UPDATED WaPo: DOJ Spied On Fox News Reporter
Last edited Mon May 20, 2013, 11:02 AM - Edit history (1)
Source: TPM
TOM KLUDT 8:17 AM EDT, MONDAY MAY 20, 2013
In its 2009 investigation of a leak related to North Korea, the Department of Justice spied extensively on Fox News Channel's chief Washington correspondent James Rosen, according to a report published in the Washington Post.
Using security badge access, the DOJ tracked Rosen's comings and goings from the State Department, according to WaPo. Moreover, the DOJ traced the timing of Rosen's phone calls with a State Department security adviser and obtained a search warrant to access his personal emails.
Read WaPo's entire report here.
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Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/wapo-doj-spied-on-fox-news-reporter
UPDATE:
Fox News Reporter May Face Criminal Charges for Reporting on the CIA
PHILIP BUMP 9:33 AM ET
The government will use any and all information at its disposal to find journalist sources, as shown in The Washington Post's report this morning on a Department of Justice investigation into Fox News chief correspondent James Rosen, who may face criminal charges for reporting government secrets.
In June 2009, Rosen reported on CIA analysis suggesting that North Korea might respond to new UN sanctions with renewed nuclear tests. In order to determine how Rosen learned of the analysis, which had been issued by the CIA only a few hours prior, FBI investigators used every tool at their disposal: analyzing Rosen's security access card to determine when he entered and left the State Department building, studying his phone records, and subpoenaing his personal email.
Ultimately, agents determined the source of the leak was likely the State Department's Stephen Jin-Woo Kim. Rosen and Kim established a high-tech version of the red-flag-in-a-planter system used by Bob Woodward during Watergate: when Kim wanted to meet, he would allegedly send an email to Rosen's Gmail account containing an asterisk. Rosen detailed the sorts of things he wanted to discuss.
According to the Post report, that's what Kim allegedly provided. And the way in which he did so appears to have been indiscreet. Their federally distributed security passes showed that Rosen and Kim left and returned to a building at the same time on the day of the leak. Kim's department phone records showed a number of calls between him and Rosen. When you work directly for Big Brother, you're likely to be caught.
Full article:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/05/fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-may-face-criminal-charges-reporting-cia/65393/
zerosumgame0005
(207 posts)Swagman
(1,934 posts)graegoyle
(532 posts)Last edited Mon May 20, 2013, 02:50 PM - Edit history (3)
(This was meant ironically--yes, not sarcastically--in light if some of Fox's commentators' statements in support of Bush's domestic surveillance prerogatives. And I am aware that this may not be in equivalence, but that's part of the irony.)
zerosumgame0005
(207 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)and a cop asks to search your car, then you'll be ok with it, right? After all, you've got nothing to hide, same with your home, after all, you've got nothing to hide.
yourout
(7,524 posts)Though it is a bit vague.
premium
(3,731 posts)although judging by some of the comments here, you just never know lately.
mac56
(17,564 posts)If indeed having my home or car searched is equivalent in importance to scrutiny of someone's use of State Department emails, phone calls, and visits.
It feels more and more like this is crisis du jour, and there's no "there" there.
premium
(3,731 posts)the point is that spying on reporters, no matter what org. they belong to, is wrong and saying that if they've got noting to hide, then it's ok.
Tell me, how is that ok?
zerosumgame0005
(207 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)zerosumgame0005
(207 posts)parodying the typical RW line I wrote. sadly the answer to my question to you seems like a big "YES I AM THAT DULL!"
premium
(3,731 posts)try putting a sarcasm tag and then we'll know the difference.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Last edited Mon May 20, 2013, 08:06 PM - Edit history (1)
premium
(3,731 posts)I've been guilty of it myself from time to time.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Just entertainment jocks.
premium
(3,731 posts)but in the eyes of the law, he's a reporter, he's also listed as the chief Washington Correspondent.
treestar
(82,383 posts)too true
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It was about attempting to determine who in their employ was leaking classified information.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)wercal
(1,370 posts)This is an ongoing case, and the story in the news today is based on court documents. This isn't an explosive uncovering of a secret...nobody was particularly trying to hide it.
That said, I think it is a legitimate exercise to ponder whether or not such surveillance of the media should be 'business as usual'. Keep in mind that you may not always trust those who hold the levers of power...think about the worst politician you know - do you want HIM to have such authority?
