Bradley Manning says he wants to live as a woman named Chelsea, begin hormone therapy.
Source: Washington Post
FORT MEADE, Md. Bradley Manning plans to live as a woman named Chelsea and wants to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible, the soldier said Thursday, a day after being sentenced to 35 years in prison for sending classified material to WikiLeaks.
Manning announced the decision in a written statement provided to NBCs Today show, asking supporters to refer to him by his new name and the feminine pronoun. The statement was signed Chelsea E. Manning.
As I transition into this next phase of my life, I want everyone to know the real me. I am Chelsea Manning. I am a female. Given the way that I feel, and have felt since childhood, I want to begin hormone therapy as soon as possible, the statement read.
Mannings defense attorney David Coombs told Today in an interview that he is hoping officials at the military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan., will accommodate Mannings request for hormone therapy.
Read more: Linkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/national/bradley-manning-attorney-plans-new-tactics-in-fight-to-free-him-including-presidential-pardon/2013/08/22/a3739566-0b02-11e3-89fe-abb4a5067014_story.html to source
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Like the man said.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Not so, I guess.
avebury
(10,952 posts)NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)this will be totally used to discredit him even more...
You can only imagine the FauxNews assholes reporting this... ugh.
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)this is poor timing in my opinion. It will only be used to discredit her, as you said.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)RKP5637
(67,102 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Starting with the apparent advice from Assange to download 750,00 files rather than select those that were relevant to his point.
Sadly he will have to bear the burden of it while the others that have profited or used him will not.
A different timing and different wording would have been in Manning's interest.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8963582/Private-Bradley-Manning-wanted-to-call-himself-Breanna-on-Twitter-US-military-court-is-told.html
http://www.queerty.com/bradley-manning-to-transition-to-a-woman-i-am-chelsea-i-am-a-female-20130822/
"Mannings gender identity disorder had been a central part of her defense, as she had hoped joining the military would in effect cure her. Previously, a photo of Manning dressed as a woman that she had sent to her superiors illustrating what she deemed my problem found its way onto the internet."
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I'm grateful for Chelsea that it's 2013 and not 1983 when my cousin killed himself during his transition because society was so vicious at the time.
I understand your concerns which I think come more from a fear she'll be attacked but every day she puts this off is intense psychological torture with a high risk of depression and a higher risk of suicide. The timing is only *bad* because it makes her more vulnerable to abuse in a homophobic military environment but where it's *good* is IF they allow her hormone therapy, it will help her be non-depressive and stay balanced.
If Chelsea were in a Federal Prison, she'd be better off because DOJ finally got around to writing some vague legislation for the Prison Rape Elimination Act of Congress passed 10 years ago. It vaguely states that, in order to eliminate prison rape, prison officials need to evaluate each transgender prisoner on a case by case basis and house them appropriately (to reduce prison rape). Their anatomy, pre or post op, and where they are in the transition have nothing to do with it, just their vulnerability to abuse and where they'd be safest. Unfortunately, this act doesn't extend to military prisons.
There's already a very determined and dedicated network in place to push the archaic military prison system for her.
The military has already flat out stated they won't accommodate this, much less hormone therapy and surgery, but they'll provide psychological and psychiatric counseling.
Thankfully her attorney, the LGBTQ network that has been supporting her since the beginning and the ACLU are on it.
Here is what the ACLU had to say this morning. It's only a brief statement for now but expect more.
Submitted by sosadmin on Thu, 08/22/2013 - 12:33
The following can be attributed to Chase Strangio, staff attorney with the ACLU's Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender Project:
In response to Chelsea Manning's disclosure that she is female, has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and will be seeking hormone therapy as a part of her transition during her incarceration, public statements by military officials that the Army does not provide hormone therapy to treat gender dysphoria raise serious constitutional concerns. Gender dysphoria is a serious medical condition in which a person's gender identify does not correspond to his or her assigned sex at birth, and hormone therapy is part of the accepted standards of care for this condition. Without the necessary treatment, gender dysphoria can cause severe psychological distress, including anxiety and suicide. When the government holds individuals in its custody, it must provide them with medically necessary care.
