Syria accuses Kerry of lying, disregarding UN

[dipsydoodle]

Last edited Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Associated Press

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) -- Syria has accused U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry of lying by claiming there is "undeniable" evidence of a large-scale chemical weapons attack in Syria likely carried out by the regime.

A statement on the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency says Kerry's insistence on "jumping over" the work of U.N. experts in Syria shows that the U.S. has deliberate intentions to exploit events.

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SANA in the statement Tuesday said Kerry has "fabricated" evidence.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-08-27-05-01-43

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It would seem that AP have reused their link. The original as posted is here at Huffington with paras resorted : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/27/syria-john-kerry_n_3821469.html

[bowens43]

1. There is precedent for a US Secretary of State lying to get us into a war....

[chelsea0011]

2. Ain't that the truth. From the Gulf Gulf Tonkin to Iraq, this country has lied to it's people.

And therein lies the problem. I'm someone who does believe that Assad is more than likely responsible for this attack. But now our country asks us to once again to believe in them when their record is so disturbing and in many ways criminal. How can I get behind them once again when I know they have burned us in the past? Maybe we should look back to the RW's great leader and our country's past POTUS, Ronald Reagan, who just chose to ignore Sadaam's attack on the Kurds and follow his footsteps and sit back on this one.

[warrant46]

21. Hey Dust this guy off, he's available and after all it worked before

The Sec of State Redux

At the UN, Colin Powell holds a model vial of anthrax, while arguing that Iraq is likely to possess WMDs.

[ConcernedCanuk]

26. As I've said in other threads, USA has no business over there.

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Russia, China, Israel are well equipped to defend themselves.

Why the hell does the USA want to stick their nose in, other than to prove their immense Military Power?

In the question, therein lies the answer IMO.

CC

[karynnj]

6. True - and there is precedent for an Assad massacring his own people - which is more likely

That the Syrian media is denying that there even was a massacre - rather than who did it is interesting.

[leveymg]

10. There is precedent for the opposition using chemical weapons and blaming the regime - most likely

* Unlikely - no chemical weapons used.

* More likely - chemical weapons used by regime.

* Most likely - chemical weapons used by opposition and blamed on the regime, as occurred here:

Syria's Civil War: The Mystery Behind a Deadly Chemical Attack ...
world.time.com/ http://world.time.com/2013/04/01/syrias-civil-war-the-mystery-behind-a-deadly-chemical-attack/
Apr 1, 2013 - And as the owner of Syria's only chlorine-gas manufacturing plant, Sabbagh ... the Syrian government and the opposition traded accusations.

and here:

U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator
GENEVA | Sun May 5, 2013 6:13pm EDT http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/05/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

(Reuters) - U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

[karynnj]

14. I agree with most of your analysis

Without the 5 days of shelling the area that was attacked, I would have listed things in the same order. Assume for a minute that the rebels did do this. The regime could immediately get the inspectors already in the country in there to record what happened and to test the residue and determine the origin of the canisters/missiles etc. This could dry up western support for the rebels.

[Coyotl]

15. Or, there is precedent for Big Oil to do just about anything to keep prices very high.

Governments are not the only players in the military world anymore. When some of the largest corporations have or are mercenary armies/covert operators, we can look beyond the pawns and look to the puppet masters.

[leveymg]

23. One precedent was Cheney's Energy Task Force that was already carving up Iran.

But, first they had to get rid of Syria, and planning for that goes back to the PNAC documents, including the 1997 "Clean Break" manifesto, part of the New Israel Project written for then PM Benjamin Netanyahu by a group of American neocons,including Doug Feith, the Wurmsers,and Richard Perle who went on to head up the Pentagon unit in charge of cooked intelligence for the Iraq invasion. The Clean Break document called for grand strategy of serial regime changes starting in Iraq, followed by Syria and Lebanon, and finally Iran: http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Then, there is the religious war against the Shi'ia, a 1,200 year old Jihad, currently being financed by Saudi oil revenues . . . there's a whole Perfect Storm of influences at work pushing the US into war in Syria.

[Turbineguy]

3. Didn't they a few days ago

say the opposition had used the chemicals?

