'Mounting Evidence' Boston Bombers Involved in 2011 Triple Murder

[avaistheone1]

Source: ABC News

Massachusetts investigators have developed what they call "mounting evidence," bolstered by "forensic hits," that point to the possible involvement of both Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his younger brother Dzhokhar in a gruesome, unsolved triple homicide in 2011, law enforcement officials told ABC News.

The officials cautioned that until more definitive DNA testing is complete, it is still too early to consider bringing an indictment against the younger of the two brothers, who officials said has admitted his role in the Boston Marathon bombings that killed three and injured 260 more on April 15. Tamerlan was killed in a shootout with police days after the Marathon bombing attack, but Dhzokhar survived and was captured.

Tamerlan was buried in secret, but a source familiar with the case confirmed for ABC News a report by The Boston Globe that said the 26-year-old was buried in Virginia.

In the wake of the Marathon bombings, Middlesex County began to probe a link between the elder Tsarnaev and Brendan Mess, one of the three men killed in the gruesome slaying on Sept. 11, 2011. Officials said Mess and two men were found in a Waltham residence with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. Tamerlan and Mess were once roommates and did boxing and martial arts training together.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mounting-evidence-boston-bombers-involved-2011-triple-murder/story?id=19151271#.UY1c2spc2RM

[Demeter]

1. This story just gets better and better

The FBI, CIA and DHS are out there scaring the public on an hourly basis, strip searching grandmothers and setting up directed entrapments for the feeble-minded, but they can't track a psychopath to save anybody's life?

[Ghost Dog]

19. There are too many psychopaths in too many boardrooms.

And elsewhere.

[Eddie Haskell]

2. Lynch mob mentality

Indite to indict ... Unnamed sources, unfounded accusations, half-truths, outright lies and it's all coming from law enforcement leaks. This is a lynch mob mentality and it's being directed by US news services owned by the CIA. Gullible Americans just eat this shit up.

[Yo_Mama]

4. The article talks about DNA testing of forensic evidence from the scene

Not "unnamed sources, unfounded accusations, half-truths and outright lies".

And it is the local cops that will be working on the three murders, not the CIA.

Now law enforcement officials tell ABC News that some crime scene forensic evidence provided a match to the two Tsarnaev brothers. The officials also said records of cell phones used by the Tsarnaevs appears to put them in the area of the murders on that date. Several officials confirmed the new findings but declined to be identified because they are not authorized to comment on the ongoing investigation.

Do they are doing more testing. This is pretty standard procedure, really. It would be preferable if they didn't talk about it, but that is probably unrealistic given the circs, and sometimes investigators deliberately leak for their own purposes in shaking things up.

[Yo_Mama]

8. Okay, the article makes it very clear what the cops are doing

This isn't a smear job at all.

Multiple people have said that the younger Tsarnaev dealt pot in at least a small way on campus:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-dealing-drugs/64529/

The authorities are probably working on the theory that there was a marijuana ring being run out of the pizzeria (quite possibly without the owners' knowledge) and they have leaked this story to try to get people to come forward and talk about that. Their theory may not be true, but it is not surprising that LE would do this. From the article:

It is unclear how the Tsarnaev brothers were associated with Gerry's Italian Kitchen, if at all, but looking back, multiple residents of Waltham and Watertown remember Tamerlan Tsarnaev delivering food to their homes and Tsarnaev family members have told reporters the brothers worked as pizza deliverymen. The eatery's management, however, steadfastly denied that either Tsarnaev brother worked there.

So you started out with the CIA, etc, and now you want to obstruct a murder investigation? There were three murders. It is not bizarre to check this out especially if there is some evidence to support a link. One of the ways to do this is to try to get people to come forward and talk about it.

If it is not true, it would be good to clear the possibility, because that means there will be at least one murderer on the loose and authorities still need to find that person or persons.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. What an amazind string of unfounded allegations. To what end would anyone need to

indict the already indicted/dead/doomed brothers? There is no indictment. Do you seriously propose that in the case of an unsolved murder, when people connected to the victims commit other murders, that suspicion is not warranted? Three people are dead, and their families deserve to know and will demand to know.
Would you tell their families that you assume the known murderer who was their sons friend simply could not have done the other killing, no reason to investigate at all? You'd look them in the eye and say that?

