Iran says it has about 18,000 nuclear centrifuges

[bananas]

Source: Agence France-Presse

Iran has about 18,000 centrifuges, including 10,000 active ones, the outgoing head of the country’s atomic agency said Saturday, confirming figures from the U.N. watchdog overseeing its disputed nuclear drive.

“At the beginning of the month of Mordad (from July 23) we had 17,000 first generation centrifuges, of which more than 10,000 are active and 7,000 ready to start work,” said Fereydoon Abbasi Davani, quoted by ISNA news agency.

“Some 1,000 second generation centrifuges have also been installed and are ready to start work,” he said at the handover ceremony for his role to Ali Akbar Salehi.

In May, the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran had installed 17,600 centrifuges, including 16,590 first generation and 1,000 second generation.

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[School Teacher]

1. So What

Really, Let's stir up some fear here. Iran has no alternative but to have nuclear power. They have no big rivers to make hydropower and they are a young growing economy. Just keep banging those war drums! As Daniel Ellsburg said the other day: "A war with Iran is already in the works, coming down the pipeline." What a great day for Lockeed, General Dynamics and the rest of the MIC.

[onehandle]

2. It's my understanding that they might possibly have some oil there.

Oil, I have heard, is some sort of fuel.

[MarkLaw]

12. Oil is dirty and environmentally unfriendly.

Nuclear is far cleaner than burning petrochemicals to extract energy.

Under the NPT, which Israel refuses to sign onto, Iran has the Right to utilize Nuclear power in order to provide it's citizens with the energy they need.

America has tons of Nuclear bombs and many Nuclear power plants

Iran has no Nuclear bombs, U.N. reports reveal that Iranian nuclear activities are in line with all international regulations and commitments.

Israel on the other hand has tons of Nuclear weapons and generates Nuclear energy but refuses to submit to any international oversight similar to oversight that Iran and America submit too.

The real drivers of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East are the countries that posses nuclear weapons, but refuse to accept any oversight whatsoever. Israel is the only such nation, therefore they will fully bear the blame should their nuclear weapons instigate a nuclear arms race in their region of the world.

[bananas]

3. You couldn't be more wrong

A joint report by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Federation of American Scientists concluded:

"No sound strategic energy planning would prioritize nuclear energy in a country like Iran," the report said.

"Instead of enhancing Iran's energy security, the nuclear program has diminished the country's ability to diversify and achieve real energy independence."

That's from a Reuters article at http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/03/us-iran-nuclear-report-idUSBRE93200620130403

The report is on the Carnegie website at http://carnegieendowment.org/2013/04/02/iran-s-nuclear-odyssey-costs-and-risks/fvui

and on the Federation of American Scientists website at http://blogs.fas.org/blog/2013/04/new-report-analyzing-irans-nuclear-program-costs-and-risks/

[ronnie624]

9. None of that

determines whether or not Iran is in compliance with its safeguards agreements.

[bananas]

10. It addresses the lie that "Iran has no alternative but to have nuclear power."

And it shows that Iran is wasting money on an expensive and unnecessary boondoggle.

You must really hate Iran if you want them to waste their money like that!

And don't forget about the nuclear waste which has to be contained for a million years.

That's going to be especially hard in Iran, which has many fault lines and gets frequent large earthquakes.

[ronnie624]

11. I don't like nuclear power.

I prefer other alternatives.

But what matters most on this particular issue, is international law as it is framed by the NPT.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

4. If lies and propaganda hadn't been used before to get us into the war with Iraq,

this story would have more credibility.

It also would have helped if the Obama Administration had made a clean break from the Bush Administration (intead of adopting high-level Republicans and Republican policies) and gone after openly-admitted war criminals. One of the war criminals, Dick Cheney even went on television to admit and take credit for his role in the torturing of prisoners.

Now we are supposed to believe this?

Maybe some will.

I'm not buying it.

[bananas]

5. WTF? You think Iran is lying about how many centrifuges they have?

And you think Iran is lying about it to get us into war with Iraq?

Do you think Iran has more than 18,000 centrifuges?

Do you think Iran has less than 18,000 centrifuges?

