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alp227

(32,018 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:21 PM May 2013

Apple Avoided Billions in Taxes, Congressional Panel Says

Source: New York Times

Even as Apple became the nation’s most profitable technology company, it avoided billions in taxes in the United States and around the world through a web of subsidiaries so complex it spanned continents and surprised experts, a Congressional investigation has found.

Some of these subsidiaries had no employees and were largely run by top officials from the company’s headquarters in Cupertino, Calif., according to Congressional investigators. But by officially locating them in places like Ireland, Apple was able to, in effect, make them stateless – exempt from taxes, record-keeping laws and the need for the subsidiaries to even file tax returns anywhere in the world.

In 2011, for example, one subsidiary paid Ireland just one-twentieth of 1 percent in taxes on $22 billion on pretax earnings from various operations; another did not file a corporate tax return anywhere and has paid almost nothing on $30 billion in profits since 2009.

“Apple wasn’t satisfied with shifting its profits to a low-tax offshore tax haven,” said Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat. “Apple sought the holy grail of tax avoidance. It has created offshore entities holding tens of billions of dollars while claiming to be tax resident nowhere.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/business/apple-avoided-billions-in-taxes-congressional-panel-says.html?pagewanted=all

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Apple Avoided Billions in Taxes, Congressional Panel Says (Original Post) alp227 May 2013 OP
hope it is enough money tomm2thumbs May 2013 #1
They don't need to "buy" a soul ChromeFoundry May 2013 #15
No laws broken. Congress has themselves to blame. Apple pays more corporate taxes than anyone. onehandle May 2013 #2
I too often find ways to rationalize the actions of my sacred cows LanternWaste May 2013 #3
well put -- people should probably ask themselves tomm2thumbs May 2013 #10
Because it's not like Apple lobbys for tax laws that enable then to do this, right ? PoliticAverse May 2013 #4
President Obama from that article... onehandle May 2013 #5
I love the part that reminds us, once again.... louis-t May 2013 #6
You elected Congress... ChromeFoundry May 2013 #16
But they're so user friendly! Addison May 2013 #7
But but but they have a cute glowing logo!! ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #8
Apple Gets About $700 Million In Tax Credits DallasNE May 2013 #9
It's not a bug, it's a feature mindwalker_i May 2013 #11
I'm also sick of these companies talk about how much they pay in taxes, but don't discuss what the okaawhatever May 2013 #12
Why single out Apple, lets hear how much Exxon paid in taxes in this country. olddad56 May 2013 #13
I looked it up on Google. 12 billion in 2011. Pterodactyl May 2013 #18
iCHEATS BuddhaGirl May 2013 #14
This to me is a far greater scandal than the Tea Party bullshit, and I'm sure Apple isn't alone. Initech May 2013 #17
They are going to avoid millions more with the latest scheme to pay dividends Egnever May 2013 #19
"Apple is a disgusting company" OhioChick May 2013 #20
Political theater at its finest fujiyama May 2013 #21
No, you are wrong muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #23
"back alley thief" dipsydoodle May 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #24
Bill Gates doesn't work at Microsoft. tridim May 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #27
Apple tax evasion-- there's an app for that! pitchforx May 2013 #25
I don't remember: did GE CEO appear before a Congressional panel? question everything May 2013 #28

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
15. They don't need to "buy" a soul
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:16 PM
May 2013

the suicide nets at Foxconn were actually designed to catch the souls of the child laborers as they plunge to their death.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. No laws broken. Congress has themselves to blame. Apple pays more corporate taxes than anyone.
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:34 PM
May 2013

And they should pay more.

Again, blame Congress.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
3. I too often find ways to rationalize the actions of my sacred cows
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:42 PM
May 2013

I too often find ways to rationalize the actions of my sacred cows, and place blame elsewhere. It denies both myself and my sacred cow any ethical responsibilities...

I believe it is colloquially called a "win-win" scenario when we do that. Good for us!

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
10. well put -- people should probably ask themselves
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:13 PM
May 2013

does it feel good to answer 'well.... technically we're not breaking any laws...'

maybe they should ask themselves

Do we want to be right?
Or do the right thing...