W T F
(1,146 posts)Karma!
premium
(3,731 posts)it's wrong, period.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I never thought I would live to see the day that Democrats would cheer about spying on the press and prosecuting them for the crime of journalism.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)They deserve to be spied on. They are part of a terrorist organization IMO. They shouldn't even be on the air for all the bullshit they spew.
premium
(3,731 posts)I feel for this country with attitudes like yours.
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)not broadcast news they are an entertainment channel. Sorry, they're one or the other.They can't be both. also, what doj did wasn't spying. The went to court and got a warrant. Have u read the emails? Read them and the warrant and tell me if you feel the same way.
If you disagree with what was done by the doj, that means you think having a reporter suck up to someone with classified info, spending time engaging them and befriending them, telling them how to get the classified info to the reporter, and then explicitly state your intention is to make money. To get a scoop. No whistle blowing. cold hard cash. Also, the doj only checked out access passes from that they narrowed from 95 suspects to one. They confirmed with phone logs who they passed the info to.Then went a got a warrant for email. Not spying exactly in my book.
premium
(3,731 posts)When the govt. threatens to charge a reporter as a co-conspirator, one who did nothing illegal, you don't think it's intended as a warning to other reporters?
And how he got the info, that's been going on for decades.
Maybe I'm more cynical than you, but I have very good reasons for being cynical, I mean, after all, it's not like the govt. has lied to us or used dirty tricks to stifle dissent or suppress info.
Kingofalldems
(38,423 posts)Are you a fan of Fox news?
premium
(3,731 posts)Because some FBI agent said he did?
Am I a fan of Fox news? And you need to know because.............................................?
Kingofalldems
(38,423 posts)so again, how do you know?
I got my answer on the Fox thing.
premium
(3,731 posts)because I purposely didn't give one.
Kingofalldems
(38,423 posts)What a great combination.
premium
(3,731 posts)Granddaughter just arrived and she wants the computer, so I'll say adios.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)VICTIM and the corporate will follow.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)All the BS scandals of the last several weeks are nothing compared to this.
Freedom of the Press is essential, and Obama's Justice Department has overstepped the bounds, even if it is Fox.
premium
(3,731 posts)I could care less if it's Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, it doesn't matter, govt. has no business spying on reporters and I find it hard to believe that there are people on this thread supporting this just because it's a Fox news reporter.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)There's no there there.
Everything was legal and by the book.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)6000eliot
(5,643 posts)They've sat on their hands for the last 30 years as the government has slowly eroded our civil liberties. I don't feel sorry for them now. They don't serve my interests anyway.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)the media is heavily controlled by the CIA anyway, this all seems like agency infighting or inter-agency fighting.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)A reporter caught in a spy scandal, but I digress, let's just be glad that the VP hasn't put CIA agents in danger by leaking their identities the press, I hope your outrage will hold for that....
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)I guess sweeps week really is important.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)There is a responsibility and consequences for both.
I may have a right to say, "all bikers are wusses" in a biker bar too.
Secondly, since when is Fax News considered "PRESS?"
olddad56
(5,732 posts)cstanleytech
(26,236 posts)investigating to find out who leaked classified intel to a reporter, it never has and that means things like wiretaps can happen even on a newspaper as long a judge issued a warrant granting it.
What Freedom of the press does is it protects the press from the government telling it what they can or cannot print and it protects the press from the government ordering a shutdown on a newspaper as punishment for printing a story that the government didnt approve of.
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)suspects to one. They then confirmed via phone logs that the fox reporter was the person who received the info.With that they went to court and got a warrant for the email exchanges between the two. I wouldn't even call that spying. Also, this info was out in Nov 2011. Why is it being reported now?
Submariner
(12,498 posts)Fox so-called News is nothing but a bunch of traitors, racist birthers, sex perverts, scientologist, plagiarists, and bevy of female news readers that sugar daddies Murdoch and Ailes display as a bunch of call girls. Fox is adult cable fucking swill put on the air by a racist cracker from down-under and should be investigated for sedition.
