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aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:35 PM May 2013

Heckler repeatedly interrupts Obama speech

Source: NBC News

By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News

President Barack Obama was repeatedly interrupted by a heckler whose taunts slowed the delivery of a major national security speech in the Washington, D.C. area.



The unidentified heckler began shouting at the president toward the tail end of his highly-anticipated address, when he touched upon U.S. policy toward detainees suspected of terrorist acts.

A woman in the crowd yells at President Barack Obama during his address to the National Defense University on Thursday.

Obama was forced to pause three separate times and talk over the protester, interrupting the flow of the closing section of the speech at National Defense University.

“I'm about to address it ma'am, but you've got to let me speak,” Obama scolded the woman. “Why don't you sit down and let me tell you exactly what I'd do."

The antiwar group Code Pink, which often interrupts high-profile political events with vocal protests against U.S. foreign policy and national security strategy, said its founder Medea Benjamin was the person responsible for the interruption.

. . .

Read more: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18449779-heckler-repeatedly-interrupts-obama-speech?lite



Complaining about how Obama is dealing with the hunger strike in Gitmo.
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Heckler repeatedly interrupts Obama speech (Original Post) aggiesal May 2013 OP
The code pink person HAS been identified as Medea Benjamin Tx4obama May 2013 #1
I don't think they HELP at all. I remember how they turned the Plame hearings--which were MADem May 2013 #2
+1! nt sheshe2 May 2013 #31
Looks like someone thinks Code Pink are above criticism. FSogol May 2013 #59
Unbelievable--who knew that Code Pink were members of DU? MADem May 2013 #65
Wow. This alert wouldn't even make the qualifying rounds in the Gungeon. nt Eleanors38 May 2013 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author DeSwiss May 2013 #8
The FACTS regarding GITMO, Obama, and Congress (for those that do not know them) Tx4obama May 2013 #9
Right, and that idiot clouded the issue. TekGryphon May 2013 #14
Code Pink cant disavow her....she is Code Pink Pachamama May 2013 #34
+1! K&R n/t pengillian101 May 2013 #36
I agree wholeheartedly. I have been a supporter of Code Pink but today's snappyturtle May 2013 #51
Her crew also did a great job making a mockery of the Plame hearing. MADem May 2013 #67
Hey, if you know her "personally" jonthebru May 2013 #52
Okay I will olddots May 2013 #63
I actually John2 May 2013 #55
So, the White House should schedule a meeting with anyone who's an obnoxious jerk? brooklynite May 2013 #57
Krisp on a cracker, might as well put Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh in the Lincoln bedroom, then! MADem May 2013 #68
+1!!! I hope you don't get alerted on for daring to speak the truth about what MADem May 2013 #66
And Obama, classically, turns it into a WIN! NYC_SKP May 2013 #3
He really did! nt flamingdem May 2013 #6
Just imagine Iliyah May 2013 #4
Or if they had got in awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #5
well, she was escorted out in this case, too, but fishwax May 2013 #53
Gotta wonder who let her in. ucrdem May 2013 #7
Ironically she helps the President by the contrast in both content and style. grantcart May 2013 #11
I guess you could say that ucrdem May 2013 #12
Fascism is . . . aggiesal May 2013 #15
It makes you wonder about his security. ucrdem May 2013 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten May 2013 #10
Every organization has their nitwits, this was Code Pink's TekGryphon May 2013 #13
She's the leader of Code Pink, my dude alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #21
Doesnt say alot for Code Pink, does it Katashi_itto May 2013 #37
Thank you for keeping it real, Medea -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #16
You're in California? ucrdem May 2013 #19
Yes, I am in CA -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #23
Okay I remember Global Exchange from the Clinton years ucrdem May 2013 #26
Did you vote for Mike Strimling in the primaries last year? eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #29
I don't know much about her. longship May 2013 #20
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #24
Raising awareness by being a jerk. longship May 2013 #25
Please consider this.... xocet May 2013 #61
My issue wasn't about her claims. longship May 2013 #62
There is no reason not to stand by what you posted. xocet May 2013 #79
Not suspecting anything about her motivation. longship May 2013 #82
No problem. Thanks for the conversation. n/t xocet May 2013 #83
You are welcome. longship May 2013 #84
Some folks simply insist... TheIdiot May 2013 #90
She did an excellent job showing she doesn't know what she's talking about. (nt) jeff47 May 2013 #22
I support Code Pink because they're non-violent, but this woman BlueCaliDem May 2013 #32
Not sure she what she accomplished tblue May 2013 #40
! KG May 2013 #18
Now all the conversation is about code pink, not Guantanamo. dkf May 2013 #27
In the press maybe, but it won't affect any legislation ucrdem May 2013 #28
No, but Obama was trying to get control of the narrative, trying to lead instead of being caught dkf May 2013 #30
Medea Benjamin and #StandwithRand... SidDithers May 2013 #33
Golly. Add this to disrupting the Plame hearings jeff47 May 2013 #35
I was proud of Medea and support her action annm4peace May 2013 #38
Did you watch any mimi85 May 2013 #39
Yes I watched it annm4peace May 2013 #41
Rachel Maddow had on Jeremy Scahill annm4peace May 2013 #48
I did see that mimi85 May 2013 #85
She dared challenge and interrupt the President burnodo May 2013 #42
She "DARED CHALLENGE" the King? woo me with science May 2013 #56
You might of heard of this "Constitution" thing. jeff47 May 2013 #44
I don't think that's accurate. hughee99 May 2013 #64
There's several Congressional restrictions in place. jeff47 May 2013 #74
Yes, and this is another issue, hughee99 May 2013 #75
+1000 Somehow it's different when peace activists interrupt Obama from when forestpath May 2013 #60
If Bush were announcing that he wanted to close Gitmo, I'd be the first one to say MADem May 2013 #69
And I don't believe Obama any more than I'd believe Bush. Heard it all before! forestpath May 2013 #71
Well, that's your opinion. I don't remember Bush ever saying he wanted to close Gitmo, so I would MADem May 2013 #73
The White House could have sent someone to speak with this group of Americans annm4peace May 2013 #43
Some responses tweets from others who support the actions of Medea annm4peace May 2013 #45
The more I watch the clip annm4peace May 2013 #46
another reason I support Medea speaking Truth to Power to the President annm4peace May 2013 #47
All she wanted was a little attention. How sad! MjolnirTime May 2013 #49
She tried to rattle the Prez, utterly failed and then made a total ass of herself on Round 2 BeyondGeography May 2013 #50
She's a neocon tool mwrguy May 2013 #54
right because questioning the president is bad. Javaman May 2013 #58
No, but advancing right-wing conspiracies and sabotaging a progressive speech is. TekGryphon May 2013 #72
Code Pink, RW front group? hughee99 May 2013 #76
sabotaging a progressive speech? Javaman May 2013 #78
Did you even bother listening to what he was saying before her interruption? TekGryphon May 2013 #86
I listened to the whole thing and Javaman May 2013 #87
BS. He was addressing it before she interrupted. TekGryphon May 2013 #89
so the person who has 114 posts accuses me of pushing right wing theories... Javaman May 2013 #91
40k posts doesn't give you much of a grasp on reading comprehension, unfortunately. TekGryphon May 2013 #93
Have a great day. Javaman May 2013 #94
Oooops--watch what you say, watch what you do!!! MADem May 2013 #70
I was a Code Pink supporter early on when they were all about protesting the war in Iraq. Still Blue in PDX May 2013 #77
"HECKLER"? Code Pink also protested war criminal Bush, as did many of us. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #80
as obama moves to the center(which means moves to the right-by definition) dembotoz May 2013 #81
great Rplan,marginalize President Os important speech & make f 'in R heckler breaking news topic! Sunlei May 2013 #88