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
5. President Obama from that article...
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:53 PM
May 2013
We should start with our tax code. Right now, companies get tax breaks for moving jobs and profits overseas. Meanwhile, companies that choose to stay in America get hit with one of the highest tax rates in the world. It makes no sense, and everyone knows it. So let’s change it.

He wasn't talking to Apple.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
6. I love the part that reminds us, once again....
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:56 PM
May 2013

that tax breaks for wealthy corporations don't create jobs. As wealth of these companies grows, they often shed employees. Koch, Exxon, etc. have similar track records.

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
16. You elected Congress...
Mon May 20, 2013, 10:26 PM
May 2013

If they are not doing their job, then as a consumer you need to boycott Apple until they act in an ethical manner. If you do not, you are as much at fault.

The bully in an elementary school that constantly harasses a smaller child, technically isn't breaking any laws.
Yelling "Wire!" in a crowded theater, technically isn't breaking any laws either - but, rest assured, the one yelling is still a douche bag.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
8. But but but they have a cute glowing logo!!
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:59 PM
May 2013

And they have hip cool commercials. They fit my progressive modern lifestyle perfectly therefor they can do no wrong.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
9. Apple Gets About $700 Million In Tax Credits
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:03 PM
May 2013

Each year for the executive bonuses in the form of stock options. I'm guessing that Apple does not include these credits when they report how much tax they pay while the government looks at net taxes as the difference is about right for that being the case.

The credit occurs when Apple announces their executives compensation package with the credit being the difference between the option price and the closing value of the stock on that day. In 2009 that difference came to $700 million.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
11. It's not a bug, it's a feature
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

Corporations will do what they can to get more money. It's what they're there for. The problem is that the Republicans pushed for laws and loopholes specifically to make this kind of thing possible. I doubt they (the Republicans) even thought about whether it was right or not, nor whether it would be good for the country. That simply doesn't matter to them. What did matter was how much of that money would come back as campaign contributions.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
12. I'm also sick of these companies talk about how much they pay in taxes, but don't discuss what the
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:55 PM
May 2013

taxes are. You notice the Apple testimony was they paid x amount of dollars to the treasury. That means employee taxes, regulatory taxes it collects, sales taxes. It's a scam. Exxon advertises how much it pays in taxes but alot of that is taxes it collects at the pumps from company owned stores. They're talking about your taxes. It sickens me. Also, their percentage of income tax is on net earnings, let's compare what they are to gross income.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
19. They are going to avoid millions more with the latest scheme to pay dividends
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:04 PM
May 2013

By borrowing the money to pay them instead of using the cash they have on hand they will be avoiding millions more in taxes. Apple is a disgusting company.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
21. Political theater at its finest
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:58 PM
May 2013

I'm certainly no Apple fan boy (and don't particularly care for their products), but the reality is most companies would kill to be in Apple's shoes at least as far as having the kind of cash cushion they have.

The reality is, 99% of corporations do exactly what Apple does. It's more glaringly obvious in Apple's case because of the amount of cash on hand they have and the schemes they're pulling to avoid paying taxes (like floating the recently issues bond). Surprise, surprise, the second most valuable company on earth is greedy and likes to avoid paying taxes.

Congress has itself, and only itself to blame for writing these damn loopholes into law. If this was GM, Ford, or Chryself, I can't imagine Levin being so critical.

Color me totally unimpressed.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
23. No, you are wrong
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:52 AM
May 2013

"The reality is, 99% of corporations do exactly what Apple does."

No, 99% of corporations do not negotiate special taxation rates with governments. 99% of corporations cannot get away with a major subsidiary filing no tax return for 4 years, despite profits of $30 billion, and paying no tax on that, anywhere in the world.

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pitchforx

(49 posts)
25. Apple tax evasion-- there's an app for that!
Tue May 21, 2013, 01:24 PM
May 2013

they are a bunch of unpatriotic quasi-cultists that use the public spectrum and infrastructure and don't feel the need to contribute. Robber barons, basically. At least Samsung is investing in building a plant in America. That makes them a better corporate citizen than the rotten Apple.

question everything

(47,470 posts)
28. I don't remember: did GE CEO appear before a Congressional panel?
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:38 PM
May 2013

Corporations and individuals will avoid tax payments, will take advantage of tax loopholes as long as there are.

Time to scrap the tax code and start anew. And first thing - eliminate the 501(c)(4).


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