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)suspicious? Also, read the email exchanges and the warrant. We must consider the whole of evidence. The fox reporter engaged this guy and buttered him up to get classified info. He told the guy ahead of time how to do it. He explained in his email that this was for a scoop and nothing else. It was profit driven with no regard for national security. That isn't reporting. Also, fox has routinely claimed in lawsuits for false reporting that they are an entertainment channel and not a news channel. It can't go both ways.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Before flipping the outrage switch...
We will see what else comes out
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)There's no there there.
Everything was legal and by the book.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Trying to find national security leaks is the job of the administration - any administration.
Obama is not trying to tell reporters what to write and what not to write.
sigmasix
(794 posts)Isnt it interesting that we have a "News" media that only does the news when they are reporting on the Obama administration- but over the last 3 decades American news media has been methodically bought and radicalized by fox "news" and other right wing establishment extremists, in the interest of destroying American consensus about the nuetrality of the news media.
Now, all of a sudden we have a "news" media that needs protection from partisan operatives using the news media to destroy American consensus about the neutrality of our news media.
Fox showed the world what they think of honesty in reporting and interviewing when Rupert Murdoch's The Sun was busy erasing the voice mail of that murdered teenage girl. Is that the freedom of the press that you think we should be upset about during this investigation of a fox "news" reporter? Maybe we ought to allow fox "news" to just ring-up the terrorists and give them the adresses of the seal team six members- Would that be enough "freedumb" for fox "news" reporters? Or maybe we should allow right wing partisan press operatives unfettered access to the names of all our brave men and women in the CIA so that fox "news" has the freedumb to inform Bin Laden's followers about the home addresses and family members of those jack-booted thugs that risk thier lives daily excercising bravery in service to our country. Why do teabaggers think fox "news" should be able to steal state security secrets and place our heroes in harm's way? There's a difference between Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" and Fox and friends; The Jungle was an expose' written by a reporter in the interest of informing the American people that thier meat supply was deeply tainted and in need of a completely new regulatory regime to achieve any real improvements. Mr Sinclair went under cover and lived and worked in the Chicago meat packing yards, risking his life and reputation to make a positive change in America that saved millions of lives. Fox "news" reporters wait for thier marching orders from Roger Ailes and never deviate from the scripted meme. By it's very definition this is not a free, healthy functioning press- it is a right wing propoganda-distribution node and the "reporters" they employ are partisan political talking point parrots, not respectable reporters following leads. If we had a functioning news media there would be no market for right wing ideology and hatred- hence the destruction of American news media by Rupert Murdoch and his ilk. There really isnt any honest news media left in America that deserves special treatment.
Teabaggers keep beating the scandal drum, but they forget that America has them figured out- hence the lack of traction for these so-called scandals.
LOL
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)Hillary already did that and got a bunch of them whacked
premium
(3,731 posts)Spying on reporters has a chilling effect no matter what org. they belong to, and yet, people think it's alright because it's a Fox news reporter.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Kingofalldems
(38,423 posts)designed to bring down a president?
premium
(3,731 posts)and I hope that they pay the price, but that has nothing to do with the thread, does it.
starroute
(12,977 posts)They they came for the Associated Press ...
premium
(3,731 posts)and yet, there are people on this thread that are apparently ok with this just because it's Fox news.
#implied%20facepalm%20640x496
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)who is a CIA agent, DOD official, Republican on the Intelligence Committee or some other govt official.
(As an aside, AP promotes the GOPer talking points about the same way Fox does. Check MediaMatters for examples)
premium
(3,731 posts)You might want to read this.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/05/20-3
grantcart
(53,061 posts)1) The investigation was not focusing on the reporter but on a state department leaker
2) The 'investigation' involved tracing back movement by the reporter in the State Department
and
3) Getting a warrant for 2 days of emails and all emails to Kim.
Now here is where Greenwald famously goes off the tracks, as he almost always does.
He characterizes the leaks as being nothing more than normal chit chat:
Kim did not obtain unauthorized access to classified information, nor steal documents, nor sell secrets, nor pass them to an enemy of the US. Instead, the DOJ alleges that he merely communicated this innocuous information to a journalist - something done every day in Washington
So you might want to read the links that Greenwald incorporates because they completely contradict his characterization. Here is what HIS linked source said was the offending reporting:
U.S. intelligence officials have warned President Obama and other senior American officials that North Korea intends to respond to the passage of a U.N. Security Council resolution this week -- condemning the communist country for its recent nuclear and ballistic missile tests -- with another nuclear test, FOX News has learned.
