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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:13 PM Aug 2013

Gohmert: ‘Scary’ that liberal elites would use vaccines for ‘culling the population’ of humans

Source: Raw Story

Gohmert: ‘Scary’ that liberal elites would use vaccines for ‘culling the population’ of humans
By David Edwards
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 13:51 EDT

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) on Monday said that it was a “scary thought” that elites could be culling the population with vaccines to preserve the Earth’s resources.

The Texas Republican spent part of his five-week break from Congress this week by interviewing conservative activist Alan Keyes while filling in as a guest host for Tony Perkins on Family Research Council’s Washington Watch.

Gohmert pointed out that some liberals believed that the Earth was already over populated.

“A lot of people who fancy themselves elites, right, because they’ve made a lot of money, they’re names are all over the media and so forth, they’ve really signed on to an agenda that requires the depopulation of the globe,” Keyes explained. “And in the name of fighting global climatological change, called global warming — that’s proven to be something that’s wrong — they are saying that we’ve got to cut back the population of the world.”


Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/27/gohmert-scary-that-liberal-elites-would-use-vaccines-for-culling-the-population-of-humans/

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Gohmert: ‘Scary’ that liberal elites would use vaccines for ‘culling the population’ of humans (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2013 OP
the world is heading for over population.. iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #1
I'd say way beyond heading - we've been there for a while rurallib Aug 2013 #13
world pop at 7,107,561,540 at 9:44 pm EST. Is that enough for you, Gomer? wordpix Aug 2013 #70
With a western lifestyle, the maximum number of sustainable himans on Earth is between 3 & 3.5B Xithras Aug 2013 #86
glad to know iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #89
That solution does have technical problems. caseymoz Aug 2013 #90
Space exploration can never really be a viable solution to our current overpopulation problems. Xithras Aug 2013 #93
the world is heading for over population.. AlbertCat Aug 2013 #98
Geebus... Does his ignorance know no bounds? hlthe2b Aug 2013 #2
I wonder if people know he was a judge in Tx. I was watching a rerun episode winterpark Aug 2013 #40
republicans in Texas? that would be a big fat NO Skittles Aug 2013 #94
Dan Brown's new book Inferno has this as the plot The Second Stone Aug 2013 #3
And it is fiction Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #7
I agree leftynyc Aug 2013 #21
I thought this country had hit rock bottom back when the GOP was whoring Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #42
Yes it is. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #57
Well, GOLLEY!!! dorkulon Aug 2013 #4
The crazy, it burns.... Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #5
These people are absolutely deranged! They make accusations like this with no credible evidence Arkansas Granny Aug 2013 #6
+1 hamsterjill Aug 2013 #32
Derp. KamaAina Aug 2013 #8
That guy is too crazy to be running loose. Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #9
If he said the one percent is doing this I would believe him. AikidoSoul Aug 2013 #10
Skinner answered the time zone question here: freshwest Aug 2013 #99
Maybe Gohmert and Keyes and friends IrishAyes Aug 2013 #104
I remember that one. Same theme in THEY LIVE, and it goes into all the societal ramifications: freshwest Aug 2013 #107
I've been hearing that the "global elite" are gonna sterilize people by the billions MisterP Aug 2013 #11
I believe that Mr. Gohmert is self-aware enough to realize... RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #12
Can we put him on the "B" ark? Bette Noir Aug 2013 #64
Phone sanitizers actually serve a purpose... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #71
The entire remaining population of Golgafrincham was wiped out by a virus spread by dirty telephones longship Aug 2013 #101
very true... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #102
I'm just curious about the mechanism whereby that whole "culling by preventing disease" thing works. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #14
I can think of a couple of ways they could do this jmowreader Aug 2013 #39
This reminds me of the Right Wing Extremist Christian Fundamentalist Anders Breivik that murdered DhhD Aug 2013 #69
he must be the editor of the lyndon larouche news site. nt Javaman Aug 2013 #15
Some Basic Points adieu Aug 2013 #16
Overpopulation is kinda more complicated than that...... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #58
I completely agree with your adieu Aug 2013 #67
Yes, women has less children as they become more educated and riversedge Sep 2013 #109
Get help, Louie! You're a sick man! nt City Lights Aug 2013 #17
I hear Liberals are also pro-abortion because they're blood offerings for Satan. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #18
A lot of wingers really believe that. IrishAyes Aug 2013 #106
If only it were true... nt Xipe Totec Aug 2013 #19
What scares me is that Hayduke Bomgarte Aug 2013 #20