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
1. The code pink person HAS been identified as Medea Benjamin
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:39 PM
May 2013

Obama Masterfully Uses Code Pink Heckler To Make His Case That GITMO Must Be Closed
Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101664335

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. I don't think they HELP at all. I remember how they turned the Plame hearings--which were
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:45 PM
May 2013

important to me and many others--into a distracting, stupid joke. I don't understand why people support them--they undermine the causes they purport to support.

It is quite often like they have marching orders from Karl Rove.

What better way to denigrate or marginalize a position or point-of-view by having kooky, oddball, uncouth assholes touting it?

FSogol

(45,446 posts)
59. Looks like someone thinks Code Pink are above criticism.
Fri May 24, 2013, 11:16 AM
May 2013

At Fri May 24, 2013, 11:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I don't think they HELP at all. I remember how they turned the Plame hearings--which were
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=491312

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This is over-the-top: Code Pink takes marching orders from Karl Rove in the same way that President Obama is a Kenyan Communist.

This whole remark is simply an exercise in calling Code Pink names as is seen at the end of the last remark:

"...kooky, oddball, uncouth assholes..."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 24, 2013, 11:14 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: An opinion, and not alert-worthy.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: What a stupid alert. This is Democratic Underground, not Code Pink Underground. If you have to exaggerate someone's comments to make them seem worse than they are, you probably shouldn't be hitting alert. Hope this is a 6-0 Leave it and hope the Admins take a look.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: You do realize that whether this post is hidden or not depends on how many supporters or detractors of Code Pink are randomly chosen?

On that note, I vote hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Unbelievable--who knew that Code Pink were members of DU?
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:55 PM
May 2013

I think that alert was an abuse of the jury system, myself! Talk about bullying conduct--and the only thing more amazing is that three people went along with the charade. The alerter misrepresented my intent (quite deliberately, unless they are a very poor reader) --and the jurors either didn't read the post themselves, or went along with the game for other reasons.

The alerter said: Code Pink takes marching orders from Karl Rove in the same way that President Obama is a Kenyan Communist.
But I said: It is quite often like they have marching orders from Karl Rove. And my objection to them was that they were unfairly, childishly and rudely disrupting the POTUS, which is a far cry from associating him with Kenyan communism.