What's more, Pyongyang's next nuclear detonation is but one of four planned actions the Central Intelligence Agency has learned, through sources inside North Korea, that the regime of Kim Jong-Il intends to take -- but not announce -- once the Security Council resolution is officially passed, likely on Friday.
The other three actions include the reprocessing of all of the North's spent plutonium fuel rods into weapons-grade plutonium; a major escalation in the North's uranium-enrichment program; and the launching of another Taepodong-2 intercontinental ballistic missile from the Yunsong military complex on the west coast of North Korea. The North last launched a Taepodong-2 on April 5; it conducted its second nuclear test in the last three years on Memorial Day.
The intelligence community only learned of North Korea's plans this week, prompting CIA to alert senior officials. Asked who would be briefed on this kind of data, a source told FOX News: "The top people: POTUS, DNI." "POTUS" is acronym for the president of the United States; "DNI" refers to the director of the Office of National Intelligence.
Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/node/1419#ixzz2TqoXkI1B
So it was not, as Greenwald says, everyday non classified material, but highly sensitive material that also discloses that the source of the information came from a source within North Korea, which, obviously, is something that is highly sensitive and very likely to have terrible consequences for the source and future attempts by the US to get good information.
As usual Greenwald cherry picks his points.
premium
(3,731 posts)attempted to charge James Rosen with soliciting classified info when the law is quite clear.
How is this ok with you?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about. The goal was to identify the leaker, not the person who received classified information.
The ignorance is astounding.
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)Posted by okaawhatever
WASHINGTON Disclosure of a highly classified intelligence operation in Yemen last year compromised an exceedingly rare and valuable espionage achievement: an informant who had earned the trust of hardened terrorists, according to U.S. officials
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The informant, a British citizen born in Saudi Arabia, had been recruited by British intelligence to operate as a double agent within the group Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, one of the most dangerous franchises of the Al Qaeda terrorist network.
His access led to the U.S. drone strike that killed a senior Al Qaeda leader, Fahd Mohammed Ahmed Quso, on May 6, 2012. U.S. officials say Quso helped direct the terrorist attack that killed 17 sailors aboard the U.S. guided-missile destroyer Cole in a Yemeni harbor in October 2000
The informant also convinced members of the Yemeni group that he wanted to blow up a U.S. passenger jet on the first anniversary of the U.S. attack that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. They outfitted him with the latest version of an underwear bomb designed to pass metal detectors and other airport safeguards, officials say.
The informant left Yemen and delivered the device to his handlers, and it ultimately went to the FBI's laboratory in Quantico, Va. Intelligence officials hoped to send him back to Yemen to help track more bomb makers and planners, but the leak made that impossible, and sent Al Qaeda scrambling to cover its tracks, officials said
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British intelligence officials were furious at the disclosures, a British diplomat said. Saudi intelligence officials also were dismayed, U.S. officials said. And U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials were aghast.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-na-intel-leak-20130517,0,979584.story
This story is really worth the read because it gives all the details of the AP scandal, leak whatever u call it. It's LA Times so a little rw but it does give the details. I absolutely back their getting subpoenas for the phone logs, provided they don't explore any phone numbers not associated with the leak. AP reporters, just like abc w/benghazi emails got sloppy and others will have to pay
premium
(3,731 posts)simpify
(19 posts)What's so hard for you to understand?
premium
(3,731 posts)how about when Daniel Ellsworth leaked the Pentagon Papers? Or when Woodward and Bernstein had info leaked to them about Nixon's crimes? Would you have been ok with the govt. spying on those reporters?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)the United States of America huh? Same with AP, an CIA undercover operative and his/her family and gawd knows who else was exposed. Oh wait, ya'll be the first to condemn Pres O and his Adm if something does wrong and Americans are killed and you find out it could be been avoided.
What happened was within the US and rightfully so, but dealing with "Terrorist" inside and out is extremely important don't ya'think?
If the leaks are against an American citizen, congress, Pres O or his Adm. thats ok, and I think this DOJ knows the difference.
premium
(3,731 posts)I gotta admit, you are a humorous person.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)any GOPers any time especially with Rand Paul who is willing to drone to death a guy who walks out of a liquor store with a six pack and $50.00.