The official policy of the Federal Bureau of Prisons and most state agencies is to provide medically necessary care for the treatment of gender dysphoria, and courts have consistently found that denying such care to prisoners based on blanket exclusions violates the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution.
http://www.privacysos.org/node/1157
The ACLU, her attorney and her LGBTQ network are already gearing up for a fight because gender reassignment surgery is now available to transgender inmates who did not begin treatment prior to entering federal custody (<<the link is to the prison memo).
The decision is based on new rules adopted by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons as part of a court settlement for inmate Vanessa Adams, formerly Nicholas Adams, who was diagnosed with gender identity disorder in 2005, and, after being denied treatment, tried to castrate herself with a razor and attempted to and ultimately succeeded in amputating her penis.
A May 31 memo issued to wardens at the nation's 116 federal prisons and made public by gay rights groups states: "current, accepted standards of care" will be applied to inmates who believe they are the wrong gender.
Under the bureau's previous policy, issued in 2005, only federal inmates with a preexisting diagnosis were eligible for transgender-related care, which was limited to treatments that would maintain them "only at the level of change which existed when they were incarcerated."
"The (new) treatment plan may include elements or services that were, or were not, provided prior to incarceration, including, but not limited to: those elements of real life experience consistent with the prison environment, hormone therapy and counseling," the memo from bureau medical director Newton Kendig states.
http://www.thirdage.com/news/surgery-while-in-prison-now-an-option-for-transgender-inmates_10-04-2011
Here's a press release from GLAD about the Sept 2011 policy change.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Here's some educational materials for you:
http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender
GLAAD's transgender media guide
Always use a transgender person's chosen name. Often transgender people cannot afford a legal name change or are not yet old enough to change their name legally. They should be afforded the same respect for their chosen name as anyone else who lives by a name other than their birth name (e.g., celebrities).
Whenever possible, ask transgender people which pronoun they would like you to use. A person who identifies as a certain gender, whether or not that person has taken hormones or had some form of surgery, should be referred to using the pronouns appropriate for that gender.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)Interesting ...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:14 AM - Edit history (1)
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)A pre-op transexual is still considered their original gender by the justice system. They dont switch until they have completed gender-reassignment surgery.
djg21
(1,803 posts)The Eighth Amendment requires that prisoners be provided with adequate medical care. I don't see why the government, or taxpayers, should be required to pay for gender reassignment surgery, or hormone therapy. Manning should be required to wait until he is out of custody after being pardoned, paroled, or maxed out on his sentence.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)mental health therapy (that I think Manning received for years, even before his troubles w/ the feds)Gender reassignment is not just final surgery. Hormone treatment is a part of the therapy and Manning has a right to it.
All the more reason for Obama to parden him with 'time served' . Because if it's a 'for profit' contractor taking 'taxpayer money'...you know any medicine will become a million a day tablet treatment.
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)military.
After he is done with his sentence so if he still wants to do the change in 20+/- years from now he will have to pay for it himself assuming he can get the cash together.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)won't be 20+ years. right now it's about 7 years with goodtime.
I'm sure a lot of people (me included) who will keep asking for a pardon. I feel he was punished enough, especially with the harsh treatment he got in the beginning.
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)say that such hormone treatments are purely elective on his part and refuse to cover it because its not something deemed a medical necessity like say heart surgery and or treatment for cancer would be.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)You are welcome.
Gender and Genetics
http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)is none of their concern.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)she asked to be addressed as such. You for some strange reason keep using male pronouns when talking about her.
Even after you were provided with basic info about Gender and Genetics.
Any reason why other than bigotry and transphobia?
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)and why thus its entirely relevant to the case in point.