Vaccines have LED to the overpopulation of the earth, dumbass. maxsolomon Aug 2013 #22
If elites wanted to cull the population, they'd deny vaccines mainer Aug 2013 #23
I'll say that he takes several different types of medications Iliyah Aug 2013 #24
A Fine State Of Affairs colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #25
His attitude is no more offensive or crazy than the notion that vaccines cause autism Orrex Aug 2013 #26
It's considerably more crazy demwing Aug 2013 #29
It's all of a piece IMO Orrex Aug 2013 #36
It is really different. Chemisse Aug 2013 #95
I disagree Orrex Aug 2013 #96
I differ on whether they differ Chemisse Aug 2013 #97
Gohmert, you can't keep a mercuryblues Aug 2013 #27
Dear God get the red out Aug 2013 #28
Did his tinfoil hat come loose? mysuzuki2 Aug 2013 #30
Ending childhood vaccination would lead to greater infant and child mortality... Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #31
You're right Kber Aug 2013 #35
misleading article SansACause Aug 2013 #33
But Gohmert didn't disagree with it, did he? Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #44
Better to cull the population by scaring people away from vaccines? Kber Aug 2013 #34
I agree with him on one point. The earth is over-populated. By one. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #37
This guy is a fucking idiot. blackspade Aug 2013 #38
He forgot to mention..... cynzke Aug 2013 #41
There ought to be a metric fuckload of media outrage for this... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #43
This guy needs to go EC Aug 2013 #45
What is scary is this man has a J.D. and was a sitting Judge Botany Aug 2013 #46
Holy Mother of Cthulhu! This guy passed the bar exam??? Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #53
You got another winner from Tex ASS* too ... Rep. Steve Stockman Botany Aug 2013 #66
Thank you for recognizing that not all Texans are knuckle draggers. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #74
C Wright Mills was a Texan DBoon Aug 2013 #75
It's a mind-numbing horror. Poor, poor Texas. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #56
George Zimmerman's bio dad? freshwest Aug 2013 #100
Conservative Anti-vaccine megachurch linked to Texas measels outbreak. Note Gohmert is R-Texas. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #47
Yup that was my thought exactly. I say he should go sit with some kids DebJ Aug 2013 #91
Tired of conservative lies! smallcat88 Aug 2013 #48
America's Village Idiot Speaks. nt onehandle Aug 2013 #49
Here's what's "scary", you fucking piece of shit Gohmert. Zoeisright Aug 2013 #50
right on.... Divine Discontent Aug 2013 #83
ma... that child ain`t right in the head! madrchsod Aug 2013 #51
Certifiable Yet? n/t fredamae Aug 2013 #52
Since when has climate change been "proven to be something that's wrong"? Arkana Aug 2013 #54
Gohmert's a Teabagger, what did you expect? n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #59
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) wants to KILL & cripple the population with polio,measles,whooping cough Sunlei Aug 2013 #55
Too bad there isn't a vaccine to prevent stupidity. n/t n2doc Aug 2013 #60
KamaAina: 'Scary' that that goober is in Congress. KamaAina Aug 2013 #61
YES, and the plans are hidden in a comic book Ztolkins Aug 2013 #62
Did he not hear about the measles epidemic currently in Texas, Bette Noir Aug 2013 #63
And that church is not that far from his district. Thor_MN Aug 2013 #72
Why does Texas elect cartoon characters to Congress? valerief Aug 2013 #65
Attention VVHore Alert! Rain Mcloud Aug 2013 #68
Sunset Boulevard lunasun Aug 2013 #76
Thank You. Rain Mcloud Aug 2013 #77
Life's a blur to me even without disease- only that is one of my favorite lunasun Aug 2013 #87
I think ol Gomer has the Colonel Kurtz fever. Monk06 Aug 2013 #73
Looks like we missed one rucky Aug 2013 #78
Oh shit. Tippy Aug 2013 #79
Don't worry; it will be offset by the population boom winter is coming Aug 2013 #80
It's astonishing how misinformed these people are. Voice for Peace Aug 2013 #81
I remember reading a sci-fi thriller at least 10 years ago in which . . . ET Awful Aug 2013 #82
Juanita Jean is mocking Louie for these claims Gothmog Aug 2013 #84
Stupid Gohmert. It's the Lizard People, not vaccines! Ian_rd Aug 2013 #85
global warming — that’s proven to be something that’s wrong AAO Aug 2013 #88
That's right, dumbfuck Turbineguy Aug 2013 #92
I heard this one on Shame Insanity Radio show this afternoon. He rambled from one subject to Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #103
Scary that this fucking idiot has a platform. WeekendWarrior Aug 2013 #105
I thought complain jane Sep 2013 #108

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
1. the world is heading for over population..
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:15 PM
Aug 2013

that's just a fact...

now the rest of it, bullshit

tho, I have seen Bill Gates speak about population control (while giving vaccines to folks) ... I dunno if id count bill as a full fledge liberal tho

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
86. With a western lifestyle, the maximum number of sustainable himans on Earth is between 3 & 3.5B
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:59 PM
Aug 2013

So, we have a choice:

1) We can end the western lifestyle and all live in poverty.

