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KansDem

(28,498 posts)
Thu May 30, 2013, 10:55 AM May 2013

Miami Police Shove, Choke Black Teen for "Dehumanizing Stares"

Source: DemocracyNow!

An African-American teenager is accusing Miami police of brutality after being pushed to the ground and placed in a chokehold. Fourteen-year-old Tremaine McMillian was carrying his young puppy when a Miami-Dade police officer confronted him. Police say Tremaine appeared to be a threat because he gave the officer "dehumanizing stares." The officer pushed McMillian to the ground and held him there in a chokehold. Speaking to CBS Miami, Miami-Dade Police Detective Alvaro Zabaleta tried to justify the incident by saying even though he tried to walk away, McMillian was accosted because his "body language" amounted to a threat.

Alvaro Zabaleta: "Once he’s approaching the roadway, they grab him. And then once his body language of stiffening up, closing the fists, flaring his hands, trying to pull away — well now you’re resisting an officer that point. Of course we have to neutralize the threat in front of us. And when you have somebody that is being resistant, somebody that is pulling away from you, somebody that’s clenching their fist, somebody that’s flaring their arms, that’s the immediate threat. At this point, we’re not dealing or concerned with the puppy, what we’re concerned about is the immediate threat towards the officer."

McMillian says he was feeding his puppy with a bottle when the police attacked him. The puppy suffered an injury to his left paw.


Read more: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/30/headlines



What is a "dehumanizing stare?"