I may of course be wrong and the military will in time allow the stuff like hormone therapy to go forward but I wouldnt bet any money on it.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)There's been some Congressional/DOJ progress which unfortunately doesn't seem to apply to military prisons yet. The ACLU and her attorney are going to deal with that disparity. I put a little more information in post 67.
or perpetrating abuse, including identifying those who may be at risk because of their transgender
status, gender nonconformity, sexual orientation, or intersex condition. The individuals own perception
of their vulnerability must also be considered.
...
Housing transgender people
▪
Decisions about where a transgender person, or a person with an intersex condition, is housed must
be made on a case-by-case basis; they cannot be made solely on the basis of a persons anatomy or
gender assigned at birth. This means that, for example, every transgender woman must be assessed
individually to determine whether she would be best housed with other women instead of in a mens
facility. An individuals views regarding their personal safety must be seriously considered.
▪
These decisions must be reassessed at least twice per year to consider changed circumstances such
as incidents of abuse or changes in an individuals appearance or medical treatment.
▪
All transgender people and people with intersex conditions must be given the opportunity to shower
separately from other inmates if they wish, regardless of where they are housed.
...
http://nicic.gov/Library/026361
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Please, edit your post.
Seedersandleechers
(3,044 posts)Though not a federal prison if an inmate comes into our facility already on hormone therapy - male or female we continue that therapy for the duration of their stay.
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)Female Defense Department prisoners go to the Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar, Calif.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)who ruined his life with some bad decisions. Very sad.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Response to loudsue (Reply #5)
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RC
(25,592 posts)Most of us around here have a different opinion about that.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)We must reward our intelligence analysts who give away top-secret documents. Yay!
RC
(25,592 posts)Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)That's not domestic though - yet, that I know of. I am concerned about the people running the NSA's unconstitutional and illegal spying network. General Alexander, Glen Clapper, etc. Also include some the people the Obama has appointed to various agencies. You know, Republicans that served in the bu$h administration.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Nothing more.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)at least you're a consistent ignoramus.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)Yes, of course. He should have kept his effing mouth shut about how we kill journalists and rescuers and children.
Sometimes I don't believe what I read on this site.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Especially since Hillary Clinton is already pissed at Manning for embarassing her. This has got to seal it, Manning has no chance of release during any time of a Clinton administration.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)those guys had it all together.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php
FYI its been years since Manning blew that case wide open and still no prosecution for it. Yet Manning is in jail.
Just wanted to make sure you understood what side you were on.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)You'd probably be calling him a hero and somebody very brave. But expose war crimes and have a sex change? He's one mixed up young man.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)For one thing, people undergoing treatment - as Manning is - for gender dysphoria aren't "mixed-up." They know what has to be done to make them happy, whole people, and they're doing it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)is under a great deal of stress. Stress, disappointment and grief often cloud a person's judgment. Pronouncements like this immediately following an extremely stressful event are often recanted.
HOPE IT HELPS!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Can you give an example of a time that such an announcement was recanted, since it happens often?
GeorgeGist
(25,318 posts)you really look foolish.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)ignorance after you educate yourself.
Gender and Genetics
http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Anyone who thinks being transgendered makes someone "mixed-up" is a bigot.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It's all just stress and pressure, ya know.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The idea that someone would decide to go through a sex change just because they are under stress is just plain absurd.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Couldn't it be the latter?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)A bigot can be taught and still refuses to learn.
Ignorance is forgivable and workable, actually. Someone who was merely ignorant would take the education being laid out before them and try to learn from it, and maybe even apologize.