LOL
premium
(3,731 posts)so long as they work for Fox news? That about right?
wercal
(1,370 posts)We may not always have a government you trust. So how about it...lets say Rand Paul somehow becomes president....are you still ok with the DOJ spying on reporters?
Pragdem
(233 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)or don't tell us?
gordianot
(15,234 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)I just find it hard to believe that people think it's ok to spy on reporters just because that reporter happens to work for Fox.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)then they might expect to attract attention.
premium
(3,731 posts)Woodward and Bernstein? Neal Sheehan? They acted like spies to get the story out, so in your opinion, it was ok that the govt. spied on them?
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)So, if someone leaks stuff to the press for revenge, for a grudge, for partisan reasons or to help a foreign enemy then it's okay?
This idea has reached the level where some see "leaker" = whistleblower = always good, always a hero.
premium
(3,731 posts)What was so secret about this info? Anyone with half a brain knew that NK would retaliate over sanctions.
So I'll put you in the catagory of it's ok to spy on reporters. That about right?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)would appreciate "ridiculous".
mac56
(17,564 posts)Geez. I didn't know I had to choose up sides this early in the morning.
Put down your clipboard.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That alone should bring them down. All the other reporters should take heed. I'm not for spying on the press, but Faux is NOT press. Any organization that wins a lawsuit and is allowed to use bullshit as the truth should be put under a microscope.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Who leaked the identity of Valerie Plame and what was the motive?
Who decided to draw attention to the IRS information and what was the motive?
What if I leak classificed info to a foreign spy that I know will cause operational damage?
What if I leak the same info to a reporter who lets the whole world know, is that now suddenly okay just because it's a reporter?
A leaker can do it for benevolent or malevolent motives.
premium
(3,731 posts)but we're not talking about the leaker here, are we? We're talking about a reporter being spied on by the govt. and apparently people here think that's a good thing because it's Fox news.
Maybe you should read this.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/05/20-3
So now, if I'm reading this right, the DoJ is now trying to say that asking for classified info is a crime?
You think that will have a chilling effect on reporters?
B2G
(9,766 posts)on classified data.
Only the leaker can. It's the law.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)It's probably more true in theory than in practice with today's MSM.
B2G
(9,766 posts)But you already know that.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)with the GOP altered leaked e-mail on Benghazi and I guess these people think thats ok? That full of BS and its effing fraud.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)that you find it hard to believe that....
John2
(2,730 posts)what you say, because it is really in the eye of the individual on whom you think a reporter is. Most of these corporate institutions don't report news these days. FOX to me is a propaganda tool to me for one Political Party. I don't consider that serving the public interest or the American people. Do you agree or disagree, FOX reports news differently and with a bias political slant? Can you site any positive stories FOX has done on Democrats or Liberals in the last Decade and vice versa, any negative news FOX has done on the Republican Party or people on the Right that broke laws? FOX is nothing but a tool for Rupert Murdoch, do you agree or disagree?
premium
(3,731 posts)spying on ANY reporter, no matter who they work for, and in the eyes of the law, James Rosen is a reporter and he is listed as a Washington Correspondent, no matter what you or I think of him.
choie
(4,107 posts)it's okay to spy on reporters as long as its the Obama administration that does it...
B2G
(9,766 posts)Try harder.
Pragdem
(233 posts)Not one person at FOX or AP has been arrested for something completely unrelated in their e-mails or phone logs. This was about finding the leaker.
Not one person at FOX or AP has been ordered to not report on the information they obtained with the threat of prison or execution. The Freedom of Press sounds like it's very much intact.
Their e-mails have not been made public. Their phone records have not been made public. They both were obtained with due process. And we're hearing about it to have this discussion.
Excuse me for not being an anti-government paranoid type, but I just don't see the problem here. This is more of a slippery incline than a slippery slope.
B2G
(9,766 posts)By arguing that Rosen had broken the law.
What law did he break?
You really think this is what should be done? You want the only news to be government approved news?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)but I hate spying on reporters even more. The Obama Administration sure has a hard-on about reporters, whistleblowers, and pot clinics. To bad it wasn't as dogged about war criminals.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Key card access records are government property, and people who use key cards to access government buildings do NOT have any implied right to privacy. Also, anyone who calls a government telephone knows full well that the "line is not secure and may be subject to monitoring."