2) We can reduce the overall population, allowing the remaining people to continue to live the western lifestyle in a sustainable fashion.

3) We can continue to try and live the western lifestyle in a non-sustainable fashion, until the resources deplete and the entire system crashes of its own accord (reducing the population to sustainable levels the old fashioned way).

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
89. glad to know
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:26 PM
Aug 2013

space exploration in search of a new home to colonize isn't in your deck of cards...

its definitely going to be an option with the way funding is going.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
90. That solution does have technical problems.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:25 PM
Aug 2013

The Earth will have to look really bad before Mars ever looks like a viable option. Same with the Moon. If we're so bad off we'd like to move to Mars, then we're probably too bad off to get there.

And if you're talking about interstellar travel, physics hasn't cut us a break. There's still no way through, under or around the light barrier.

That's not considering other problems, like radiation, like the fact that zero-g is extremely bad for people and eventually fatal.

The failure of space travel as population relief is one of the biggest busts of the 20th century. The other one was nuclear fusion. Without those, our civilization is doomed and the survival of humankind is in doubt.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
93. Space exploration can never really be a viable solution to our current overpopulation problems.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:32 AM
Aug 2013

In order to check our population growth rates, we would need to launch 80.5 million people per year into space. That launched population, when it reaches its new home, will continue to breed as well. With 80.5 million people breeding, and an additional 80.5 million people a year arriving...and THEM all breeding too...how long will that new homeworld take to fill?

At best, it's buying time. In less than a century, that planet would be full as well. And now you will have TWO planets, with 8 billion people each, needing to export 80+ million people a year just to stay stable. So where will that 160 million people go?

The real problem comes a century or two later, when all of the "nearby" colonizable planets are full. Colonists can't spend centuries travelling to a new planet because of the limits of human lifespans. Relatively quickly, they'll end up with a situation where all of the "nearby" planets are already colonized, but the Earth will STILL need to export about 80 million people a year just to stay stable.

Crash.

When people cite space exploration as a solution to overpopulation, they're basically saying "Let's find a way to stall the problem until I die, so somebody else can worry about it." Given the realities of mathematics and physics, there is no way that we can export tens of millions of people per year on an infinite basis just to stabilize our own population. At best, it's buying time for everyone. At worst, it's just offering the wealthier peoples a way to escape the planet to somewhere "pristine" while the poorer masses slowly perish on a dying planet.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
98. the world is heading for over population..
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:58 PM
Aug 2013

Were you not around in the 1970's?

Soylent Green
Logan's Run
Silent Spring
Silent Running

These are all Sci Fi from the 70's that depend on overpopulation for their premises. I know there are many others. They loved the "nature turns on humans" genre.

winterpark

(168 posts)
40. I wonder if people know he was a judge in Tx. I was watching a rerun episode
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:37 PM
Aug 2013

of City Confidential because my guilty pleasure is true crime stories and in this episode, he was the judge at the trial of the greedy bastard that killed his mother. I watched that episode twice to make sure my 4 eyes weren't lyin. And they weren't. Then I wondered how many people were wrongly convicted in his court because of his insane beliefs....

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. I agree
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
Aug 2013

I read it earlier this summer and thought it brought up some very good points with some very bad answers.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
42. I thought this country had hit rock bottom back when the GOP was whoring
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:43 PM
Aug 2013

Michael Crichton's climate change conspiracy novel as honest-to-god truth...Some Big Oil lobbyist group even gave him a *journalism* award for the effort, if you can believe that...

Arkansas Granny

(31,513 posts)
6. These people are absolutely deranged! They make accusations like this with no credible evidence
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:19 PM
Aug 2013

to back them up and there is a certain segment of the population that believes them. It's just mind boggling.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
32. +1
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:08 PM
Aug 2013

Very well said. And they are careful to make those accusations amongst those that believe them already.

