Feds to probe Bay Bridge problems
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
The federal government will investigate how Caltrans allowed more than 2,300 suspect steel rods to be installed on the new Bay Bridge eastern span and will review the agency's $10 million fix more than two dozen that have already failed, officials said Monday.
The probe will be conducted by the Federal Highway Administration, which agreed to come in at the request of a state-local panel overseeing the $6.4 billion eastern span. The panel, which represents both Caltrans and the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, sought an "arm's length" review of the problems with high-strength, galvanized threaded rods installed on the bridge since 2007.
Problems with the rods have raised questions about whether the span will open to traffic as scheduled Sept. 3. A spokesman for the federal agency would not speculate on how long its probe might take.
"Our work has just started," said Doug Hecox, spokesman for the highway administration.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Feds-to-probe-Bay-Bridge-problems-4512267.php
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)I thought the materials came from China.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)cause it has been buggnig me, too.
The assembly work in California, and the pouring of the concrete road surface, will be done by Americans.
But construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are a Made in China affair.
California officials say the state saved hundreds of millions of dollars by turning to China.
California decided not to apply for federal funding for the project because the Buy America provisos would probably have required purchasing more expensive steel and fabrication from United States manufacturers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?pagewanted=all
BUT
But the steel was produced domestically by a manufacturing firm in Ohio called Dyson Corp.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2013/03/bad-bay-bridge-steel-rods-originated-ohio
and HERE is link to excellent pics of bolts and bridge:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/bay-bridge-quake-safety-bolts-fail-test-article-1.1300679
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)They spend six-some billion dollars on this thing, but cheaped out on the materials.
"Oh, there's a problem with the bolts? Just re-fire them! It costs too much money to have new ones made!"
NBachers
(17,081 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)In this NPR article, I don't know WTF they mean by "the deck" because the concrete road sections were cast in the inland port city of Stockton and sent by barge to the site.
This assembly will be performed early next year by American labor. But the massive cable, key sections of the iconic tower and deck were all made in China, which is emerging as an infrastructure powerhouse in more places than San Francisco. For example, Chinese companies have contracted with New York City for a bridge, the subway system and a commuter train platform.
The decision to outsource the fabrication of key sections of the Bay Bridge was made about five years ago, when a contractor offered alternate bids on the project, says Tony Anziano, a manager at the California Department of Transportation.
"One proposing to do work domestically, one proposing to do the work internationally: There was a $400 million differential in that bid, and in that case it would have required the work to go international," he says.
California avoided legal requirements to use domestic steel by not using federal funds for the job.
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515737/california-turns-to-china-for-new-bay-bridge
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Key sections of the. Deck. My guess would be the sections of the deck directly connected to the towers.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Lost art? All those construction workers went back to school, got MBA's and work on Wall Street? What the heck is going on here? Used to be NYC was union controlled in the construction industry. How did all this just "slip by?" Bloomberg and NYS just couldn't find the money? Boondoogle? We gave China some work so they'd buy more of our Bonds?
From the article:
For example, Chinese companies have contracted with New York City for a bridge, the subway system and a commuter train platform.
Thanks for the post and link about this...
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Brian Raff 2 years ago
This project was originally budgeted for at around $2 billion. Now at $7.2 billion, it will be one of the most expensive structures ever built. California officials estimated that they would save at least $400 million by having so much of the work done in China."
The reason American fabricators couldn't perform the work had nothing to do with U.S. fabrication capabilities, but with scheduling issues. However, as it turned out, the Chinese fabricators could not meet the original schedule either and the bridge ended up being built on the same schedule originally proposed by the American fabricators. The first delivery of Chinese steel was delivered more than one year behind schedule and the overall project is more than three years behind schedule.
The real issue here is that state agencies like Caltrans (California Department of Transportation) can get away with exploiting Buy America loop holes, running six billion dollars over budget, and all the while shipping construction jobs overseas without having to answer to anyone. This situation is outrageous and its critical that we, as a community, use our collective ability to push for change.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Of course I was just trying to clarify some of the details, but in doing so I learned that the state was skating the issue and wouldn't take Federal funds so that they wouldn't have to buy American.
As to the concrete decks of the Skyway, I take personal pride in knowing that they were cast just a mile or two away from my house.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Alas...it won't get it...But it's worth KICKING!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Mz Pip
(27,430 posts)The earthquake was in '89. There were years spent quibbling over the design. TPTB wanted something iconic. Cost over rides, delays and now this.
This new bridge doesn't even seem to go with the other half. This could have been completed years ago with a simple safe design.