[Eddie Haskell]

7. I think

The evidence will be planted. I listen to what the eyewitnesses say, not the cops.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. But you think that for no reason, based on nothing, and without offering any possible

benefit to police that would cause them to engage in such things while under great scrutiny. What do they gain? The fact is, if the brothers did this other murder it looks bad for the PD because had they solved that one, the bombing would not have happened.
And I notice you did not have the stones to tell me you would look the victims families in the eyes and say that you would not investigate to find out if his murderer friend did this one as well. You could not answer my questions, what would YOU do? Would you look the other way? Assume that these brothers were virtual holy men, save for the mass violence?

[billh58]

12. Yeah, because

they need to plant more evidence to put this asshole away after he already confessed to killing three people and injuring many more in the bombing. Lynch mob? Corrupt police?

Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

[intaglio]

17. Do not believe "eyewitness" testimony

In all probability it is probably wrong

Mistaken or flawed identification has assumed a newfound prominence in recent years: It's been cited as a factor in nearly 78 percent of the nation's first 130 convictions later overturned by DNA testing, according to the New York-based Innocence Project, which works to free the wrongly convicted. As a result, a number of researchers are turning their attention to helping police departments and juries better understand the circumstances under which eyewitnesses observe crimes and later identify a suspect.

Source American Psychological Association feature "How reliable is eyewitness testimony?"

A more simplistic view can be found on Live Science Eyewitness Testimony Can Be Tragically Mistaken

here is a link to the Google scholar search for the same information http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=reliability+of+eyewitness+testimony&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=DeqNUYWPGonD0QWu1YDoAg&ved=0CDUQgQMwAA

[MannyGoldstein]

23. These are Waltham cops, not LA or NYC cops

They're very reasonable. As are the other municipal cops in our area (I live in a town that borders Waltham, drive through it every work day). They are helpful and pleasant, not assholes on a power trip. I don't see them planting evidence.

[24601]

25. The innocence Project has the following to say about the reliability of eyewitnesses:

"Eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions nationwide, playing a role in nearly 75% of convictions overturned through DNA testing."

http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php

[karynnj]

10. The article speaks of this as a possibility - and they are awaiting DNA

The fact that the older brother was the roommate of one of the people murdered and it was unsolved leads to the reasonable idea of testing to see if they were involved. After all we have learned they are not against killing people.

[cloudythescribbler]

3. it's true the government promotes many conspiracies, but this evidence is alarming

there's also sometimes too quick to see things that surface like this as other than what they appear -- peculiar coincidences and possibly very damning evidence. just as we should be skeptical -- especially in certain areas of proven dishonesty, like the justifications of the Iraq War -- of official explanations, we should also be skeptical about knee-jerk dismissal of things like this.

is the evidence against the tsarnaev brothers so uncompelling, or the willingness to do something as grisly as the marathon bombing suggest that they COULD NOT have commit murder before?

[Tx4obama]

11. Additional article on the link below

Here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/boston-bombing-suspects-triple-murder_n_3254539.html

[presscac]

13. "We want to pin this triple murder on him. He ain't no Gentleman Jim".

Possible that during all the discussions with authorities over the last few weeks a detective put his marijuana dealing and ability to kill together and asked a question. . . Maybe he squirmed when the curve ball came high and inside. . .

[RufusTFirefly]

14. +1 for the lyrical allusion alone

And welcome to DU.

(Although you probably should've spelled it "mur-der&quot

[Ghost Dog]

20. Yup. (No way it could have been the white guys).

[Nye Bevan]

15. Interesting. The thing that jumps out is the September 11, 2011 date of the murder.

Coincidence? Hard to believe, but this does not seem like a typical act of Jihad.

[jakeXT]

18. He got his citizenship on 911 in 2012, and bombs exploded on patriots day at 666 Boylston St.

[MADem]

16. BOTH of them? Well, I would say that kind of screws the theory that big brother killed the guys

for being "angry" because they introduced Little Bro to weed...

Maybe they ripped off Little Bro in his sales and distribution enterprise?

It's apparent that "Jahar" didn't cease indulging in the ganja after this incident, per reports from his buddies....

[jakeXT]

21. If someone writes "Gain knowledge, get women, acquire currency" and leaves $5000 behind, something

is wrong with this picture.

pounds of marijuana was dumped on the bodies and $5,000 in cash

[GetTheRightVote]

22. They have killed already...

The 2 brothers have already proven that they are killers of innocents so why would it be difficult to believe they are capable of such actions. Let the investigators do their jobs and take the steps to discover if it is in fact true. The 3 individuals killed deserve these actions on the part of law enforcement. I pray for their families and for the truth to be discovered on their behalf.

[Sunlei]

24. interesting to see if DNA is a match and they can place them there at the exact time

and good dna not a hair or two. exact time match.