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Miami Police Shove, Choke Black Teen for "Dehumanizing Stares" (Original Post) KansDem May 2013 OP
Officer Needs To Be Beaten Till Crippled, Publicly The Magistrate May 2013 #1
Some time ago, you said it best- that basically this sort of thing will continue to happen until.... Poll_Blind May 2013 #18
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #19
Well that is not going to happen. zeemike May 2013 #44
+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 May 2013 #26
Hammurabi that asshole Hayabusa May 2013 #33
Pic: tblue May 2013 #49
A "dehumanizing stare" must be one of those Caribbean voodoo things Blue_Tires May 2013 #2
yeah. Those black peeplez have speshul powers. BlancheSplanchnik May 2013 #12
Oddly enough, it provoked an inhumane reaction. sofa king May 2013 #17
Cold But Fair, Sir The Magistrate May 2013 #20
Evidently looking at the cops without rapt adoration. hobbit709 May 2013 #3
He was supposed to bow. tblue May 2013 #45
He was looking at the cops without abject terror. Brigid May 2013 #48
He was carrying a puppy - what do you expect lame54 May 2013 #4
A BOTTLE BABY, no less. He clearly was a threat and needed beating. kestrel91316 May 2013 #27
Maybe the puppy was a pit bull KamaAina May 2013 #60
Puppy, Skittles, what's the difference? auburngrad82 Jun 2013 #101
His "body language" was a threat even though he tried to walk away? Somebody needs to Arkansas Granny May 2013 #5
I think he meant his "body color." Baitball Blogger May 2013 #9
Thanks for the clarification. That must be it. Arkansas Granny May 2013 #10
spot on. AsahinaKimi May 2013 #36
Yep. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #71
this: niyad May 2013 #14
there was no threat to these cowards frylock May 2013 #39
Great how the cops charge someone for resisting arrest SwissTony May 2013 #83
and now this: niyad May 2013 #85
Yay, Cops! Iggo May 2013 #6
Miami's Finest tblue May 2013 #47
Video KansDem May 2013 #7
What.The.Fuck tabasco May 2013 #8
once, I would have said that this was almost unbelievable. sadly, this kind of arrogant, brutal niyad May 2013 #11
Serve and Protect... thefool_wa May 2013 #16
In many cases, such as this, it is arrogant, brutal RACISM dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #53
And there are still those that wonder why people of color fear the police. Ikonoklast May 2013 #13
Was the cop that did this disgusting abuse white? Bully Taw May 2013 #23
With a name like Alvaro Zabaleta FrodosPet May 2013 #28
think he is the detective, not the one who brutalized this kid. niyad May 2013 #73
Looks that way in the photo. Brigid May 2013 #29
People of color fear police no matter what the race of the cop is. Ikonoklast May 2013 #32
Yeah, but that puppy was loaded JEB May 2013 #15
fucking pigs. kath May 2013 #21
+1 In_The_Wind May 2013 #79
"JEEZUS CHRSIT...WATCH OUT HE'S GOT A PUPPY....SHOOT HIM!!!!" Katashi_itto May 2013 #22
A pit bull mix. Brigid May 2013 #34
Well, a mix explains everything! They should have shot the kid. Katashi_itto May 2013 #42
"Neutralize the threat?" Brigid May 2013 #24
If you've ever received one, you would know FrodosPet May 2013 #25
are you talking about the "dehumanizing stare?" noiretextatique May 2013 #50
please tell me you forgot the sarcasm thingy. what in the HELL IS a "dehumanizing stare" anyway? niyad May 2013 #75
"Stink Eye", "Evil Eye", "Staring Daggers" FrodosPet May 2013 #80
you have GOT to be kidding!! those are expressions--when was the last time anybody in this niyad May 2013 #82
They need to be beaten with a tire iron. Arctic Dave May 2013 #30
yay, cops! KG May 2013 #31
WTH? blackspade May 2013 #35
fuck tha police frylock May 2013 #37
Floriduh? NOLALady May 2013 #38
This is how many autistic children die. gitchel May 2013 #40
The dehumanizing stare worked. Conium May 2013 #41
Oh, sure. Orrex May 2013 #46
Stares don't kill people Saviolo May 2013 #51
let's beat that black boy azureblue May 2013 #43
Assault puppy with an extended bottle magazine. Half-Century Man May 2013 #52
what.. the... fuck... NoMoreWarNow May 2013 #54
WIthout a weapon, there is no way that a slender 14 yr. old could be a physical threat to a ladjf May 2013 #55
FaceCrime. n/t Orsino May 2013 #56
The Miami Pigs (who's penisons are bankrupting the city) Dawson Leery May 2013 #57
Are we in a police state yet? Initech May 2013 #58
A little Cop Rock for ya... KamaAina May 2013 #59
after heaven05 May 2013 #61
They have a hard job. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #62
You forgot telclaven May 2013 #93
At this point, we all have to admit to ourselves that our police departments… MrScorpio May 2013 #63
It could be any one of us next. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #64
So not only canyou not film cops,they will beat the shit out of you for just looking at them. nt Incitatus May 2013 #65
I willing to bet that this cop is a great admirer of the Tea Party fascists. olegramps May 2013 #66
Blocking the door to a donut shop with a guard dog is just asking for it. L0oniX May 2013 #67
American hypocrisy Luschnig May 2013 #68
Criminal behavior by the police will not stop... beevul May 2013 #69
Fascist punks damnedifIknow May 2013 #70
Dehumanizing stare? Sounds like the Salem Witch claims... Thor_MN May 2013 #72
thank goodness I wear sunglasses all the time--that way they can't see the dehumanizing niyad May 2013 #74
let's see--deputies kill a demo lady who was "acting strangely", and a 14 year old boy is thrown niyad May 2013 #76
Did ya miss the story about running over sleeping 20 something beach goers? Paulie Jun 2013 #99
no, I saw that one after I posted. and the same smarmy reporting: SHE wasn't drinking. SHE niyad Jun 2013 #100
If looks could actually kill notadmblnd May 2013 #77
what I read this morning was bad enough, but now THIS: niyad May 2013 #78
Where is a civil rights march when you need one. JimDandy May 2013 #81
Yet another in a long, long line of reasons why I will never visit or pass through Florida. (NT) Heywood J May 2013 #84
Here's one Doctor_J May 2013 #86
If eyes are indeed windows to the soul... KansDem May 2013 #87
which leaves first, the soul or the mind? Doctor_J May 2013 #88
Well, as Dan Quayle said, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind... KansDem May 2013 #89
How do we oppose this, protest this, change this? duhneece May 2013 #90
Comrade Grumpy says: National Commission on Law Enforcement Practices Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #91
puppy in video is limping, hope someone steps up & helps the child with a vet visit. and.. Sunlei May 2013 #92
according to an article I read yesterday, mother said they had to give the puppy up, because niyad May 2013 #94
aww that's sad & a very traumatic day for the family. My heart goes out to the 14 year old. Sunlei Jun 2013 #97
hmm, I wonder how the mayor, the council and the tourism bureau would feel if people stopped niyad May 2013 #95
And yet if one of these offiers christx30 May 2013 #96
Cops like these were George Zimmerman's role models Hugabear Jun 2013 #98
Just another day at the office for the Legal Gang. HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #102
The next to the last one pisses me off Th1onein Jun 2013 #103

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
18. Some time ago, you said it best- that basically this sort of thing will continue to happen until....
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:29 AM
May 2013

...police fear being arrested by other police on the spot for such behavior.

