California teen misses trip, 5 friends die in crash
Source: AP
NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. (AP) Tamer Mosallam was supposed to get picked up on Memorial Day for a trip to the beach with friends, but his father had other ideas and the carload of teens left him behind.
It would be the last time the 17-year-old would see his friends alive. The five teens two boys and three girls died late Monday afternoon in a fiery wreck that left the car they were riding in split in two and engulfed in flames. Among the victims were two of Mosallam's closest friends and a pair of sisters who had performed in a high school dance extravaganza over the holiday weekend.
"I was supposed to be with them in the car, that's why there were three girls," Mosallam said, explaining that he was to have been the third boy for a three-way double date. "They came to my house but my dad wouldn't let me go out because I was studying for a test."
A visibly shaken Mosallam and several dozen other students from Irvine Unified School District, where all the victims were enrolled, gathered outside Irvine High School on Tuesday to try to make sense of the tragedy.
Police said speed was a factor in the single-car wreck on a busy, six-lane surface street and the investigation was ongoing.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/calif-teen-misses-trip-5-friends-die-crash
OMG. No words.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)How many kids have to die due to speed before they get it in to their heads that a car is meant to be used responsibly? Ditto for texting while driving. In one similar accident with a car full of girls, the driver was texting and lost control of the vehicle. A 16 year old girl died recently on her first solo ride because she attempted to text and drive. She struck the side of an 18 wheeler.
LeftinOH
(5,353 posts)"carload of teenagers"; "single-vehicle wreck" and "speed".
I bombard my teenage nieces and nephews with horror stories like this one -hoping that they learn something.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"occupants were not wearing seatbelts"
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The only couple I knew had an accident was on their way back from the beach one weekend on their motorcycle. It wasn't their fault, they were run over by a drunk driver.
They survived, but the girl told us the harrowing tale of how the EMTs thought she was dead and didn't pay any attention to her for what seemed like an eternity, when they realized she wasn't and were surprised. They got a car and got married.
Health classes also had films of what a person's lungs looked like in three conditions, cut up so we could see it in color. From dead people, obviously...
Non-smoker had pink lungs. One-year smoker had gray. Many years smoker had almost black and with visible, shiny tar in the lower lobes. Very few of us smoked, despite the movies and television pushing it.
As for STDs, they were pretty graphic about what that would look like. Those images and the names of the diseases (this was before HPV and HIV) followed a film of a couple sitting up in the back seat of a car looking embarrassed. A girl I knew who'd been having sex with her boyfriend swore off then.
Years later the school had a flick in the auditorium with the cops telling us not to smoke pot. They showed Reefer Madness and everyone laughed.
You say you tell the kids; what do they tell the kids in school?
whistler162
(11,155 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Cared enough to make him stay home and study.
And this is NOT a commentary about the other teens or their parents. Just saying that this kid's father did the right thing for HIS son.
Sad that he lost his friends, but he's lucky to be alive himself.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)i first thought it was 2 cars wrecked and then they said it was one car that had split in 2.
onlyadream
(2,165 posts)I have a 16yo who is learning to drive. I honestly hope we all get thru this.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)Like somebody else posted, recently a 16 year old got killed on her first solo trip. Run into the truck. A large unsend text was found on her cell phone.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Anything could have happened had he gone, including his death, or everyone still being alive.
A tragic accident for those involved.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)Maybe he would have told them to slow the fuck down... or... LOOK OUT!!
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)indie9197
(509 posts)It is possible that if he went the whole accident would never have happened. Life is crazy. And precious.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)I would have never let my kid get into a souped up car with only 5 seat-belts and 6 intended passengers. It wasn't blind luck that kept the kid out of the car, it was high precision parental paranoia.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)they'd never have known how close they came. Probably happens more than any of us know.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Final Destination Series
SpankMe
(2,956 posts)* Transporting passengers under 20 years of age, at any time for the first twelve months.
* Driving between the hours of 11:00 PM and 5:00 AM for the first twelve months.
Essentially, teens may not drive with other teens in the car without a legal guardian for their first year of licensed driving. This is because teens invariably try to show off to and impress their friends by driving fast and dangerously.
I see several of these stories per year here in California alone where a hot shot teenage boy is doing 90 mph on a residential street, smiling and laughing, and then suddenly turns himself and his buddies into hamburger.
Teens (especially boys) are clueless, undisciplined, brain-underdeveloped idiots by their very nature. I was one, and I now have two of my own. So, I know.