[dipsydoodle]

5. That was the UN said that.

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[blm]

28. What was the real headline and why did you replace it?

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[dipsydoodle]

30. I didn't - see reply #29

Huffington still carries the original http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/27/syria-john-kerry_n_3821469.html

[Alamuti Lotus]

4. Kerry's own little "Colin Powell moment" doesn't have the Syrians wetting themselves?

This ludicrous and single-minded compulsion that the forces of arrogance have for their latest impending aggression seems to be tripping over the leftovers from past PR spectacles. The increasingly hysterical performances reek more and more of desperate obsession.

[karynnj]

7. Kerry did not have a "Colin Powell" moment

There was no fake proof on anything here. Not to mention that this is a man - who sought a political solution until last Wednesday.

[Celefin]

9. Isn't going to war with no proof just as bad as going to war with fake proof?

The outcome will be the same, although the embarrassment will be somewhat milder in case proof to the contrary of the official storyline turns up.

Seriously, what good is going to come from this? What's the plan for the aftermath?
'Fuck Assad, we're taking him out' simply isn't enough. We've been there.

Whatever this is, a 'humanitarian intervention' it is not.
What is the actual goal of intervention (apart from killing Assad)?
If only for once some named official would state where they actually want this to lead. What is the plan?

We should stay OUT of Syria.
There is no political solution.
There is also no military solution.
There is only money to be made and people to be killed.

[Celefin]

8. Sadly, they'll get their war anyway

Obama's 'red line' went by the name of 'smoking gun' back in 2003.

They didn't even bother with a new script, just exchanged the actors for the remake.
Movie still sucks.

[OnlinePoker]

11. The Obama administration's transition into the Bush administration is almost complete. n/t

[dipsydoodle]

12. Its known as Animal Farm.

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[ConcernedCanuk]

24. Read the book - more than once.

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"some are more equal than others" sticks in my head

1% still rules.

(sigh)

CC

[dipsydoodle]

25. I've read the book on occasions since childhood

and seen the film numerous times too.

Yes - "some are more equal than others"

[Arctic Dave]

13. Why be nice about it.

Kerry was full of shit up there.

They have ZERO proof of who did it. He is just being tool for the PNAC.

Fuck, he probably doesn't care one way or another, he just thinking it will be good for his stock portfolio.

[William769]

16. Is the Arab League lying also?

[dipsydoodle]

17. Where did they get their information from ?

If it was the USA its not worth a toss.

For those who don't know - toss is toss of a coin.

[William769]

18. Are your blinders that thick?

Really?

[dipsydoodle]

19. Proof would only be valid from the UN

whose only remit at present is determining what chemicals and how used : not culprits.

[William769]

20. Agreed. and when the U.N. Finally asses what is already known

I expect apologies from many here. But you and I both know that is going to happen. I'll have plenty of paper towels to pass out so people can get the egg off their faces.

[yoloisalie]

22. We know they lied about Libya

They should be called league of Sunni Arab dictator/monarchy nations. They are enemies of Iran and her allies and just about any statement from them about Iran, Syria, Libya etc should be disregarded as biased against them. If they said the sky is blue over Syria, one should verify that claim before believing it.

[MADem]

27. The headline says: PRESSURE GROWS FOR MILITARY ACTION AGAINST SYRIA

What's with the focus on Kerry, when he's not the only one calling for decisive, punitive action?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-08-27-05-01-43

French President Francois Hollande added his voice to the growing clamor for action, saying France is "ready to punish those who took the heinous decision to gas innocents."

The Arab League also threw its weight behind calls for punitive action, blaming the Syrian government for the toxic attack that activists say killed hundreds of people and calling for the perpetrators to be brought to justice. The announcement by the 22-member body, which is dominated by Gulf powerhouses Saudi Arabia and Qatar, provides indirect Arab cover for any potential military attack by Western powers.

[dipsydoodle]

29. AP edited their headline and narrative whilst maintaining the same link.

The BBC and Reuters do that from time to time too. I just cut and pasted as was at the time I posted.

Huffington still carries the original http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/27/syria-john-kerry_n_3821469.html

[BillyRibs]

31. Their Right!