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Omaha Steve

(99,582 posts)
Tue May 28, 2013, 06:33 AM May 2013

Gun control supporters facing recall bids in Colo.

Source: AP-Excite

By KRISTEN WYATT

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) - A Democratic campaign office here usually would be quiet this time of year, a few weeks after the state's legislature wrapped up work and lawmakers headed off to summer vacations.

But even though it's not an election year, the office is in full campaign mode, with volunteers working the phones and reviewing maps in anticipation of a new front of modern campaigning - the recall phase.

A handful of Democratic state lawmakers in Colorado face recall petition efforts in what looks to be the first wave of fallout over legislative votes to limit gun rights. In an era in which recall efforts are booming, from governor's offices down to town councils and school boards, the Colorado efforts will serve as the first test of gun-rights groups' ability to punish elected officials who expanded gun control laws after last year's Aurora, Colo., and Newtown, Conn., shooting massacres.

In Colorado, gun-rights activists wasted no time seeking recalls to oust state Senate President John Morse and three other Democratic lawmakers. The targeted lawmakers weren't necessarily the main advocates for ratcheting back gun rights, but all come from districts with enough Republicans to give opponents hope they can boot out the Democrats and replace them with lawmakers friendlier to guns. Colorado is the only state outside the East Coast to have adopted significant statewide gun controls this year.

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Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130528/DA6I64BG2.html





In this photo taken May 24, 2013, Paradise Firearms owner Paul Paradis holds a flyer depicting Colorado's State Senate President, Democrat John Morse, together with a petition to recall him, right, at his gun shop in Colorado Springs, Colo. Paradis and other gun-rights activists are seeking the ouster of Morse for his support of new laws that restrict ammunition magazines and expand background checks to include private gun sales. (AP Photo/Ed Andrieski)

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Gun control supporters facing recall bids in Colo. (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2013 OP
The People vs. The Gun Lobby blkmusclmachine May 2013 #1
We, the Colorado voters, do. Mr. David May 2013 #6
I feel so sad for these poor pitiful gun lovers and lethal weapons profiteers. Hoyt May 2013 #2
'Ratcheting back gun rights' or "Right to Life"? graegoyle May 2013 #3
Linking gun control with anti-choice may not be the best idea hack89 May 2013 #4
I think you are close to seeing the irony. graegoyle May 2013 #10
Weren't recalls once limited to removing people who showed gross negligence in office? Mike Daniels May 2013 #5
That is why the Republicans, NRA, gun lovers are being exposed for EXACTLY what they are. Mr. David May 2013 #7
"Weren't recalls once limited to removing people who showed gross negligence in office?" Jenoch May 2013 #9
It's conservatives holding their breaths. Too bad they don't turn blue.. mountain grammy May 2013 #8
Diana DeGette legacy... SoulSearcher May 2013 #11
of course they are. they hate the democratic process. frylock May 2013 #12
Why do they "hate the democratic process"? It seems like they're trying to follow it. n/t hughee99 May 2013 #14
so you think we should just recall anyone elected that we don't care for? frylock May 2013 #15
You're right, fuck those guys in Colorado and Wisconsin! hughee99 May 2013 #16
apples frylock May 2013 #19
Yes. It all depends on whose ox is being gored. n/t hughee99 May 2013 #20
yes. people's livelihood vs people's ability to stockpile ammo and weaponry.. frylock May 2013 #21
I don't have a problem figuring out which side to be on in WI or CO. hughee99 May 2013 #22
Did you feel that way about Scott Walker? (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #17
outline the similarities, if you will.. frylock May 2013 #18
A Governor proposed a bill and a legislature passed it ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #23
They've got regular elections for that... Blue_Tires May 2013 #24
Why do they need more? hughee99 May 2013 #25
It's still setting a shitty, sour-grapes precedent... Blue_Tires May 2013 #27
It's not really setting a precedent. hughee99 May 2013 #28
WTF is it with the right and bad toupees? bitchkitty May 2013 #13
These folks think their guns compensate for a lot of things. Hoyt May 2013 #26
 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
6. We, the Colorado voters, do.
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:08 AM
May 2013

NRA can go get fucked.

Speaking as a native Coloradan here. I support GUN CONTROL.

If we haven't learned from Aurora and Columbine, then we have learned NOTHING AT ALL.

The Democratic Senators who are facing recalls will get MASSIVE support, despite NRA money pouring in the state.

We're already tired of the bullshit.

Not only the Democratic Party will win, but the NRA support will grow even weaker as the time goes along.

