Turkey would join anti-Syria coalition without UN consensus

[Bosonic]

Source: AFP

Turkey will join an international coalition against neighbouring Syria even if the UN Security Council fails to reach consensus on the issue, its foreign minister said in an interview published on Monday.

"If a coalition is formed against Syria in this process, Turkey will take part in it," Ahmet Davutoglu told the Milliyet newspaper.

UN experts were due to start investigating a suspected Syrian chemical attack on Monday, a day after the Syrian authorities green-lit the inspection.

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And a sceptical Washington weighing military action and coordinating with allies said Syria's acceptance of the probe came too late.

Read more: http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/turkey-join-anti-syria-coalition-without-un-consensus-071852056.html

[dtom67]

1. of course Turkey will join.....

The Nabucco pipeline needs a supply of natural gas to send to western europe. Cue Turkeys' war proclamation.

[branford]

2. What I fear is that Turkey may do something very foolish,

like undertake a large military raid into Syria, and then drag NATO (i.e., the United States) into the Syria mess at a time and in a manner definitely NOT of our choosing.

[freshwest]

3. My fear is that since Syria has been messing with Lebanon and since Lebanon and Israel don't...

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get along that well, and Jordan and Iran aren't far away, this thing could get out of bounds quick.

It appears that there is a coalition of groups led by Hezbollah that stays at a state of war with Israel and gets most of its support from Iran. IDK.

There is sectarian issue with several cults of Islam, and a minorityof Christians, who may get wiped out at this rate. Add in Russia's ties with Iran and Syria, and it's a huge mess.

And what do Egypt and Saudi Arabia want, if anything, out of this?

This will mess up the rest of our lives if this gets going and they drag us into it.

[branford]

4. Hezbollah has already attempted to drag Israel into the Syria quagmire

on multiple occasions by firing rockets into Israeli territory from Lebanon, Syrian and the Golan Heights.

Syrian most definitely is a proxy for wider Islamic sectarianism - the Alawite Assad and his Shia allies of Iran and Hezbollah, against the largely Sunni rebels backed both by Al Qaeda remnants and the majority Sunni Arab and Turkish governments and populations, with strong support, guidance and money from Saudi Arabia.

The recent alleged chemical weapon attack is just one of many atrocities committed by both sides in a conflict without a "good guy" anywhere in sight.

Turkey, however, presents an unique problem because they are a NATO member with a very large and capable military, who is under increasing stress because of the violence on its border and resulting refugee problem.

[freshwest]

7. So as the most wealthy nation in the area, do you think Saudi Arabia is calling the shots here? They

now have cluster bombs to use on... whoever.

Assad has the Sarin. Hezbollah has money from Iran and seems bent on genocide. This Alawite sect is a new one to me, I'd only heard of Sunnis, Shia, Sufis and Wahabists. All about interpretations of their Book, like the Protestant and Catholic sects had in Europe for centuries.

As to who is getting rich off this, IDK but think that is very important. I may be naive, but I'm hoping it's not all about religion.

Well, I take that back. I hope the whole thing settles down. And that they find a solution that doesn't involve the USA.

[branford]

9. Alawites are basically a version of Shia, a minority in Syria.

Although I would certainly never claim to be an expert in the region, I doubt Saudi Arabia is calling the shots. However, as they supply much of the money and arms, their opinions certainly are given great weight.

[Alamuti Lotus]

10. Oh really? Provide a credible example of one such occasion

You allege 'multiple', so this should be a breeze--excepting, of course, the fact that the statement is false, but I will humour it for the moment.

[branford]

11. Are you serious?

Google "Rockets Hezbollah Israel" and you will receive thousands of hits.

Hezbollah is proud of both their active military support of Assad AND their rocket attacks from Lebanon into Israel.

[Alamuti Lotus]

12. That's not an answer, and yes I am serious

Unfortunately, I have extensive knowledge of the subject that I am speaking on. That said, your command did not produce results amenable to your claims. Headlines such as "Israel Bombs Lebanon", "Israel launches air strikes in Lebanon", "Al Qaeda Spinoff Claims Rocket Attack on Israel from Lebanon", etc etc... this most recent event is a beautiful example of the 'disinformation' phrasing I used earlier: some al-Qai'dah fanboys pop off a few firecrackers, Israel (and you) blames Hizbu'llah and carries out an airstrike on a PFLP base in response. Logic train crashes into the airport on that one, so do you have any others?

[branford]

13. I've just read some of you posts in support of Hezbollah.

Disgusting. I would think that you would be proud of their rocket attacks into Israel and support of Assad.

You are free to support this terrorist group, but further discussion with you is pointless.

I thought that you were the run of the mill anti-Israel DU poster, but you are really in a class by yourself.

[Alamuti Lotus]

14. Again, that's not an answer

Thank you for acknowledging that I am in a class of my own, but I don't think it would be safe to assume that you understand much of me beyond that (kudos again, however, for noticing as much early on). Please provide evidence for your blanket assertions, or retract them.

As an aside, I have some stalkers on this site that are apparently keeping some sort of dossier on your humble narrator. You might want to seek out their services if you'd like some choice material for further mudslinging. I'd prefer actual discussion of events, but I know better than to expect it sometimes.

[Bosonic]

5. Syria action possible without full UN backing: Hague

(AFP) British Foreign Secretary William Hague said Monday an international response to the suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria was possible without unanimous UN Security Council backing.

"Is it possible to respond to chemical weapons without complete unity on the UN Security Council? I would argue yes," he told the BBC.

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Asked about the possibility of military strikes this week, Hague said: "I'm not going to rule anything in or out, I'm not going to speculate about that in public."

"It is possible to take actions based on great humanitarian need and humanitarian distress, it is possible to do that under many scenarios," he said.

http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/syria-action-possible-without-full-un-backing-hague-091956630.html

[bowens43]

6. of course , the old coalition bullshit again. Meet the new boss......

[ConcernedCanuk]

8. Sorta makes the name "United Nations" a misnomer, AND an oxymoron

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