Gohmert is a nut case.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
10. If he said the one percent is doing this I would believe him.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:24 PM
Aug 2013

I'm a little worried about how this thread is being treated. To begind with, here on the east coast the time is 2:10 p.m., and yet the OP post time is displayed as 6:13 p.m.

Where is that? In Europe? Shouldn't it show U.S. time?

This post shows the EXTREME levels that the right wing will go to. I would agree with asshole Repug
Gohmert if he said that it was the one percent that had the goal of extreme population control.

That... I can easily believe. They've got most of the money in the world... so how many slaves do they actually need to take care of them?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
99. Skinner answered the time zone question here:
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:59 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10186086#post1

As far as eliminating the competition for resources, that is not new. It's been going on since people learned how to kill each others. Animals do it too.

Gohmert isn't right about anything, and Alex Jones is a Libertarian shill for the John Birch Society which was founded by the Koch family. This is the myth that Gohmert is pushing with this. The Koches are the 1%, not government.

We can argue about the efficacy of vaccines, their manufacture or additives. Jones tells people that the vaccines are given to inject nanobots for mind controlling the population. Anyone who believes all of won't last long at DU per the TOS. Anti-vax beliefs are not in the TOS specifically, but CT is.

Immune response from vaccines or contracting something like measles, mumps and chickenpox is a proven fact. I've had all three and survived. Some don't do so well.

I attended schools with students suffering from polio as a child. The results are not pretty, and we got the vaccine and the rate of polio plummeted to about zero. Those people have lived full lives.

Some diseases like rabies kill people and so did lockjaw. Death by rabies is a sure thing, prolonged and agonizing.That's why vaccines were developed.

We should be concerned about anything we take into our bodies, but not racked by terror which Gohmert and Infowars make their money from selling. They are fascists and will do anything to get rid of government that opposes them.

JMHO. YMMV.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
104. Maybe Gohmert and Keyes and friends
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:51 PM
Aug 2013

saw one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes, "To Serve Man". Space aliens show up and offer to teach humans how to make the Earth another Garden of Eden, following the directions of their sacred text, though they never fully translate it. Soon war's disappeared and all hunger abolished. Then the aliens offer free trips to their home planet to teach humans the nuts and bolts of the method, and people line up in droves. Even the story's main human character gets in line. At the last minute his girlfriend rushes up to the gangplank screaming for him to get off. "We've finally cracked the code of To Serve Man! It's a cookbook!"

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
107. I remember that one. Same theme in THEY LIVE, and it goes into all the societal ramifications:
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:03 AM
Aug 2013


A rebel broadcaster says, 'We might be food, we might be pets...'

A collaborator says, 'We'll do anything to be rich... They're free enterprisers...'

There is longer version with the guy pleading with the heroes to go along. He truly reminds me of the Republicans in Congress:



I do wonder about this stuff at times. That and the aliens living in the Moon stuff. That's a favorite CT.

Microchips aren't needed as they have controlled our minds and human development on Earth for thousands of years, LOL!

On a brighter note, the Death Star (the Moon) is breaking down and we will soon be free!

Hey, I don't make this stuff up, you know. And it is on the internet, so it must be true!!!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
11. I've been hearing that the "global elite" are gonna sterilize people by the billions
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:24 PM
Aug 2013

since the mid-70s (mostly from people attached to regimes excusing getting rid of their forests in order to Catch UpTM: India, Indonesia, Brazil, Zaire, Central America--where it was the Communists beating up ob/gyns)
hasn't happened then, hasn't happened now...

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
12. I believe that Mr. Gohmert is self-aware enough to realize...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:26 PM
Aug 2013

...that HE is one of the ones who will be culled.
He has just enough of an understanding to know in his bones that he is totally unnecessary to the rest of life on this planet, and that if someone's gotta go, Louie is at the top of the list...

longship

(40,416 posts)
101. The entire remaining population of Golgafrincham was wiped out by a virus spread by dirty telephones
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 06:40 PM
Aug 2013

And they all died with unkempt hair!


jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
39. I can think of a couple of ways they could do this
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:33 PM
Aug 2013

The first is there'll be two kinds of vaccine, one for conservatives' kids and the other for liberals' kids. (Apparently there's some way to tell - special tattoos?) The liberals' kids will get the vaccine that just prevents disease. The conservatives' kids will get one that sterilizes you.

The other is that the vaccine for the conservatives' kids isn't a vaccine at all but the source of some deadly disease. Apparently Gohmert got a double dose of that one and now needs to warn the rest of us; fortunately for him, insanity isn't usually fatal.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
69. This reminds me of the Right Wing Extremist Christian Fundamentalist Anders Breivik that murdered
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:34 PM
Aug 2013

about 85 children of government liberals in a summer camp in Norway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
16. Some Basic Points
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:30 PM
Aug 2013

* There are no vaccines to "cull the population" If there were, it would be called a weapon (possibly of mass destruction).