Bigotry is not forgivable. Someone who is a bigot refuses to learn, cops an attitude about being taught a little basic info, labels themselves as "the enemy" to the LGBT community and sometimes threatens to withdraw "support" for the community. They usually make numerous rude comments in other threads and sulk for a long time after being partially educated. We see that a lot here on DU.
donheld
(21,311 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)prisoners? I've done a couple of searches and can't find any info. I know some inmates in state prisons receive treatment.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)The military is not required to do so. I believe the attorney says he is going to press the issue with the military. Some others have commented that perhaps he could be moved to federal prison where it has been done.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)MSNBC just issued a statement that said there will be no hormone therapy provided by the military. I was a Navy nurse for 22 years, never saw a case where the military provided that service to anyone, active duty, retired, or dependent.
sgsmith
(398 posts)1. PURPOSE: This Veterans Health Administration (VHA) Directive establishes policy
regarding the respectful delivery of health care to transgender and intersex Veterans who are enrolled in the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) health care system or are otherwise eligible for VA care.
2. BACKGROUND: In accordance with the medical benefits package (title 38 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) section 17.38), VA provides care and treatment to Veterans that is compatible with generally accepted standards of medical practice and determined by appropriate health care professionals to promote, preserve, or restore the health of the individual.
a. VA provides health care for transgender patients, including those who present at various points on their transition from one gender to the next. This applies to all Veterans who are enrolled in VAs health care system or are otherwise eligible for VA care, including those who have had sex reassignment surgery outside of VHA, those who might be considering such surgical intervention, and those who do not wish to undergo sex reassignment surgery but self identify as transgender. Intersex individuals may or may not have interest in changing gender or in acting in ways that are discordant with their assigned gender.
b. VA does not provide sex reassignment surgery or plastic reconstructive surgery for
strictly cosmetic purposes.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)People who are dishonorably discharged are not considered veterans and are not entitled to veterans' benefits.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)trying to stop Manning from getting any such treatment while in a military prison.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Nice move.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And I'm straight as they come.
FreeState
(10,570 posts)She might have been born a male, but she identifies as a female that is attracted to men.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)But it might take a day or two to make it automatic. It's in transition, like she said.
FreeState
(10,570 posts)Hopefully some day it won't be all that unusual or new.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I think Mannings coming out like this could have a formative effect on the future, but I fear for "her" too.
salib
(2,116 posts)Perhaps this is just the PTB impressing upon others what they can do to someone with torture.
Remember, torture is NOT done to obtain information. It is done to change someone's story, or create new ones.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)all the work they've put into demonizing "Bradley".
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Don't really see him as one of a their Headhunters.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Or maybe just a slow news day at the Washington Post?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)fuck Fox News or anyone who will make fun of her.
7962
(11,841 posts)Hard to believe with this site being what it is. I read elsewhere on another thread about some rough comments and had to see for myself here.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)let me guess...
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Really.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Just what WAS the point of that post?
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Are you opposed to that?
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)if he wants to live his life as Chelsea instead of Bradley in his mind that's his choice.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)He is some background info:
Why is this the prison's problem?
Doctors who treat transgender people and advocates who lobby on their behalf say that inmates are legally entitled to health care while incarcerated -- including services for gender identity issues.
Treatment for people with severe gender dysphoria is medically necessary, said Dr. Sherman Leis of the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery, who performs sex-change operations three days a week.
Just as diabetics need insulin and people with heart problems need surgery, inmates with gender identity-related health problems require the most appropriate treatment, said Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality.
This is America; we do not deny prisoners health care, Keisling said. What happens if they break a leg while theyre in custody? What happens if they develop schizophrenia? It is illegal to withhold those treatments.
http://t.nbcnews.com/health/beginning-gender-change-prison-long-shot-6C10974050
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)if Manning is a woman in a male's body then that is what he is.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Did you not read this part?
Treatment for people with severe gender dysphoria is medically necessary, said Dr. Sherman Leis of the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery, who performs sex-change operations three days a week.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)and there is no obligation from the US taxpayer to pay for treatment beyond the physical and psychological problems that all of us have or may experience.
If I had a psychological condition where I was believed or felt I was a bunny rabbit, should the government be obliged to make me one?
