Japan Unveils Biggest Warship Since WWII
Source: Voice of America
Japan has unveiled its biggest warship since the Second World War as part of a plan to bolster its defense of territorial claims in disputed waters.
Read more: http://www.voanews.com/content/japan-unveils-biggest-warship-since-ww2/1724301.html
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I obviously meant that I personally have no reason to feel guilty about the WW2 nuclear attacks.
Or the comment like he one you responded to. 
And you were wrong.
400,000.00 people or more is just as bad as millions. Its a FUKING LOT OF PEOPLE!!!
Good bye.
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The best estimate puts loses due to the Hiroshima bombing at 70-80,000, Nagasaki much less at 40-75,000. The reason for the lesser number of Nagasaki is that it is a city build on rolling hills and the hills protected parts of the city from the full effect of the bomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
More on the March 9-10th Fire Bomb Raid on Tokyo, the single most destructive bombing in History, over 100,000 killed.
http://flgrube1.tripod.com/id13.html
Please note, no Fire storm occurred at Nagasaki, but did occur in Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo and Hiroshima. It was the Fire Storm that was the real killer at Dresden, Hamburg and Tokyo.
Due to the high loss of life in the March 9-10th Fire bombing on Tokyo, numbers have been fudged for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It has been convenient for the US (to show the power of Atomic Bombs) and Japan (To show how much they were victims of Atomic Bombs) to play down the losses in the Toyko fire bomb raid and play up the the numbers killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The problem is when it comes to hard facts, the Fire bomb raid wins out in number of people killed.
Just a comment that millions did not die at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The losses were huge and terrible (and in many ways uncalled for) but the losses are in the 100,000s for both cities not the millions.
Side note: We are coming up to the anniversary of the bombings. People forget WHY the bombings occurred when they did. No more bombs would be available till late August and it had already been decided to hold onto it, till the planned invasion of Japan on November 1945. Thus the first bombings was NOT part of the regular bombing plan on Japan, but two first time usage of such weapons. Furthermore, each was different, a uranium bomb was used on Hiroshima and a plutonium bomb was used Nagasaki.
Furthermore, when Japan Surrendered it appears NOT to have been do to the Atomic Bombing. The Atomic bombing was less then the Fire Bomb Raid on Tokyo thus was NOT that significant even the over all power the US had over Japan at that time period. Japan was still holding out for no occupation of the home islands even as the bombs were dropped. What appears to have changed the mind of the Japanese Government was that Stalin kept his word to FDR, that he would intervene in the War with Japan within three months of the Surrender of Germany.
Germany had officially surrendered on May 8 (The actual surrender occurred on May 7th, which is the date given in most History books, but by treaty it was May 8th). The third month after May 8th, was August 8th. Thus on or before August 8th, the Soviet Union was treaty bound to attack Japan.
Please note, Stalin had to move an entire army, consisting of three Red Army Fronts (a Russian "Front" is the equivalent of a US Army "Army Group"
from Germany to Manchuria over the Tran-Siberian railroad during that 90 day period (Movemen of about 1.5 million men AND their equipment). To do so, the units moved were told to abandoned all of their heavy equipment, including trucks and tanks, in East Germany and go East to the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union it was equipped with new tanks and trucks (due to the condition of the railways in Eastern Europe in the Summer of 1945 that was the only way you could get trained soldiers with equipment to Manchuria). Thus even the US thought 90 days was pushing it for a Soviet Intervention, but Stalin managed to do it.
On August 5th the Soviet Union informed Japan it was dissolving the Mutual non-aggression pact it had signed with Japan. Japan had believe this would not occur till November, when they expected the American Invasion to begin. The dissolution of the non-aggression pact meant Russia was about to attack.
Now, the US did not know when the Soviet Union would attack or how, but suspected it would be Manchuria. The US also expected Russia to ask to more time to launch an attack, given the problems of moving a Soviet Army East. On the other hand, the US wanted to drop its Atomic Bomb to give the Japanese an excuse to surrender before Soviet Intervention. Thus why no demonstration bomb was dropped and why the first one was dropped on August 6th and the second on August 9th.