And I'll bet you a donut that they only subpoena'd his emails AFTER they read some curious emails he exchanged with a government employee to a government email account (which is also subject to monitoring).
To my eye, Justice conducted an appropriate investigation into the leak of classified material. The leaker and the recipient both knew they were breaking the law and that consequences might accrue. Their "system" was as stupid as stupid gets--any good spy knows that the two tracfones, trashed when the game is over, system is much harder to trace. And meeting in or near State? That is just stupid!
emulatorloo
(44,069 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)The CIA was being investigated, not FOX. If the CIA was handing me classified information and I was arrested, the media wouldn't have said a thing about it, unless they could make some money off my downfall.
FOX viewers will say the big bad black man in the White House is trying to keep the public from getting the facts. Ironic, coming from the corporation that is a wing of the GOP and which has broadly edited clips and left out facts to smear people, fabricating news events and all the other worthy things they do under the title of the press.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)So watching this asshole was like watching someone from Entertainment Tonight. It shouldn't count.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)The Freedom of the Press is their freedom to publish under the first amendment, not their freedom from scrutiny when suspected of criminal activity. They aren't above or outside the law.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)You play with fire, you may get burned.
While freedom of the press is essential to our democracy, no one should be above scrutiny.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Reporting on classified information is not a crime.
If they were going after MSNBC in this exact same situation, heads would be exploding here.
I'm flabbergasted that people here thinks this is ok because it's a Fox news reporter, but if the same exact thing happened to MSNBC, the uproar here would be loud and shrill.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Disclosing classified information is a crime. That's why it is classified. The press may not have to disclose their sources, but that does not prevent the government from attempting to find them through other means, or shield them from investigation, any more than if they committed fraud or armed robbery. If the government censored them or pressured them not to publish, that would be a violation of freedom of the press. As far as I know, this reporter continues to freely appear in the media.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Disclosing classifed information by a reporter is not a crime.
And if you think this isn't sending a loud & clear message to the media in an attempt to pressure them not to publish these types of items, you would be dead wrong.
cstanleytech
(26,236 posts)classified intel to the reporter is the one that committed that crime and yes, its a crime to do so though oddly enough its perfectly legal to disclose if its to report it to a member of congress or the inspector generals office I believe.
premium
(3,731 posts)but it seems that the DoJ attempted to twist the law and charge Mr. Rosen with the crime of soliciting classified info.
If the DoJ was allowed to get away with this, it would put a huge damper on reporters.
That, IMO, would be a huge travesty.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Even Keith Olbermann, who is no friend of Fox, posted this on Twitter:
KeithOlbermann My experience dealing with @JamesRosenFNC was unpleasant and contentious. And I fully support him against this unwarranted act by DOJ
-13293 second ago via Twittelator
A lot of posts here where that doesn't seem to be understood.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Even if a leaker is just talking a reporter, it's not legal. On top of that, real spies from other countries could pretend to be reporters or journalists and get classified information.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)If someone was going to leak info to a reporter, it would be published and public knowledge anyway. You don't need a spy for that. If you are talking about soliciting info, well that is different.
And that is the main issue here. Whether the reporter was the one who approached to government worker and if that is considered illegal.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)If a reporter can get a hold of information, you never know who else the leaker might be willing to tell, spies included.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Has implied that he believes that the reporter did something illegal ... this get's immediately translated to 'reporter may face criminal charges'?
Seriously?
An FBI agent has no authority in the matter of whether or not charges will be filed. He may very well WANT to have it prosecuted, it might be his case, and he may think it'll 'look good' for him if the reporter is charged and tried.
But that absolutely doesn't mean that charges ARE going to be filed.
Sheesh ...
The way the shit is piling up lately to make Obama look bad, I just don't think it's a coincidence. It's really starting to look like the PTB want to bring Obama down. I wonder what he did to piss them off so much.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I wish people would stop viewing everything through partisan glasses. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe things are piling up because this administration is going off the rails all on it's own and not because of some big Republican conspiracy to get the president? This isn't Red State blog, it's Democratic Underground. Most of the people posting here are registered Democrats. But, when Democrats do the wrong thing, Democrats of principle condemn their behavior. They don't make excuses for abuse of power just because it's a Democratic administration. We accused the Republicans (rightfully so) under Bush of defending torture and then we turn around and defend the indefensible under Obama. Do you really want to repeat what the Republicans did?