I never said they actually TAKE orders from Rove (and anyone reading the post can see that)--I said their conduct is LIKE that, and that's because they behave stupidly, and provide aid and strength to the GOP nutters with their anti-Plame/anti-Obama antics. I'm astounded at the inability to parse the written word by four DUers--or the eagerness to play "Gotcha." Oh well--it all becomes part and parcel of our permanent records here, the admins know who's who when it comes to these alerts, and is an interesting element of the "DU experience."

Quite often I serve on juries where I, personally, because I am an old fart and set in my ways, find the POV distasteful or offensive, but if it doesn't violate TOS, I do the right thing and vote to leave. Sometimes, too, I serve on juries where the alerted-upon poster is someone who has been a real jerk over the years, or shitty and mean to me or someone else on this board, and I manage to overcome temptation and not vote to hide IF the post doesn't deserve it.

The idea behind the jury system is to alert on uncivil behavior, not muzzle valid criticisms--and this alerter was trying to censor me because she or he did not like my opinion, which is one that is held by more than a few Democrats and DUers. Code Pink ARE NOT Democrats. The Democratic Party owes no loyalty to them. They are often disruptive and they don't add to the conversation--they are a self-aggrandizing, attention-seeking, childish crew who play a foolish "Look at MEEEEE" game and don't know how to effectively protest. They ARE helping Rove and his crew, even if that's not their intent. They are an object of derision and mockery from both sides of the aisle, and they serve--like it or not--as a rallying point for the right wing, who point, laugh and gain strength from their "antics." I'm sure the freeper crowd was thrilled with their most recent performance.

If they go right, I'll go left--and so will most people I know.

Thanks for posting those results FSogol, I truly do appreciate it--I love me a little transparency!

Response to Tx4obama (Reply #1)

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
9. The FACTS regarding GITMO, Obama, and Congress (for those that do not know them)
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:13 PM
May 2013

The reason GITMO is still open is because of CONGRESS, not Obama.

Read the updates, from the bottom of the page upwards here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/



Note: Regarding Politifact ratings: An important point about Obameter ratings: A Promise Broken rating does not necessarily constitute failure or mean that Obama failed to be an advocate for his promises. He could exert tremendous effort to fulfill any given promise but it could still die because of opposition in Congress. <SNIP> http://www.politifact.com/about/

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
14. Right, and that idiot clouded the issue.
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:22 PM
May 2013

By interrupting Obama in the middle of a speech in which he's outlining how he's going to pressure Congress to close Gitmo, and yelling at him to close it down right now, she just fortified the false notion that somehow Gitmo is open because Obama wants it open.

Absolute. Complete. Idiot.

I hope Code Pink disavows her. She'd be more at home at a Tea Party rally holding a misspelled sign.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
34. Code Pink cant disavow her....she is Code Pink
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:17 PM
May 2013

I know Medea personally and am actually someone who has always respected her courage and for taking stands....

I loved when she interrupted Lapierre of the NRA after Newtown....she has done many brave things...

But not today....I dont disagree with her points, but I think that what she did was very rude, very disrespectful, very stupid....she made herself the fool....she attacked the very person who can help accomplish her objectives and interrupted a live speech in such an amazingly rude way that I dont think she won points or made her point and cause, but rather looked like a nut job and so rude....Code Pink cant disavow her, because she is Code Pink. But people who have supported Code Pink in the past will no longer support her. She made Code Pink look crazy....even to the liberal, progressive Code Pink supporters like myself....i was very upset when I heard the interruptions and even more so when I found out it was her....

Sorry Medea....you went to far this time and did in my opinion a really stupid and wrong thing....lost credibility that I dont think can be regained....

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
51. I agree wholeheartedly. I have been a supporter of Code Pink but today's
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:59 PM
May 2013

rude display to the President of the United States went too far.
I don't remember ever seeing Medea haranging bush like she did
President Obama today.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
67. Her crew also did a great job making a mockery of the Plame hearing.
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:08 PM
May 2013

No one even remembers VP's testimony, because of the stupid pink-garbed idiots waving signs and making faces directly behind her. Those antics also made ALL the footage unusable for the cable/network news, and the issues VP raised never gained critical mass.

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
52. Hey, if you know her "personally"
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:27 AM
May 2013

Let her know next time you see her that many. many people think she is a fucking impertinent stupid immature jerk.
OK?