The restriction I describe above should be changed from "one year" to "until the driver is 18 years of age". In other words - you can't drive anyone else under 20 in a car AT ALL (w/ out a guardian) until you are 18 years old. Period.
And driver's education should be mandatory for all first time teen drivers, with an extensive section on what speed does to you and on the mandatory-ness (if I can invent a word) on going slow and easy.
This story pisses me off more than it does cause me sorrow. I'm too mad at the driver for his poor judgment. And I'm angry at the other kids for not yelling at him to slow down.
lobodons
(1,290 posts)They'd most likely all be alive today if he had gone with them. Sure, the driver would have still gone fast and drove wildly, but the same crash would not have happened.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)How is one more person in the car would have prevented this driver from losing control?
nikto
(3,284 posts)A little reality-based negative reinforcement, straight from the morgue,
goes a long way.
Back in the 60s in HS we all laughed at "The Last Prom" (pretty mild stuff by today's
standards).
But it had an affect on me.
Perhaps I was the only one?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)... so not sure if I'm "for" it.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)That's what a RWer gunnut told me with this news.
AnneD
(15,774 posts)Newly minted teen high school grads killed in an auto accident on the way to and from a prom or graduation. We have graduated license and there is a limit to the number of teens in the car. I remember having the most accidents when I just got my license-and I was in college and had taken a driver's ed course. Thank God for my big assed Pontiac Bonneville V8 land yacht. When my daughter first took to the road...I understood why my Mom got me that car. Just another way of saying I love you-take care.
I truly feel for the family and that is one fortunate guy. Hope he can process it.
mile18blister
(507 posts)Didn't even have a learner's permit.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)he had previous citations, they were not wearing seatbelts. This was not a situation of if he was going to kill himself and/or others, but when.
There is a family with two daughters dead because of this kid's immaturity. If he were not dead he should do 20 years in prison for his actions.
tblue
(16,350 posts)your kids are going out in. Be picky, be annoying, say no if you have to. Better safe than sorry for the rest of your life.
This driver was an accident waiting to happen. Damn.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I grew up in a small town. Everyone knew everyone else for the most part. I lived on a street that was about two miles long. As a kid I knew the names of at least 90% of the people who lived there. My parents knew my friends and my friends' parents. As a parent myself, I have done the same. None of my kids got to sleep over at a any friends' house until either I or my wife had spoken with the parent at the other house. The father in this situation may or may not have any knowledge of the situation other than that he thought his kid should be home studying. I applaud him for that.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)sometimes I can't stand how random life is.. poor kid will never forget this
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)It is impossible to know what would or wouldn't have happened. But most likely, this inexperienced driver would have still driven fast down Jamboree Rd., and none of them would have been wearing seat belts. There almost certainly were not enough seat belts for 6 people, not that it mattered anyways.
Most likely this teenager would be dead along with the others.
I imagine he was trying to act cool, in his fast car, to impress the 3 women in the back seat. Now they're all dead.
His parents will likely be sued now, and rightly so. I imagine they bought him that car, even though he did not even have a learner's permit, nor would he even be allowed to transport other teens if he had. It is a provisional license until 18, which again is not even relevant, since he didn't even have a provisional license.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)when their car let the road and hit a tree. I didn't know any of them but it really freaked my parents out.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)When he was 19, my son lived only because he stayed home to study for a test rather than go out with his roommate and another friend on a Saturday night to celebrate the roommate's 20th birthday. He asked if they were planning to be home before midnight. They said no, so he opted out, because he wanted to study and also to get some sleep, since he had a big test coming up on Monday..
The other 2 boys went drinking in Kansas City and came home around 3:30 a.m. They had an open container of beer in the car when they pulled into the apartment complex's parking lot, so when a cop flashed his lights at them, the 18-year-old driver, who was afraid of getting another MIP citation, took off. His speeds reached 120mph, according to my son's roommate, who was the passenger. He begged the driver to slow down, but the driver, who was always trying to be Mr. Tough Guy, called him an insulting name and said if he was so scared he could just put on his seat belt. The 20-year-old had just gotten his belt secured when the car crested a very steep hill and went airborne. It knocked over a sign, flew a ways further, and then wrapped around a tree. The driver, who wasn't wearing a seatbelt, died on impact--he suffered a broken neck. The 20-year-old survived, though he needed quite a lot of stitches.