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)All I've seen is a report (in the Atlantic article) from one person described as an FBI AGENT, who's saying that what Rosen did is basically being 'assessed' for criminal activity.
What am I MISSING HERE? Has this guy been charged? Are actual PROSECUTORS threatening him? Has he had to lawyer up?
I'm feeling like I MUST be missing SOMEthing here, it's like everyone is talking about what some agent said as though it were some 'official' proclamation from DoJ.
It *appears* like this whole freakout is over this, in teh Atlantic article:
"[FBI agent Reginald] Reyes wrote that there was evidence Rosen had broken the law, at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator. That fact distinguishes his case from the probe of the AP, in which the news organization is not the likely target.
Using italics for emphasis, Reyes explained how Rosen allegedly used a covert communications plan and quoted from an email exchange between Rosen and Kim that seems to describe a secret system for passing along information."
And everyone is acting like dude's been arrested already and is facing a grand jury. I just DON'T GET IT?!? Somebody please clue me in?
EDIT ... okay, I see now that the quote from the FBI agent was part of the warrant request.
Now, unless he lied in this warrant (in which case that should be reviewed), then the person actually RESPONSIBLE ... was the judge who signed/issued the warrant. It's the JUDGES job to be the final arbiter of what is appropriate under the LAW, not the Agents. Agents will pretty much always try to pull as much stuff in to make their case as they can, that's why we HAVE such thing as WARRANTS that have to be signed off for by judges.
SO ... does this judge work for the DoJ? Why isn't anyone talking about what the judge did wrong?
And is there ANY evidence that the Obama administration was 'in the know' that this was going on, let alone that this was done as some kind of 'political' retribution against Faux News?
Also, does anyone else find it a little FISHY that this just HAPPENS to come out RIGHT at the time we're finding out about the GOP's doctoring of Benghazi emails? I know I sure as f*** DO?!?
tavalon
(27,985 posts)On the one hand, if this guy really is a reporter, it's a breach of the first amendment, very similar to the breach the DOJ has made with the AP and no one here has managed to make a credible excuse for that so I remain with the ACLU on the wrongness of our government going after reporters records.
OTOH, Faux "News" isn't really news so I don't know if this guy really is a reporter or just a propaganda shill and last time I checked the First Amendment didn't mention protection for propaganda shills.
Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)The government doesn't get to decide who is a journalist. That's kind of the whole purpose of the first amendment... making sure we don't have a government controlled media.
If someone in the government leaks classified information that causes grave harm to our national security, by all means investigate and go after the leaker. Treating the reporter as a criminal is beyond the pale.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)And if we are going to call him a journalist (who has really bad taste in employers) then this is just as criminal as what happened to the AP.
HeroInAHalfShell
(330 posts)Like Bradley Manning?
HeroInAHalfShell
(330 posts)okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)Act of 1917. Here's a good straight up article about it.
http://blogs.fas.org/secrecy/2013/05/kim-rosen-warrant/
HeroInAHalfShell
(330 posts)So far, the FBIs investigation has revealed in excess of 95 individuals, in addition to Mr. Kim, who accessed the Intelligence Report [containing the information reported by Mr. Rosen] on the date of the June 2009 article and prior to its publication.
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What makes this alarming is that soliciting and encouraging the disclosure of classified information are routine, daily activities in national security reporting. The use of pseudonyms and discreet forms of communication are also commonplace.
But for todays FBI, these everyday reporting techniques are taken as evidence of criminal activity and grounds for search and seizure of confidential email.
Based on the foregoing, there is probable cause to believe that the Reporter has committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. 793 (Unauthorized Disclosure of National Defense Information), at the very least, either as an insider, abettor and/or co-conspirator of Mr. Kim, Mr. Reyes wrote.
So what Rosen did was commonplace but this FBI agent chose Rosen and decided that he had probable cause from this.
hmmmmm......
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Did Fox or any other NewsCorp properties do anything to endanger national security?