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
55. I actually
Fri May 24, 2013, 03:43 AM
May 2013

think the best way for the President to handle her, since she is the leader of a organization, would be to have a personal meeting with her, in the same way he engages Republicans. He could lay out the issues and let her know this isn't easy and the opposition he faces. That way, he can get her organization's support against those who really are obstructing the effort to close tanimo. I agree with her issues but her efforts are directed in the wrong direction. It should be a the rightwing Congress, corporate media ( such as FOX) and those fellow Americans supporting this agenda. Has she ever been invited to the White house for a one on one?

brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
57. So, the White House should schedule a meeting with anyone who's an obnoxious jerk?
Fri May 24, 2013, 07:00 AM
May 2013

That'll work out well.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. Krisp on a cracker, might as well put Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh in the Lincoln bedroom, then!
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:10 PM
May 2013

MADem

(135,425 posts)
66. +1!!! I hope you don't get alerted on for daring to speak the truth about what
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:05 PM
May 2013

happened at that speech. Apparently we have a few people here who will brook NO dissent!

I agree with your POV entirely.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. And Obama, classically, turns it into a WIN!
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:52 PM
May 2013

Even as he scolds her for not letting him finish a thought, he openly embraces her right to speech and permits it.

Boosh wouldn't have let her within 1000 yards of the building entrance.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
4. Just imagine
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:56 PM
May 2013

if it were a GOPer, Code Pink wouldn't be allowed in. As a matter of fact, it would been closed off to only kiss ass reporters, fake news, jon karl, et al.,

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
53. well, she was escorted out in this case, too, but
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:33 AM
May 2013

she was given a lot more leeway than she would have gotten under the last president. And Obama handled it with so much more grace (and intellectual agility) than bush would have.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
7. Gotta wonder who let her in.
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:12 PM
May 2013

Is it fascism to disinvite a celebrity protester from a counterterrorism speech?

Seriously, why would anyone let MB within a hundred yards of the auditorium on today of all days? A university is not a street or park and they surely wouldn't have let me or anyone else in if we'd just shown up and they hadn't cleared our credentials. Why would Benjamin be any different, with or without a press pass?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
12. I guess you could say that
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:18 PM
May 2013

but it took him awhile to find an angle. If she was planted by team Obama he'd have had a soundbyte at the ready.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
15. Fascism is . . .
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:35 PM
May 2013

Government run by Corporations.

I don't see how [Font color=Red]"dis-inviting a celebrity protester from a counter-terrorism speech"[/font] would be considered Fascist.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. It makes you wonder about his security.
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:41 PM
May 2013

Like, does he have any? If they don't know who Medea Benjamin is by now they're in the wrong line of work.

Response to aggiesal (Original post)

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
13. Every organization has their nitwits, this was Code Pink's
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:20 PM
May 2013

I don't know how on earth she thought protesting the biggest advocate on closing Gitmo this nation has, by disrupting a speech on a renewed push to close Gitmo, would somehow advance her cause.

Come on, Code Pink. Control your people. If you know you've got a lady in your group that's a few bulbs short of a box, don't leave her alone to sabotage the cause.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
19. You're in California?
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:01 PM
May 2013

wiki says she ran against Feinstein in 2000 and got 3.1% which in Calif is nothing to sneeze at. I voted in that election and don't remember seeing her on the ballot. That it doesn't mean she wasn't, as it was 13 years ago and 3rd party candidates are as frequent as flies California. Usually they're retired or semi-employed and merit little or no press attention. But it wouldn't explain why anyone let her into this or any event.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
23. Yes, I am in CA --
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:22 PM
May 2013

and chose Medea over Feinstein -- it was a no brainer. Feinstein hasn't gotten my vote since her first run.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
26. Okay I remember Global Exchange from the Clinton years
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:34 PM
May 2013

but I didn't realize she was part of it til I just looked her up. I only became aware of her when Code Pink hit the scene around 2004. But she seems to have a respectable past so I suppose it's possible that she has friends who can get her invitations to important events. But geez, you'd think somebody on the security side would have made a phone call or two when they saw her name on the guest list.

longship

(40,416 posts)
20. I don't know much about her.
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:03 PM
May 2013

But she acted like a fucking jerk today.

Obama was willing to engage her and she continued acting like an asshole. Even after the President asked her politely to let him respond she persisted with her rude interruptions. She wasn't interested in hearing anything. She just wanted to be a jerk.

I had heard her name but I had no idea about her until today. She's a fucking jerk, IMHO.

Response to longship (Reply #20)

xocet

(3,871 posts)
61. Please consider this....
Fri May 24, 2013, 11:50 AM
May 2013

She did come across as a jerk, but it seems that sometimes that is the only way to get an issue out into the public eye. If the big picture is considered, what she did is much less "being a jerk" than what is being done to innocent civilians in other countries by our drone program.

What are a few loud words in comparison to brutally killing civilians whose only crime is to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Her point - though it was hard to make out due to low volume - is that drone strikes will likely radicalize more people against the USA than will be taken out by the strikes; i.e., that there will be a net increase in the threat to the USA.

President Obama presented the argument that other ways of neutralizing the targets of the drone strikes would cause even more radicalization than the interdiction does. Thus, the underlying issue was minimized and swept aside without any public debate of the issue. The President never had any intention of addressing the issues to which she referred. Why would he? It would only make his job harder and increase the likelihood he would say something that the Republicans would twist and use against him in the future.