The voters CAN and should replace their Republican counterparts for more sane Democratic ones. Tea party is starting to stink up the right.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. I feel so sad for these poor pitiful gun lovers and lethal weapons profiteers.
Tue May 28, 2013, 07:24 AM
May 2013

Maybe they ought to find something worthwhile to get upset over besides friggin guns.

Good luck to Senator Morse. Hope this recall effort is a failure like several others the gun lobby in Colorado has pursued.

graegoyle

(532 posts)
3. 'Ratcheting back gun rights' or "Right to Life"?
Tue May 28, 2013, 07:53 AM
May 2013

How about we start refering to reasonable efforts to put reasonable limitations and responsibilities on gun ownership--which is supported by a large percentage of citizens--as "Right to Life"?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
4. Linking gun control with anti-choice may not be the best idea
Tue May 28, 2013, 08:43 AM
May 2013

"Right to Life" means anti-abortion to most Americans.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
5. Weren't recalls once limited to removing people who showed gross negligence in office?
Tue May 28, 2013, 08:48 AM
May 2013

I remember that recalls used to be relatively rare and were basically limited to trying to remove someone from office who showed gross incompetence or had incurred something that made his/her continued presesnce a liability to effective goverment.

Nowadays they seem to be used to overturn the results of elections of officials that vote against a certain group's interest.

Is this something new or have recalls always been used in an attempt to overturn an election result and it just gets more attention now?

 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
7. That is why the Republicans, NRA, gun lovers are being exposed for EXACTLY what they are.
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:10 AM
May 2013

And they will fail, MASSIVELY.

Gun control is an hot topic in Colorado. The two tragedies, 1999 and 2012 are still fresh on our minds.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
9. "Weren't recalls once limited to removing people who showed gross negligence in office?"
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:04 AM
May 2013

That is still the way it works in Minnesota.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
8. It's conservatives holding their breaths. Too bad they don't turn blue..
Tue May 28, 2013, 09:11 AM
May 2013

they're too chickenshit to hold their breaths that long, they just stay red and angry. That's Colorado Springs.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
15. so you think we should just recall anyone elected that we don't care for?
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:06 PM
May 2013

is that what you're in favor of doing? wasting MILLIONS of dollars to placate these crybaby motherfuckers? there was an election. they lost.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
21. yes. people's livelihood vs people's ability to stockpile ammo and weaponry..
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:04 PM
May 2013

hmmmmnn... who to side with on this one. such a dilemma.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
22. I don't have a problem figuring out which side to be on in WI or CO.
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:26 PM
May 2013

But then I'm not the one who suggested that a recall was a waste of money since there was an election and they lost... and then had to try to explain why it's different when it's done for reasons I support.

I don't have an issue with having a recall no matter who's doing it. If enough people don't support it, they won't even have one at all.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
18. outline the similarities, if you will..
Wed May 29, 2013, 12:48 PM
May 2013

you know, aside from the obvious. how does this legislation compare with Walker's dismantling of collective bargaining?

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
23. A Governor proposed a bill and a legislature passed it
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:53 PM
May 2013

And it went through court challenges to it's constitutionality and survived.

The people of Wisconsin went to a recall process as is their right, and got mixed results on the legislative end and a bad one on Walker. The bottom line is recalls are in place and if people have the grounds to do so, that's part of the process.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
24. They've got regular elections for that...
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:27 PM
May 2013

I hope these people have something more substantial in their recall position other than "The state senator didn't vote how I wanted on the gun issue..."

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
25. Why do they need more?
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:32 PM
May 2013

If this is all they have, and enough people of the state don't think it's a good reason, they won't have a recall election.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
27. It's still setting a shitty, sour-grapes precedent...
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:44 PM
May 2013

and it cheapens the real, legit reasons to recall an elected official...

Naturally, it didn't escape my notice that the organizer of this recall doesn't even LIVE in Morse's goddamned district (sort of like Walker getting 99.999% of his millions from shady, out-of-state sources)...And even the organizer admits it's as much about getting a Dem out of office as it is about the gun vote...Looks like a circumvention of democracy to me....

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
28. It's not really setting a precedent.
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:53 PM
May 2013

There's a pretty established history of special interest groups threatening a recall petition over specific legislation. Usually, though not always, they can't get enough support to even get the question on a ballot.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
13. WTF is it with the right and bad toupees?
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:25 AM
May 2013

Don't they sell natural looking hair for men in Colorado? If that was my only choice, I would just shave my head.

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