[MJJP21]

6. Lying?

I think Iran would lie about having 18,000 centrifuges. Why? Because do you realize the logistics of trying to take them all out? If true and we didn't know it we certainly don't know where they are.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

7. I know that verifiable lies were told about Iraq. I do not know whether "Iran is lying," whether

someone at Agence France-Presse is lying, whether Fereydoon Abbasi Davani is lying, whether someone at Ali Akbar Salehi is lying.

I know that people other than me want a war with Iran for oil or other reasons.

I know that the Obama Administration did not make a clean break from the Bush Administration, adopted high-level Republicans and Republican policies, and did not go after openly-admitted war criminals.

I know that people who want a war with Iran for oil or other reasons are capable of lying and have repeatedly done so.

I'm not buying it.

[ronnie624]

8. Is that a violation of the NPT?

http://www.un.org/en/conf/npt/2010/npttext.shtml

[cosmicone]

13. It is not a violation of the NPT.

That is the most evil of the Western demands.

Under NPT, Iran is within its rights to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. Just because Israel thinks they are making a bomb, we all dance to Bibi's tune and call for brutal sanctions when Iran has violated no law or treaty.

[bananas]

15. Under NPT, members must comply with their safeguard agreements - and Iran isn't.

The IAEA found Iran in non-compliance with their safeguard agreements.
That is a violation of the NPT treaty.

UN members are required to follow Security Council resolutions.
The Security Council ordered Iran to stop enrichment.
Iran has not.
Iran is violating it's UN treaties as well as it's NPT treaty.

The current head of the IAEA is Japanese, the previous was Egyptian.
Israel has no representation on the IAEA board.
Saudi Arabia said they will get the bomb if Iran does.
Other countries will too.

[cosmicone]

16. Iran only stopped complying

when the demands to shut the program down were made.

[bananas]

17. No, that's backwards, they were not complying before the demand to stop.

In November 2003 IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reported that Iran had repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program.[21] <snip>

This was reported to the UN Security Council in 2006,[68] after which the Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Iran suspend its enrichment.[69] <snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons

[bananas]

14. Yes, it is.

The NPT requires members to comply with their IAEA safeguard agreements.
The IAEA found them in non-compliance.
So the IAEA handed it to the UN Security Council.
The UN Security Council ordered Iran to stop enrichment until these issues were resolved.
Iran hasn't stop enrichment.

http://www.un.org/en/conf/npt/2010/npttext.shtml

Article III

1. Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes to accept safeguards, as set forth in an agreement to be negotiated and concluded with the International Atomic Energy Agency <snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons

Iran is a party to the NPT but was found in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and the status of its nuclear program remains in dispute. In November 2003 IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reported that Iran had repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program.[21] After about two years of EU3-led diplomatic efforts and Iran temporarily suspending its enrichment program,[67] the IAEA Board of Governors, acting under Article XII.C of the IAEA Statute, found in a rare non-consensus decision with 12 abstentions that these failures constituted non-compliance with the IAEA safeguards agreement.[22] This was reported to the UN Security Council in 2006,[68] after which the Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Iran suspend its enrichment.[69] Instead, Iran resumed its enrichment program.[70]

[Sunlei]

18. That's Dubai and the Saudis problem..the 2 closest rich countries. Hire dubai citizen cheney.

Iran knows damn well what happens to them if they attack US or our allies. They will be a country of slag glass.

If they have some nuke disaster it will flow right towards their neighboring countries. Let the Saudis handle their neighbor.

[yurbud]

20. that's what the Saudis pay us to do.

[Sunlei]

21. Let the Saudis pay Dubai-cheney contractors directly instend of through USA federal $$ system.

Saudis would get more BANG for their bucks if they cut out all the war profiteer middlemen anyway.

They hired Blackwater to keep protests out of their countries.., did the Saudis send them to Egypt yet?

[yurbud]

19. they would be foolish NOT to develop nuclear weapons since we have invaded their neighbors on two

of their borders.

What else is going to stop us from invading short of Russia extending a nuclear umbrella to Iran?

[Politicalboi]

22. What, no desert winds, not enough sun?

I would think Iran would be better off with wind and solar power. The wind turbines can create water too.