Simply put, the USA should not be in the practice of killing innocent civilians at all. That is really the main point. Is the entire world really a legitimate battlefield? If not pressing a button will prevent the death of an innocent person, why press the button? Is the security concern really that imminent or is the use of drones to kill just that easy and politically cheap in our country?

Drone strikes kill, maim and traumatize too many civilians, U.S. study says
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 8:33 PM EDT, Tue September 25, 2012

(CNN) -- U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective, according to a new study released Tuesday.

...

In contrast to more conservative U.S. statements, the Stanford/NYU report -- titled "Living Under Drones" -- offers starker figures published by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, an independent organization based at City University in London.

"TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.

Based on interviews with witnesses, victims and experts, the report accuses the CIA of "double-striking" a target, moments after the initial hit, thereby killing first responders.

...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes


If CNN is not an acceptable source, here is the Stanford/NYU study that discusses the issue:

Living Under Drones: Death, Injury and Trauma to Civilians from US Drone Practices in Pakistan

Acknowledgments

This report is the result of nine months of research by the International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic of Stanford Law School (Stanford Clinic) and the Global Justice Clinic at New York University School of Law (NYU Clinic). Professor James Cavallaro and Clinical Lecturer Stephan Sonnenberg led the Stanford Clinic team; Professor Sarah Knuckey led the NYU Clinic team. Adelina Acuña, Mohammad M. Ali, Anjali Deshmukh, Jennifer Gibson, Jennifer Ingram, Dimitri Phillips, Wendy Salkin, and Omar Shakir were the student research team at Stanford; Christopher Holland was the student researcher from NYU. Supervisors Cavallaro, Sonnenberg, and Knuckey, as well as student researchers Acuña, Ali, Deshmukh, Gibson, Salkin, and Shakir participated in the fact-finding investigations to Pakistan.

In December 2011, Reprieve, a charity based in the United Kingdom, contacted the Stanford Clinic to ask whether it would be interested in conducting independent investigations into whether, and to what extent, drone strikes in Pakistan conformed to international law and caused harm and/or injury to civilians. The Stanford Clinic agreed to undertake independent fact-finding and analysis on these questions, as well as others related to drone strikes and targeted killings in Pakistan, beginning in December 2011. Later, the NYU Clinic agreed to join the research project and participated in the second research trip to Pakistan, as well as in additional research, writing, and editing of this report.

In the course of the research, the Stanford and NYU Clinics have exchanged information and logistical support with Reprieve and its partner organization in Pakistan, the Foundation for Fundamental Rights (FFR). The latter organization assisted in contacting many of the potential interviewees, particularly those who reside in North Waziristan, and in the difficult work of arranging interviews. The Stanford and NYU Clinics designed the research project, analyzed information, and drafted and edited the report independently from Reprieve and FFR.

Cavallaro, Knuckey, and Sonnenberg supervised and directed the preparation of the report, oversaw the writing, and served as the final editors of this publication. Students Acuña, Ali, Deshmukh, Gibson, and Shakir drafted initial sections of the report. Acuña, Ali, Gibson and Shakir synthesized and restructured the initial draft sections. Holland from the NYU Clinic also assisted with research for the report. Firas Abuzeid, Jennifer Ingram, Usman Liaqat, Clara Long, Waqas Mustafeez, Ada Sheng, and Zade Shakir assisted the research team in the review and fact-checking of the final version.

...

http://www.livingunderdrones.org/report/

longship

(40,416 posts)
62. My issue wasn't about her claims.
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:03 PM
May 2013

My issue was that she was in a winning position when the President acknowledged her and even politely responded to her. A reasonable person would then have let him speak. If she had further questions she could have reasonably expected that he would listen.

But no! That wasn't good enough for her. She apparently decided that interrupting was the best strategy against someone who is trying to politely engage her.

I will stand by what I posted. Medea Benjamin looked like a jerk, which the world now highly suspects is her true character, including me. Nice work, Ms. Benjamin. You pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
79. There is no reason not to stand by what you posted.
Sat May 25, 2013, 01:34 AM
May 2013

My only request was that you consider that there is no dialog on these issues with the President. He still apparently feels that it is more than alright to kill innocent civilians including Al-Awlaki's 16-yr-old son, a US citizen, by drone strike - it is just a cost of doing business.

A speech is a one-way event, and the crowd usually only listens unless there is a Q&A afterwards. The only way to get a message out to a larger audience is to try to make it heard at the larger event.

There is no need to suspect anything about her motivation or her character. Here is an interview:

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/24/that_woman_is_worth_paying_attention

longship

(40,416 posts)
82. Not suspecting anything about her motivation.
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:59 AM
May 2013

But her character is a bit sucky if she thinks what she did helped her case in any way. She tried to shout down the President when he had just acknowledged her.

She acted like a jerk. I have no respect for somebody who acts like that.

I am sorry that I have to disagree with you, but here we are.