In between those bombings, the Soviet Army invaded Manchuria on August 8th as the Soviet Union declared war on Japan. By August 15th, the day Japan surrendered, it was clear that by August 31st Manchuria would be completely in Soviet hands, and all of Korea would be in Soviet hands by October 1, 1945. This unpleasant fact is what seems to have driven the Japanese Leadership to surrender NOT the Atomic bombings. In his famous surrender speech, the Emperor clearly mentions the Soviet attack and ignores both the conventional bombing and atomic bombings on Japan. Furthermore, the Emperor is know to say the day AFTER the second atomic bombing that if the Emperor-ship is NOT maintained, Japan would continued to fight. This all changed by the 15th when it became clear the Soviet Red Army would have Korea by October 1st and the only force that could stop the Red Army was the US Army.
In fact after Japan surrendered they insisted on US troops in Korea. US planners had planned to retain the Japanese Army in Korea, but when the Japanese told them that was NOT possible, the US send in the Marines in their first invasion of Incheon on September 8, 1945 (not to be confused with the Incheon Invasion of September 15th, 1950). The Soviet Red Army had NOT yet reached Incheon or Seoul thus both came under US Occupation, as Russia occupied what is today North Korea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War_(1945)#Importance_and_consequences
In simple terms, while the Soviet Red Army had outrun its supply lines by the end of August and needed to regroup, no Japanese forces were left that could stop them once they resumed their offensive. The speed of this offensive shocked not only the Japanese but the US Army. It was like taking all of Western Europe in a three week war. It was the biggest defeat the Japanese Army ever suffered.
One other factor that affected the Japanese surrender. While Japan is known today as a low crime country, it had managed to kill off almost all opposition leaders in the 1930s. The sole surviving opposition leader, was the leader of the Japanese Communist Party and he was living in Moscow. Thus the Japanese leadership was looking at being replaced by a Communist, for no one else with any real political standing was still living. They knew the US was anti-communist and thus knew the US would NOT install a communist as the leader of Japan, but the Soviet Union would.
Now the Japanese and the Americans did not know this, but the Soviet Union had come up with a plan to invade the northernmost Japanese main island on November 1, 1945, It was weakly defended for the Japanese expected the US to invade it southernmost main island. I mention it for the Japanese did have a real fear of a Soviet Invasion for once that island was in Soviet Hands, an invasion of the main island is just a jump across a channel and then a quick armor thrust to Tokyo.
More on the Soviet invasion of Manchuria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria_(1945)
Transfer of equipment from the US to the Soviet Union in 1945, in anticipation of Soviet invasion of Japan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Hula
More on why Japan Surrendered (and why the Soviet Invasion was the main reason NOT the Atomic Bombings):
http://books.google.com/books?id=XjW49VTRhxQC&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=Soviet+invasion+Hokkaid%C5%8D&source=bl&ots=JnUknKVzRR&sig=UDzra_98MfSEU_jxLC3P0D9ryj8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iLABUq7_JoWt4APppIHgDg&ved=0CG4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Soviet%20invasion%20Hokkaid%C5%8D&f=false
Please note, unrest among the Japanese people was known, and appears to have been a bigger factor then the Atomic Bombing. The US Air Force had been dropping mines in the harbors and sea lanes of Japan since April. The Air Force put this mining on a low priority, but subsequent studies shows it was the most effective use of bombers during the war with Japan. Civilian Sailors would not go on commercial ships due to fear of mines, thus commerce was coming to a stop and the leadership of Japan was afraid of a Communist revolution:
More on the mining of Japan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Starvation
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA420650&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf
In many ways, the Soviet quick take over of Manchuria brought fear to the ruling elites of Japan that the Communist Party of Japan would wait for a Soviet Invasion to revolt, thus permitting a take over of Japan by the Communists. In many ways this was a one two punch. The Soviet Advance brought with it the fear of a Communist revolt. That was more feared then an Occupation by US Troops. Thus Japan gave up all of its reservation on the Potsdam declaration except preservation of the Emperor (and even then gave up the idea that the Emperor was a "God" for the US wanted the Emperor as a King like the King of Great Britain not as a "God" as the Japanese Emperors had been viewed. A Communist revolt would have over thrown the Emperor and that had to be avoided at all cost, and by August 15th that included US Occupation of Japan.
You must be thinking about the Chinese victims of the Japanese Imperial Army.
http://www.cnd.org/njmassacre/index.html
The Japanese are victims of what? Bombing us first? 
That's like me walking down the street and randomly punching someone in the face and then playing the victim when they hit back.
they should be using those millions they are spending on implements of war to cleanup fukishima! what a fucking joke humans are.
got hair.