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)to determine which reporter is doing it?
premium
(3,731 posts)But if they're passing secrets to a foreign country, that's a Fed. crime and legitimate investigative means should be used, but a reporter publishing classified info is not a criminal offense on the part of the reporter.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Carney couldn't get out of there fast enough.
premium
(3,731 posts)and good for them.
Kingofalldems
(38,423 posts)and destroy Democrats. And witness the criminal activity in Great Britain. Absolute justification.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,423 posts)luckily they failed last year.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Who in the government was doing it.
alp227
(32,006 posts)Fox News reacted with outrage Monday to the revelation that the Justice Department tried to criminalize the newsgathering activities of reporter James Rosen in 2009 for simply doing his job.
It is downright chilling, Michael Clemente, executive vice president for news, said in a statement. We will unequivocally defend his right to operate as a member of what up until now has always been a free press.
The reaction from Fox came after the Post reported Monday on the Justice Departments investigation into a possible leak of classified information about North Korea. A former State Department arms expert, Stephen J. Kim, was charged in 2010 with illegally disclosing national defense information to Rosen, Foxs chief Washington correspondent.
Federal investigators seeking Rosens personal e-mail suggested in a 2010 search warrant that he was potentially criminally liable for soliciting the disclosure of classified information. The warrant was unsealed in 2011, but a Fox executive confirmed that the network was not aware of the allegations until Reading the Posts report Monday.
full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fox-calls-doj-investigation-of-reporter-downright-chilling/2013/05/20/1236692e-c17f-11e2-bfdb-3886a561c1ff_story.html
premium
(3,731 posts)for the DoJ. Just about every news org., is condemning this, Jay Carney got beat up pretty good during his briefing today, and to top it off, it appears that Rosen didn't do anything illegal.
Asking for information has never been deemed a crime, said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. Its a line that has not been crossed up until now.
So, I've gotta ask, why now? Why this particular reporter? Is it because it's Fox news? Or is the govt. trying to send a message to the news orgs.?
Something to ponder.
HeroInAHalfShell
(330 posts)brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Last edited Mon May 20, 2013, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)
"the Justice Departments characterization of Rosen as a possible co-conspirator had crossed a line. "
How has 'the Justice Department' done this? All I've seen so far is a quote from one FBI agent that he thinks what Rosen did may be criminal. What am I missing here? Have charges been recently filed, or has an actual prosecutor come out and said something along these lines?
There's nothing wrong with Justice pursuing all legal avenues in a leak case involving confidential information. They don't appear to have done anything 'wrong', as long as they DON'T prosecute (or even threaten to prosecute) this Rosen dude.
Is this all coming to a head because of what one FBI agent said, or has something ELSE happened that suggests that charges may be filed against him?
EDIT ... okay, I see now that the quote from the FBI agent was part of the warrant request.
Now, unless he lied in this warrant (in which case that should be reviewed), then the person actually RESPONSIBLE ... was the judge who signed/issued the warrant. It's the JUDGES job to be the final arbiter of what is appropriate under the LAW, not the Agents. Agents will pretty much always try to pull as much stuff in to make their case as they can, that's why we HAVE such thing as WARRANTS that have to be signed off for by judges.
SO ... does this judge work for the DoJ? Why isn't anyone talking about what the judge did wrong?
And is there ANY evidence that the Obama administration was 'in the know' that this was going on, let alone that this was done as some kind of 'political' retribution against Faux News?
Also, does anyone else find it a little FISHY that this just HAPPENS to come out RIGHT at the time we're finding out about the GOP's doctoring of Benghazi emails? I know I sure as f*** DO?!?
cstanleytech
(26,236 posts)then the press hasnt much room to squawk over it if any.
And if people think its the first reporter and or news organization that has been involved in an investigation or that freedom of the press means that that any crime involving a news organization or reporter cannot be investigated then they are deluding themselves.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You really need to read more about this story before posting. Clearly you are unclear on many of the details of the investigation into this leak.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)obtaining it. If the intelligence concerns planned efforts or the future, then I think the press should respect the government's decision that it is secret.
That's overly simplistic, but basically what I think.
Our government classifies information we should have. The government should classify less, and the press should respect the legitimate classifications.
I suspect that the man working for intelligence will be fired. But I still suspect that Petraeus may have been the worst offender in this area. Didn't he have unofficial friends working closely with him in Afghanistan? What was the story on that?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)See? I told you they'd fuck everything up.....