TheIdiot

(264 posts)
90. Some folks simply insist...
Sun May 26, 2013, 07:45 PM
May 2013

... on killing the messenger - that's way easier than dealing with the message.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
32. I support Code Pink because they're non-violent, but this woman
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:44 PM
May 2013

was being a real jerk, and because of it, I'm beginning to doubt Code Pink's activist arm.

The president was explaining how he was going to close Gitmo and she bursts into this heckling, taking away what I wanted to hear the president to say {which, when he got the chance to explain it, was good news to me that he isn't done fighting for it's closing}. I wished she had waited at least until he was finished before she heckled, but I guess she knew where the speech was leading to and it didn't look as if her pre-planned heckling would have made much sense then - so interrupt the president and hurl all kinds of accusations at him to at least make her day productive, I guess.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
40. Not sure she what she accomplished
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:25 PM
May 2013

I am all for Peace. I bought a Code Pink t-shirt because I thought I related to what they tried to do. But I am not sure what she accomplished today besides making a lot of people annoyed with Code Pink. I know it is damn near impossible to get a non-corporate message broadcast on tv so I don't have any suggestions for how to do it better. I just think this heckling makes people dismissive of what should be a compelling message and an effective organization. I want what they want though. I really do. I think.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
27. Now all the conversation is about code pink, not Guantanamo.
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:36 PM
May 2013

Great move...NOT!!! She undermined her own cause.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
30. No, but Obama was trying to get control of the narrative, trying to lead instead of being caught
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:41 PM
May 2013

by the next scandal.

She took control away from him by being so obnoxious. This is NOT what he needs. It won't help him do what she wants.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
35. Golly. Add this to disrupting the Plame hearings
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:28 PM
May 2013

and it's almost like she's not interested in helping the causes she claims to support.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
38. I was proud of Medea and support her action
Thu May 23, 2013, 08:48 PM
May 2013

and it wasn't just Medea there, next to her stood ret. Col Ann Wright (another incredible citizen) who resigned her position as diplomate

I really can't understand the negative comments about Medea by DU'rs. She is trying

Under the NDAA the President CAN release those at Guantanamo. He should have done it in the 1st year and he could have.

Things are beyond desperate at Guantanamo. Check out "Cage Prisoners"

There are innocent men who have been on a hunger strike for over 100 days and are close to dying. They need to see action that they are being released not more empty words.

Medea and many of us are tired of the empty words from the President. It isn't the 1st time he has said he has pushed for the closing of Guantanamo... and it probably won't be the last.

I have many in many protests and actions since 2003 to bring attention to the illegal action at Guantanamo.

Medea has seen the result of our war and occupations in Iraq, and Afghanistan and drone attacks in Pakistan.

I'm glad she spoke out, she spoke for me and for many americans who are sickened by what our Government is doing.

The President could meet with Medea and other Peace activists.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
39. Did you watch any
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:07 PM
May 2013

of the MSNBC shows after the speech? Keep an open mind and watch the reruns. Especially Chris Hayes. Haven't seen LO yet of course, but I am looking forward to it. You may be surprised.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
41. Yes I watched it
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:30 PM
May 2013

I watched Chris Hayes... and then Rachel Maddow who shows how many times Obama has said he would close Guantanamo and other poiticians who have said they are going to close Guantanamo.

Maybe someone from the White House could go to Guantanamo and talk to these innocent men and apologize and let them know they are going home or to a new home and will be reunited with their family members.

The 1st time there was a hunger strike at Guantanamo it was because of the mistreatment of the Children that were being held at Guantanamo.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
48. Rachel Maddow had on Jeremy Scahill
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:53 PM
May 2013

It is important that people listen to Jeremy Scahill and all his facts.

I wish they had Jeremy Scahill on Network shows so the rest of the US public could hear some facts.

and don't get me started on how may children have died because of Drone attacks.

maybe you can go buy Medea's book on Drones.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
85. I did see that
Sat May 25, 2013, 05:47 PM
May 2013

and he made a good point (although I wonder if he ever smiles). Anyway, there are nowhere the tens of thousands being killed when Dubya was President. Sadly, these things just can't be stopped overnight. We're out of Iraq now and it looks like they're going back to their old ways.

I would love to see us come home immediately from anywhere there are troops in the world; I just don't think humans are capable of being truly peaceful. When I was much younger we did a lot of screaming and yelling - we got out of Vietnam just to end up somewhere else.

I think Medea could have made her point in a less obtrusive way. Her message was lost and the press just called her "a heckler." Didn't accomplish much. At least PBO treated her with respect which is more than you can say for her behavior.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
42. She dared challenge and interrupt the President
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:30 PM
May 2013

and, in another thread, she's now associated with Rand Paul by default

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
56. She "DARED CHALLENGE" the King?
Fri May 24, 2013, 04:47 AM
May 2013

I mean, the elected public servant?

OFF WITH HER HEAD!



Oh, the idiocy of this authoritarian-speak.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
44. You might of heard of this "Constitution" thing.
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:35 PM
May 2013

It gives Congress absolute power over spending.