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)You have made it abundantly clear that you believe this is some sort of mental affliction.
Please stop posting this ugliness.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)The tax payer has no responsibility to make Manning appear to be a female. Once he gets out of prison he can undergo the physical procedures of outward transformation at his own expense.
When did I say its a mental affliction? I said if he is a woman in a man's body then that is who he is. I never said he needed to be treated psychologically for that.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Who the hell do you think you're kidding?
In addition to inferring (do look up the word, champ) that Manning suffers from a mental disorder, you have now doubled down with "make Manning appear to be a female".
SHE is female and your comments are disgusting.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)which has been my point the entire time.
SylviaD
(721 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)If his only point is that he, as a taxpayer, doesn't want to fund her reassignment surgery then he could say it without being purposefully offensive.
IF that was his point.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)should be paid by the taxpayer. Ms. Manning will have to remain the person she is for the time being, not the person she wants to be IMO.
SylviaD
(721 posts)bamacrat
(3,867 posts)Or what about a man with a small penis who feels he should have been born hung? You are right that there is nothing wrong with this person being trans or whatever, but the government should not pay for that.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)it is essentially an elective process to transform oneself physically. And frankly, if one believes that you need a physical transformation and/or need to take substances to become what you think you are, then maybe you really aren't that to begin with.
Being satisfied or dissastisfied with how you look isn't the same as being what you are.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Please educate yourself - or not, as you please - but don't continue trying to defend your position from a perspective of ignorance.
You may not be deliberately trying to look like ugly, but that's the effect.
SylviaD
(721 posts)FreeState
(10,570 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)This is not a good day.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)= (
I'm sorry to all the trans people who have to read this offensive nonsense.
I'm also sorry that so many "democrats" think hateful bigoted speech towards you is OK. These last few days have been very telling when it comes to LGBT acceptance on this board.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)Stating that government tax money should not be used for hormone therapy is not bigoted. The LGBT community is way over the top on this issue. It drives away people who support gay rights.
Do murderers or rapists get hormone therapy?
What about all the people who want lobster in prison?
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)alert in your inbox (open the message), on the bottom there should be 'alert abuse' option. That would send it directly to admins. I beleive there will be an option for you to explain why you are asking admin to look at it.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)There is an option to alert those results. I'll have to think about how to word it. Thanks for the suggestion!
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Good luck and thank you for alerting.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)government that is doing the incarcerating, in this case the federal government, to provide necessary health care to inmates. If doctors conclude that Manning requires treatment for the sake of his health then it should be paid for just like they would treat him for cancer or anything else.
sgsmith
(398 posts)Basically, a civilian could transition, undergoing hormone replacement therapy and gender surgery. If, after transition, the civilian was jailed, the government does become responsible for their health care.
But the military is a strange case, seeing how the military "owns" your body once you enlist. That's one of the precepts that allows them to send a soldier off to war - they own you and do with you what they want.
Ms Manning is still part of the Army, although as a convicted soldier, so the Army's ownership claim is still in place. And the services consider that a physical transition is damaging to their property.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)It is simply immoral and wrong to deny medically necessary treatment whether the military "owns" their enlistees or not. If it is the military's policy to deny treatment then that policy needs to be changed even if it requires a direct order from the commander in chief.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)The state is not going to do that, just like they are not going to perform any medical procedure requested by the inmates to satisfy them emotionally.
bamacrat
(3,867 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)by a physician in order to maintain good health, not just to keep them alive.
bamacrat
(3,867 posts)It seems odd that this comes out now (No pun), had the defense used this in some way to show the mental turmoil he may have been going through ok. But there are really mental health issues in our prison system that should be addressed before Bradley is made into a woman. Let his family pay for it if it is that pressing a matter.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)And this is still here? I've been forceful with my words before (never racist, homophobic or trans-phobic) and have gotten very prompt very stern messages from moderators. If bigotry is allowed to stand, it's going to send a message to our LGBT members.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)7th Court of Appeals, Wisconsin anti-trans law struck down. State cannot deny inmates medical treatment, including HRT for trans individuals.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Due to cancer?