PB

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
19. Thank You, Sir
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:32 AM
May 2013

I certainly stand by that statement, but must confess I do not expect to ever see it come to pass.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
44. Well that is not going to happen.
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:20 PM
May 2013

They are trained to do this...and also trained to defend their fellow officers in a blue wall of silence.
Fundamental changes must be made, or we will have a Gestapo like force over us... or maybe we already have.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
17. Oddly enough, it provoked an inhumane reaction.
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:26 AM
May 2013

So it sounds to me like the kid saw things as they really were, and that is what provoked the reaction.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
45. He was supposed to bow.
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
May 2013

Or get on the ground and kiss their feet.

Horrible cops. And they hurt the little puppy too. There are too many bad cops. Do not like.

auburngrad82

(5,029 posts)
101. Puppy, Skittles, what's the difference?
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jun 2013

His black skin turned him into a threat.

I can't wait for the internet trolls to start posting that the kid was much bigger and scarier than the pictures of him as a 12-year old that the librul media use would indicate.

Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
5. His "body language" was a threat even though he tried to walk away? Somebody needs to
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:06 AM
May 2013

explain that one to me because it doesn't make sense.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
14. this:
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:20 AM
May 2013

Speaking to CBS Miami, Miami-Dade Police Detective Alvaro Zabaleta tried to justify the incident by saying even though he tried to walk away, McMillian was accosted because his "body language" amounted to a threat.

Alvaro Zabaleta: "Once he’s approaching the roadway, they grab him. And then once his body language of stiffening up, closing the fists, flaring his hands, trying to pull away — well now you’re resisting an officer that point. Of course we have to neutralize the threat in front of us. And when you have somebody that is being resistant, somebody that is pulling away from you, somebody that’s clenching their fist, somebody that’s flaring their arms, that’s the immediate threat. At this point, we’re not dealing or concerned with the puppy, what we’re concerned about is the immediate threat towards the officer."

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
83. Great how the cops charge someone for resisting arrest
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:24 AM
May 2013

even though the "villain" hasn't done anything worthy of arrest.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
85. and now this:
Fri May 31, 2013, 10:05 AM
May 2013

Police ultimately booked Tremaine on a felony charge of resisting arrest with violence as well as misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct.

what the F*** is wrong with the police, the da and the judge? what the hell is wrong with florida, period?
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
8. What.The.Fuck
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:08 AM
May 2013

Elimination of individual liberties and the increase of police power have been disastrous for this nation.

The primary causes are gutless politicians and the "war" on some drugs.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
11. once, I would have said that this was almost unbelievable. sadly, this kind of arrogant, brutal
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:12 AM
May 2013

stupidity seems to be becoming the norm for those sworn to "serve and protect"

thefool_wa

(1,867 posts)
16. Serve and Protect...
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:22 AM
May 2013

Their pocket books.

Their careers.

Their arrogance.

Their racism.

Their power.

NOT the people who they claim to serve.

Cops treat every encounter with everyone as though its a life and death struggle. To them there are no people they protect, because everyone is a potential threat. Now we have cops beating up kids for what boils down to looking at them funny. This gets worse and worse every year. Add to that the fact that most cops are ex soldiers who are so full of themselves that they feel people should bow down to them (not talking about all soldiers, just the ones who come back and become cops) and this problem is never going to get better.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
53. In many cases, such as this, it is arrogant, brutal RACISM
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:43 PM
May 2013

which has been on rise dramtically since 2008.
That is not by "co-incidence" either.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
13. And there are still those that wonder why people of color fear the police.
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:17 AM
May 2013

If that was little White boy with a puppy, he wouldn't have even been noticed by the cops.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
28. With a name like Alvaro Zabaleta
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:51 AM
May 2013

He is likely of latino origin. Not that it should matter. If you are a cop, you should be used to receiving the "stink eye". Of having people "stare daggers" at you. So what elevated this kid to a threat?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
32. People of color fear police no matter what the race of the cop is.
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

They know that they'll get treated just as bad either way.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
42. Well, a mix explains everything! They should have shot the kid.
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:15 PM
May 2013

Crazy eyed teens wielding Illicit, milk bottles and Pitbull mix puppies are a threat to the public.