Under the NDAA the President CAN release those at Guantanamo.

Yes, but there's a problem with that. Congress has forbidden any money be spent to do so.

So it really doesn't matter if Obama has the power to close it. To actually do so without abandoning the detainees in place requires spending money.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
64. I don't think that's accurate.
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:46 PM
May 2013

Congress is withholding funds for relocating the "detainees" to another prison somewhere else. If they are RELEASED, the government can pay to fly them to their home country, they are not stuck in Guantanamo. The president has the power to release them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
74. There's several Congressional restrictions in place.
Fri May 24, 2013, 05:55 PM
May 2013

In addition, there's several prisoners who are no longer welcome in their home countries.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
75. Yes, and this is another issue,
Fri May 24, 2013, 06:02 PM
May 2013

but none of the financial restrictions congress has set prevent the president from releasing prisoners, and sending them back to their home countries if those countries will have them.

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
60. +1000 Somehow it's different when peace activists interrupt Obama from when
Fri May 24, 2013, 11:33 AM
May 2013

if it was Bush they were interrupting.

Funny how that works.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
69. If Bush were announcing that he wanted to close Gitmo, I'd be the first one to say
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:19 PM
May 2013

"Shut up, you loudmouth protesters, and let the man talk."

It's not about the situation being 'different' --it's about POV. And there's nothing "funny" about that at all.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. Well, that's your opinion. I don't remember Bush ever saying he wanted to close Gitmo, so I would
Fri May 24, 2013, 04:34 PM
May 2013

have actually LIKED to have heard that before.

If you don't believe our POTUS, if you think he's a liar, well, why are you even here at DU?

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
43. The White House could have sent someone to speak with this group of Americans
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:31 PM
May 2013

100 Day Guantanamo Hunger Strike Press Conference at National Press Club Thursday, May 16, 10am

Washington, DC -- On Thursday, May 16th at 10am CODEPINK will be hosting a press conference in the Zenger Room at the National Press Club. As the health of the striking prisoners deteriorates, human rights advocates and military officials are speaking out, calling on President Obama to take immediate action to close the prison.

Speakers (full bios below):
Colonel Morris Davis, former Guantanamo Chief Prosecutor
Carlos Warner, lawyer for eleven Guantanamo Bay detainees
Captain Jason Wright, JAG lawyer for two Guantanamo Bay detainees
Imam Mahdi Bray, Executive Director of the Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation
Diane Wilson, military veteran on a hunger strike since May 1 to close Guantanamo
Medea Benjamin, moderator, CODEPINK cofounder

The following day, Friday May 17th, marking the 100th day of the beginning of the hunger strike, a coalition of activists will stage a vigil in front of the White House from noon until 1:00 pm. They will don orange jumpsuits like the ones worn in Guantanamo, read the names of the prisoners and letters from their families. Colonel Morris Davis will deliver his change.org petition, with over 200,000 signatures, to the White House.

CODEPINK has launched an urgent call to save the lives of the 130 prisoners on hunger strike in Guantanamo and has been staging actions across DC for the last several weeks. Over 1,200 people from around the world have joined a rolling hunger strike. Diane Wilson, who will be speaking at the press conference, has been on a water-only hunger strike since May 1st and intends to continue her strike until the prisoners cleared for release begin to be freed.

Speaker bios:

Colonel Morris Davis: Colonel Morris D. Davis (born July 31, 1958) is a United States Air Force officer and lawyer, was appointed to serve as the third Chief Prosecutor of the Guantanamo military commissions September 2005 until October 2007. He resigned from the position due to objecting to the appointment of William J. Jaynes, II, former General Counsel of the Department of Defense, as Presiding Officer of the commissions. He retired from active duty in October 2008 and has been speaking out publicly against the continued operations at Guantanamo Bay prison.

Captain Jason Wright represents two Guantanamo Bay detainees facing trial
before the U.S. Military Commissions: U.S. v. Khalid Shaikh Mohammad and U.S.
v. Obaidullah. Mr. Mohammad’s capital case is currently in active litigation, and
Mr. Obaidullah remains uncharged despite enduring more than 11 years of
detention.

In August 2011, CPT Wright was assigned to the Office of the Chief Defense Counsel for the U.S. Military Commissions and now splits his time between their offices in Washington, D.C. and U.S. Naval Station Guantanamo Bay.

Carlos Warner
Carlos is an Assistant Public Defender for the Northern District of Ohio. He has been a public defender for 15 years. He, along with his colleagues, represent 11 men held at Guantanamo Bay, including Yemeni men cleared for release. He has worked tirelessly to close Guantanamo both publicly and behind the scenes. He still believes with the President's will and force, the prison could be shuttered in a year.

Imam Mahdi Bray is a long-time civil and human rights activist currently serving as the Executive Director of the Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation (MAS Freedom), and former President of the Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations (CCMO). Imam Bray serves on the Board of Directors of the Interfaith Alliance, Interfaith Worker Justice and is a national co-convener of Religions of Peace-USA. He has served as political advisor and strategist to several national state and local political campaigns. Imam Bray has served as a liaison between the President's White House Faith-Based Initiative Program and Congressional Affairs on behalf of the Muslim Community.