The backseat of the car, right where my son would have been sitting if he had gone with them, was crumpled like a wadded up piece of paper. There is no way he could have survived that crash, even if he had been wearing his seatbelt.
Thank goodness he was so focused on his schoolwork at that time in his life. If he had not been so studious, he would surely have gone with them, since it was a Saturday night, and he surely would have died.
My daughter, when she was 19, was coming home from college for Easter weekend. She suffered whiplash and innumerable small cuts from broken glass when the car she was riding in had to veer into a guard rail to avoid a head-on collision with a van driven by an elderly man who was so busy looking at his map that he didn't notice that the 4-lane road had turned into a 2-lane road. She wasn't hurt any worse, though, because she was belted in. The driver of the car she was in was also wearing her seat belt, so although she was hurt worse than my daughter was, since she had the steering wheel to deal with, she also survived and, after some months of physical therapy, ended up being okay. Unfortunately, an 18-year-old student from the same college they attended was killed, because she was hit head-on by that van. She didn't see it in time to veer into the guard rail, so even her seat belt couldn't save her.
Similarly, my kids' half-brother and his friend both survived a freakish accident only because they had on their seat belts. The friend, who was driving, was messing with his car CD player, so he didn't realize the light had turned red. He actually ended up driving right into and then squooshing partway underneath a truck that had pulled into the intersection on the green light. Since both of the boys in the car were belted in, they both survived without severe injuries, though they were hurt some.
A fiery crash like the one in the OP will kill everyone, seat belts or not, just as the head-on collision killed the 18-year-old in the car behind the one my daughter was in, even though that girl had on her seat belt. But my daughter and her friend, my son's roommate, and my kids' half-brother and his friend all went through serious crashes without being killed or crippled, saved for no other reason than that they were wearing seat belts at the time.
My son, like the boy in the OP, would not have been saved by a seat belt. He was saved by the fact that he was not in the car at all--in my son's case, only because he didn't want to miss too much study time or sleep on Saturday night when he had a major test coming up on Monday. I still get a bit freaked out when I consider how easily he could have been killed that night!
I bet that the parents of the boy in the OP article will have moments of intense fear when the think of how easily they could have lost him. I had such moments for years after my son avoided avoid being in the accident that killed his friend.
ON EDIT: My son's friend who died was a show-off like the driver in the OP--and he had been drinking. If my son had been in that car, he would be dead. Like the driver in the OP, my son's friend who was driving was bound to get into that sort of accident some day.
Of course, cops should not be chasing someone at 120mph on residential streets in a city just because they are suspicious that a kid driving into an apartment complex parking lot at 3:30 a.m. might have been drinking without being 21! At least that boy's death forced our police department to revise its policy on high speed chases within the city limits.
stopbush
(24,392 posts)occurred.
This is a wide-open, clear vision, six-lane stretch of road that sees many accidents. It has a number of big rolling hills underneath it. I would say that inexperience more than anything else drives the deaths on this road. You have to realize that roads in SoCal are fairly congested with traffic. A young driver sees a big open stretch of road in front of them and thinks it's an opportunity to hit the gas and speed a bit. What they're not ready for is other drivers changing lanes, etc. They don't realize the increase in braking distance required when one ups their speed. Suddenly, they're in a situation that requires a snap decision on the road, and they just don't handle it.
We don't know the details of this accident yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if alcohol wasn't involved.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,290 posts)Someone else pointed out how often those words appear in the news accounts of these wrecks. There was a similar crash in Arlington, Virginia, a few months back.
I don't want to sound cynical about this, but not much about the crash sounds accidental. I think the brother is skating on thin ice if he doesn't change his ways.
Young Driver Killed in Rosslyn Accident
Morning Notes
BMW in Fatal Crash Was Symbol of Fathers Success The 2008 BMW M5 that 22-year-old Sami Ullah was driving the night of the crash in Rosslyn that killed him was a gift from his father, who had emigrated from Pakistan and worked as a dishwasher before eventually amassing a fortune from real estate investment. Police said Ullah was driving 90 miles per hour over the Key Bridge before the crash, something his family cant quite comprehend. Hed only drive fast on straightaways, Ullahs 27-year-old brother said. {Washington Post}
A Virginia immigrants son dies behind the wheel of a symbol of his familys success
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-virginia-immigrants-son-dies-behind-the-wheel-of-a-symbol-of-his-success/2013/03/16/6900dee4-8cc1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html