retroactive.

[Aristus]

9. Fucking kill yourself, you cowardly asshole!

Don't try to get the cops to do the job for you. They have families to go home to at the end of the shift.

[question everything]

33. I was at lunch with friends, that fateful Friday of Sandy Hook

the TV was on and while the enormity of the carnage was as yet to be revealed, Adam Lanza's suicide was known.

And one of my friends commented on how first they mass shoot and then kill themselves, and added: why not kill yourself first?

Rhetoric, of course, and still bothersome.

[Iliyah]

10. WOW

apparently this guy was pissed. Seems like he meant to hurt to kill the officers. Knowing the insane NRA they may use this footage for training.

And I bet this guy was a responsible gun owner.

[Tx4obama]

11. Additional VIDEO of WKYC’s TV news report on link below

Here: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/04/police-release-video-of-fatal-shootout-with-ohio-terrorist/

The video shows tons of stuff in his arsenal.

[Javaman]

13. "...have no clue why James Gilkerson fired 37 shots at two officers..."

perhaps because he was fucking crazy?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. Here's an update on the condition of the officers....

http://fox8.com/2013/03/13/updates-expected-on-middlefield-officers/

[Mr.Bill]

16. Looks like they took him out

while he was changing magazines. If he had a larger magazine, you may very well have two police funerals here.

[Crunchy Frog]

17. There's that well regulated militia again. n/t

[freshwest]

18. People still wonder why the police are getting militarized? Fuck the NRA for bringing this insanity.

[NBachers]

19. But wait, didn't this gun have some small little feature that made it NOT an assault rifle?

And would that not change this whole discussion?

[sofa king]

32. I can't believe I'm doing this, but...

... I took the plunge into some gun porn that preexisted the incident and also looked into the FEG AMD-65, which the police press release seems to finger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_65

It is indeed a variant of the AKM so for once the press can actually get away with using the shorthand "AK-47" and not have the rest of their reporting called into question for shoddy work.

Most of the discussion around this gun seemed to revolve around several regulatory compliance issues; apparently the guns can only be sold in the US with a certain amount of American-made parts, which seem to be considered sub-standard, and a barrel extension may also be mandatory. Some sort of fiddling with the clips may also have to be done to make them legal. I also got some indication that some of the guns may have shipped either in an illegal configuration or with a few pieces missing, along with an American-made parts catalog that someone could happily toss aside while rebuilding the gun with better, non-American parts.

One poster in a message board observed that only 30-round clips and smaller seemed reliable, and that 40-round clips and larger (there are clips larger than that?!?) tended to fail. The shooter in this video appeared to me to stay semi-auto the whole time, and to have trouble around shot 33; the clip may have begun to fail at that point, though it also appears the shooter was wounded in at least one arm or hand about that time, too.

The only reason I'm offering this is to point out that there are several potential avenues of regulatory failure at work here, even if the shooter acquired and assembled his weapon according to the law.

Not well-regulated is a helluva good position to start from in any American gun debate.

[onehandle]

24. He had the tools, and he had the talent. It's Miller time! nt

[JackInGreen]

26. That is neither

a fully functional positron collider nor was there an ancient Sumerian god on hand for the occurrence. I think to quote Dr.Venkman and Mr.Zeddemore is inapt.

[Supply Side Jesus]

27. Folks, please stay inside you vehicles during traffic stops

besides the whole safety factor of getting creamed by a passing SUV....

Whenever that door opens up, every cop has images like that in their head. If they get a little jumpy, think of this and understand why.

[heaven05]

28. they,

the police in this case, were infringing on his rights or something. Why else would he start shooting. Gunfire on the streets of amerikkka, dontcha just love it?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

34. This must be how others perceive America

This is from an English newspaper the Daily Mail. can you imagine what their readers think?

[question everything]

35. By now they are beyond being perplexed

Remember last year when they almost shut the government fighting over funding Planned Parenthood?

A British reporter was on Bill Maher and she exclaimed: shutting the government because of abortion?!?

[jpak]

36. Gun CULTure nut

yup