Autumn
(45,044 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)and get into a safer womens wing.
Sadly I fear he will be dead shortly after arriving at Leavenworth.
Suicide from abuse or murder.
It's not safe to be in prison in America.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)My son went to jail for a couple of weeks on a misdemeanor. He told the police he was gay so that he wouldn't have to be locked up with male inmates (he wasn't gay). They put him in with the women. I had to go to court at his hearing and he was herded in the women prisoners.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)polynomial
(750 posts)We are children of a universe made through some kind of creation that is fine tuned. Many agree it is a God that exists however, God speed has a different time line than humanity of today. We the people or the person may choose a life style towards that infinity in time. This could be what Manning is doing, considering how the current culture is so screwed up might as well work through that personal dream called a free will.
From my view again a whole lot of courage with a lot of speculation is within this path of life as a transgender. Would it be a simple reward from the divine works of life with expert help in medical technology that Manning could very well have a chance to transform into the Diva many would admire, justice turned around into personal gift by a personal decision.
If the Constitution really works plus if the technology exists a person should be able to make a choice as the new millennium turns, so does humanity. We should be able to ascend in any direction. Just one thing the decider must beware! There are consequences in written or unwritten laws of man and nature that if violated could take on a journey that is not reversible or will not stay within the limits of humanity as we now know it. The risk in undermined. The reward can be unlimited.
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)...if only "Scooter" Libby were in prison and Manning not...
RZM
(8,556 posts)Libby was sentenced to 30 months in prison. He would have had to serve it had Bush not commuted it. But he would have been out by 2010 even if he had done the full term.
gussmith
(280 posts)This surely is one courageous person making such a declaration when prison populations are his future.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)The amount of Transphobia in this thread is heartbreaking. I knew I shouldn't have clicked this.
FreeState
(10,570 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)They have shown their true colors.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Some people even think there's something wrong with it and that it can bring shame or discredit her. There was one OP when her pictures were first released which was just utterly appalled that she would release such pictures, as if it would damage her image. Disgraceful.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Her treatment has been absurd, in my opinion.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)It's done and over with and they seem at peace with how things went down.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)If Manning want to get to Butner, there's a pretty quick way to do that.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)i'm loving it.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,563 posts)just when I thought things couldn't get any stranger............. now this! He's setting himself ( or herself) up for a big time problem if military prison for a prolonged period of time is in the cards. The harassment will be relentless.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)Nine
(1,741 posts)I don't think I've ever commented on Manning before. Regardless of what anyone thinks about any of the rest of it, I can't quite understand why people on a progressive board seem to be suggesting that Manning should wait even one more day to start living her life as the person she feels she truly is. The trial is over and if she's going to fight to receive hormone therapy, she might as well start now. If I had 8-35 years of imprisonment ahead of me and felt as she does, I would do the same. What else will she have in the years ahead but her own self, her identity, and her body? It's a bleak existence and I wish her all the happiness she can find.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)for ignorance and bigotry of some of the posters here.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)He has not been on hormones, hasn't had any surgery, has not even had a name change. Is a press release enough to make it official?
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)He wouldn't be eligible for hormone treatment while he is in custody because he wasn't taking it when he was first incarcerated.
But he is still eligible for ither considerations as far as the post conviction classification process goes,
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)You can't make demands AFTER you get sentenced to prison, especially in military court.
I am tired of the whiners who think they are above the law.
And how ironic that they call for the "war criminals" to be put in jail... I guess they feel some prisoners deserve special treatment.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Its crazy.... to be labeled as a hater cause you think something shouldn't be provided for free is absurd.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Not special treatment.
Alamuti Lotus
(3,093 posts)yikes.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Can you elaborate?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)By no means does that influence how I feel about the case.