Tax dollars at work

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
25. If you've ever received one, you would know
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:45 AM
May 2013

For sure they will send a chill down your spine. Not sure if it is worth tasering somebody, but you most def want to get away from it.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
50. are you talking about the "dehumanizing stare?"
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:38 PM
May 2013

from a 14yo armed with a puppy and a bottle? most definitely NOT worth tasering. and if they were so why didn't they just leave him...and his stare alone? the most ridiculous excuse for police brutality...ever.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
75. please tell me you forgot the sarcasm thingy. what in the HELL IS a "dehumanizing stare" anyway?
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:15 PM
May 2013

and what the hell is wrong with armed cops that they would feel threatened by a look (regardless of what that "look" looked like) from a scrawny kid? if they really did feel threatened, they are clearly unqualified for their jobs, and should be seeking employment elsewhere at once.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
80. "Stink Eye", "Evil Eye", "Staring Daggers"
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:04 PM
May 2013

"If looks could kill" - you've never heard of those expressions before? You are a fortunate person if no one has ever given you one of those cold, angry looks that says "I want to hurt you with the power of my glare. I want you to suffer and die."

Depending on who is giving it to you, they can be frightening.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
82. you have GOT to be kidding!! those are expressions--when was the last time anybody in this
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:11 AM
May 2013

physical world was killed by a LOOK? Yes, of course, I have heard those expressions, even had that sort of look directed at me. did I cower in terror? hardly. I can do those looks, too.

the freaking point is, these are SUPPOSED to be TRAINED police officers--and they were scared of a 14 year old kid with a LOOK? as I said, they need new jobs, at once, preferably where the public will never encounter them.

gitchel

(68 posts)
40. This is how many autistic children die.
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:14 PM
May 2013

This is exactly how many autistic kids would behave. From the puppy-feeding, to the trying to back away, to the odd stare. Many autistic kids have been strangled, tasered, or killed because they weren't able to slip into the proper submissive role fast enough or correctly enough.

Someone needs to be educated. Either the police need to learn how to stop jumping to the conclusion that "odd" behavior means disrespect, or autistic kids need to be taught that the police are NOT your friend. I suspect the later is easier to accomplish.

Jeff

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
51. Stares don't kill people
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:39 PM
May 2013

Doncha know?

That boy was wielding a dangerous stare, no question.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
43. let's beat that black boy
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:18 PM
May 2013

He looked at us funny. I think I saw him lookin' at a white girl. He sho' doesn't know his place, does he. We'll show him. Shades of 50's South....

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
52. Assault puppy with an extended bottle magazine.
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:40 PM
May 2013

I have to give the Police the benefit of doubt with the whole dehumanizing stare thing. They are the experts on giving someone a dehumanizing stare.
Once I was pretty sure 2 TSA goons thought I was a balrog, at least by the stares I got.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
55. WIthout a weapon, there is no way that a slender 14 yr. old could be a physical threat to a
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:48 PM
May 2013

policeman. nt

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
57. The Miami Pigs (who's penisons are bankrupting the city)
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:50 PM
May 2013

have a history of these kinds of acts (along with many other departments).

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
61. after
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:06 PM
May 2013

Last edited Thu May 30, 2013, 02:20 PM - Edit history (1)

watertown with it's lock down and wild neighborhood shooting in which many private homes were hit. And with many of the other incidents of this type of security force(s) behavior, I can come to only one conclusion. We are being made accustomed to this type of behavior from our internal security force(s) so that it will be easier to create the draconian police state, that is on the way, with the acquiescence of a major portion of the amerikkkan populace. "dehumanizing stare"?????? They are out to prove a point to all minorities and others seen as an internal threat. Glad they didn't kill the kid with that choke hold.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
62. They have a hard job.
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:10 PM
May 2013

You weren't there.

Try being in the police officer shoes.

Everyone makes mistakes.








Did I miss any?

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
63. At this point, we all have to admit to ourselves that our police departments…
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:22 PM
May 2013

Are COMPLETELY out of control and represent a grave danger to our communities.

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
64. It could be any one of us next.
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:41 PM
May 2013

It could be you, your wife or your kid that is the next "threat" getting their head busted open for nothing and the pigs will get away with it.

 

Luschnig

(32 posts)
68. American hypocrisy
Thu May 30, 2013, 02:25 PM
May 2013

I've never understood how Americans can condemned the Nazis when they have never been any better. The brutality is the same but since the victims are different Americans must believe what they do is totally different.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
69. Criminal behavior by the police will not stop...
Thu May 30, 2013, 02:34 PM
May 2013

Criminal behavior by the police will not stop unless and until these sorts of bahaviors start costing the people engaging in them, their careers and their freedom.