Medea Benjamin is cofounder of the peace group CODEPINK and the human rights group Global Exchange. She has worked for years to close Guantanamo, including organizing a march of former prisoners and family members of present prisoners to the Cuban side of Guantanamo. She is author of several books on US policy, including Drone Warfare: Killing by Remote Control.

Diane Wilson is an environmental activist, anti-war activist, an author, and a fourth generation shrimper from Texas. She is a co-founder of the anti-war organization CODEPINK. She has been on a water-only hunger strike since May 1st in solidarity with the prisoners and intends to continue her strike until the prisoners cleared for release begin to be freed. On May 10, Ms. Wilson, a grandmother, was arrested at the White House for chaining herself, by her neck, to the fence.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
45. Some responses tweets from others who support the actions of Medea
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:39 PM
May 2013

From Jeremy Scahill
In disrupting Obama's speech, @medeabenjamin asked POTUS a question no journalist has: What about the killing of 16 yr old Abdulrahman?

For people angry with @medeabenjamin/Code Pink, has it occurred to you that maybe the WH press corp should actually ask these questions?

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
47. another reason I support Medea speaking Truth to Power to the President
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

Omar Farah, a lawyer with the Center for Constitutional Rights, agreed, saying that Obama's words needed to be matched with action. Farah accused the president of over-relying on the good will of Congress to agree to help close the base. "Many of [the detainees] can be released starting tomorrow without Congressional assistance. In light of the tragedy unfolding at the prison, swift action is imperative. Until we see that, the president's speech is just that – a speech," Farah said.

BeyondGeography

(39,345 posts)
50. She tried to rattle the Prez, utterly failed and then made a total ass of herself on Round 2
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:32 PM
May 2013

Didn't get the reaction she wanted on the first try. Sheer vanity.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
72. No, but advancing right-wing conspiracies and sabotaging a progressive speech is.
Fri May 24, 2013, 04:10 PM
May 2013

She's either a cognitively disabled idiot or she's on the payroll of the Koch Brothers.

There's no other explanation for doing what she did.

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
78. sabotaging a progressive speech?
Sat May 25, 2013, 12:56 AM
May 2013

code pink didn't know what was in the speech before hand so how could the "sabotage" it?

Sorry, but I'm not buying what you are drinking.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
86. Did you even bother listening to what he was saying before her interruption?
Sun May 26, 2013, 12:47 AM
May 2013

Because it's obvious she wasn't.

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
87. I listened to the whole thing and
Sun May 26, 2013, 04:06 PM
May 2013

when she interrupted, Obama stated he was getting to that.

So you were saying?

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
89. BS. He was addressing it before she interrupted.
Sun May 26, 2013, 06:43 PM
May 2013

Making excuses for promoting right wing conspiracy theories. Pathetic.

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
91. so the person who has 114 posts accuses me of pushing right wing theories...
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:03 AM
May 2013


have a great day, I love your comedy style.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
93. 40k posts doesn't give you much of a grasp on reading comprehension, unfortunately.
Tue May 28, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

I said you were making excuses for someone pushing right-wing conspiracies, not that you were promoting right-wing conspiracies yourself.

If you need my help breaking down sentence structures to identify subjects, let me know. $50 an hour tutoring and you can submit payment over PayPal.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
70. Oooops--watch what you say, watch what you do!!!
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:22 PM
May 2013

Hell hath no fury like Medea fans scorned! I got alerted on for saying that she sounds like she's carrying Rove's water!

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)
77. I was a Code Pink supporter early on when they were all about protesting the war in Iraq.
Fri May 24, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

I don't recall exactly when I decided they weren't speaking for me, but it's been quite a few years since I unsubscribed from their mailing list and retired my pink Converse sneakers.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
80. "HECKLER"? Code Pink also protested war criminal Bush, as did many of us.
Sat May 25, 2013, 05:15 AM
May 2013

Are all those who would stand up and challenge the mountain of BULLSHIT we face every day, "hecklers"? And did any here love Code Pink when they challenged Bush, but don't like them now that they're challenging Obama and this administration's bullshit?

Protesting is patriotic. This country was founded upon protest against bullshit. Fuck the corporate-owned media for mocking those representing the very foundation of this country. Their agenda is clear.

dembotoz

(16,784 posts)
81. as obama moves to the center(which means moves to the right-by definition)
Sat May 25, 2013, 10:45 AM
May 2013

why would anyone be surprised that his is being attacked by some on the left?

I consider myself much more of a lefty than Obama is
and that distance is growing

and being left of Obama is not that hard-I see more and more facebook posts from ofa members who are shocked
at what he is doing and are questioning their support.
These folks are not out there lefties(which would be me-I confess)
These folks are his base

he ignores them at the parties peril

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