Even if these assholes get fired, they always seem to turn up in another department down the road. Firing isn't good enough. Lawsuits aren't good enough - they just cost the taxpayers money.

Criminal charges of a career disabling nature, and nothing less, is whats needed.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
70. Fascist punks
Thu May 30, 2013, 05:06 PM
May 2013

There needs to be a serious conversation about police brutality in this country like yesterday.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
74. thank goodness I wear sunglasses all the time--that way they can't see the dehumanizing
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:11 PM
May 2013

stares. . . oh, wait, the fact that they can't see my eyes is threat enough.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
76. let's see--deputies kill a demo lady who was "acting strangely", and a 14 year old boy is thrown
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:17 PM
May 2013

to the ground and put in a chokehold for a "dehumanizing stare". what a wonderful world in which we live.

by the way, how far is sanford from miami?

niyad

(113,259 posts)
100. no, I saw that one after I posted. and the same smarmy reporting: SHE wasn't drinking. SHE
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jun 2013

had been sleeping for, oh-the-horror- over TWENTY MINUTES. the snide implication that she was doing something wrong, when it was the cop who wasn't looking. but, we have to have cops on the beach in their big trucks to keep down crime (what, they can't ride a golf cart?)

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
77. If looks could actually kill
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:20 PM
May 2013

I'd be a mass murder. In fact all the women in my family would be mass murderers. We inherited our evil glares from our grandmother.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
78. what I read this morning was bad enough, but now THIS:
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:24 PM
May 2013


Police ultimately booked Tremaine on a felony charge of resisting arrest with violence as well as misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct.

what the F*** is wrong with the police, the da and the judge? what the hell is wrong with florida, period?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
81. Where is a civil rights march when you need one.
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:09 PM
May 2013

These police brutality stories are coming from all over the country. And their brutality is most often perpetrated against minorities.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
88. which leaves first, the soul or the mind?
Fri May 31, 2013, 10:51 AM
May 2013

For teabaggers, I think Hate Radio first steals their brains, and eventually they become soulless.

OK, I am done hijacking this timely thread.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
89. Well, as Dan Quayle said, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind...
Fri May 31, 2013, 10:54 AM
May 2013

...or not to have a mind is being very wasteful."

I suppose the same applies to souls...

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
90. How do we oppose this, protest this, change this?
Fri May 31, 2013, 10:55 AM
May 2013

I don't want to just wring my hands, this is not a rhetorical question. I am blank as to how we raise our country's consciousness enough where enough of us stand up and say, 'no more.'

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
91. Comrade Grumpy says: National Commission on Law Enforcement Practices
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:33 PM
May 2013

It's time for Obama to call for one.

Maybe one of those on-line White House petitions would be a way to start.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
92. puppy in video is limping, hope someone steps up & helps the child with a vet visit. and..
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:40 PM
May 2013

everyone dominated by todays police should do a jury trial,as is their right.

enough is enough with todays police, they are out of control brutal with citizens and kids! Americans need to overwelm the local courts with thousands of trial by jury for all these crazy police charges.

Let the police sit on front of a judge and jury and tell about how a skinnny bare chested beach goer kid (holding a little puppy) clenched his fists and made angry eyes at him. so he threw him to the ground and choked him.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
94. according to an article I read yesterday, mother said they had to give the puppy up, because
Fri May 31, 2013, 08:05 PM
May 2013

they could not afford a vet bill.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
97. aww that's sad & a very traumatic day for the family. My heart goes out to the 14 year old.
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 01:38 AM
Jun 2013

Its to harsh the police will ruin the life of a kid with felony like this. A family just wants to go to the beach and have some fun, the police cruse those areas creating trouble.

people ALL need to demand their right to a jury trial, especially when they know police have over-stepped their power.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
95. hmm, I wonder how the mayor, the council and the tourism bureau would feel if people stopped
Fri May 31, 2013, 08:10 PM
May 2013

coming to miami because of their insane, completely out-of-control police force? how many lost dollars would it take to get their attention?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
96. And yet if one of these offiers
Fri May 31, 2013, 09:21 PM
May 2013

was killed in some way, he'd be hailed as a "15 year veteran" of the force, a "protector of the community" and "loving father of 3" or some shit.
We seriously need to stop giving cops such an open check and start holding them accountable. More need to go to jail for this kind of BS.

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