* As a planet, we are not overpopulated, not by a long shot.

* We have a larger global population now than ever before because people are not dying off as fast as they used to. That's the primary driver of increased population over the past 70 years.

* Expect to see the rate of population growth to crest in the next few decades and possibly see a drop in global population after that, as those who were born during the globally high birth rate generations die out.

* Right now, only Africa, parts of South America and parts of South Asia have high birth rates. Once these countries achieve economic stability and growth, they will behave like all other countries and their birth rates will drop. It only makes sense for the first world countries to do as much as they can to help these second and third world countries improve themselves so that they too will have lower birth rates. Would definitely help to have more female political leaders.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
58. Overpopulation is kinda more complicated than that......
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 06:19 PM
Aug 2013

In the most standard of terms, you'd definitely be right, I'd think(though I think we're still cutting it close to overpopulation). Unfortunately, there is far more to it than just climate and arable land.....there is also PLENTY of graft, incompetence, and just plain corruption in much of the 3rd world even today. If none of these things were a problem, there would be far fewer famines and Africa would be much better off. Sadly, though, this isn't the case: they are ALL problems; all of these things are amongst the primary reasons why so many of these nations find half of their populations starving while the wealthy few get to drive around in Maybachs and dine on the finest cuisine without a care in the world.

If we can fix the economic inequality and the corruption/incompetence issues so rife in these places, we'd be able to solve much of that problem right there! Sadly, though, it may take a while.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
67. I completely agree with your
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:48 PM
Aug 2013

assessment that corruption and economic inequality are major factors. But they have nothing to do with population. Such things have occurred when the human population was around 50,000,000, 100,000,000 or 1 billion.

And those problems will not be solved by staunching the rise in the population. (Indeed, I think they will linger on even longer if the population growth stabilizes or drops: it has always been the pressure of the populace that causes change. When that pressure is bled out, then there will be no change.)

riversedge

(70,182 posts)
109. Yes, women has less children as they become more educated and
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:47 AM
Sep 2013

thus there economic status improves.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
20. What scares me is that
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
Aug 2013

People as patently stupid and or insane as gomer are allowed to run loose in public.Never mind hold positions of authority.

maxsolomon

(33,284 posts)
22. Vaccines have LED to the overpopulation of the earth, dumbass.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:34 PM
Aug 2013

in much of the developing world, high birth rates countered high childhood mortality. vaccines have reduced deaths due to childhood diseases, and now you see massive explosion in populations. high percentages of population under 30, idle youth, decimation of natural resources and wildlife populations, etc.

we DO need to cut back on the population of the world, but "liberals" are the least likely to impose the draconian solutions required, i.e. china's 1 child policy.

fucking dumbass gohmert's stupidity is only exceeded by the collective stupidity of his district for electing him.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
23. If elites wanted to cull the population, they'd deny vaccines
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:42 PM
Aug 2013

and keep them for themselves.

Please Gohmert, if you could convince Tea Partiers not to get vaccinated, the liberal elite plan might work!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
24. I'll say that he takes several different types of medications
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:43 PM
Aug 2013

to keep him somewhat healthy and prolong his life huh. At this this point in time he needs mental help and so be it if it will further help him with his mental illness.

The RWers want to re-populate America tho by denying a women's right to women's healthcare.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
25. A Fine State Of Affairs
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:49 PM
Aug 2013

One party is bought out by big money (democrats) the other is as well but is also populated now by numerous insane crackpots like this guy. We've come a long way in 200+ years.

That would be bad enough but now we have a major media that is bought out too and out to lunch. "Meet The Press" has become a joke.

Sadly I'm not sure how bad it will have to get before it gets better - if it even does.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
26. His attitude is no more offensive or crazy than the notion that vaccines cause autism
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:54 PM
Aug 2013

Sure, it sounds asinine because it's Gohmert, but when RFK Jr. makes similarly baseless claims, people come out of the woodwork to praise him for his courage.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
29. It's considerably more crazy
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:01 PM
Aug 2013

Not that I believe that vaccines cause autism, but there is some bad science floating around that could confuse some people.

Gohmert, OTOH, just made his stuff up. Pulled it straight from his tea partying ass, in fact.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
36. It's all of a piece IMO
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:16 PM
Aug 2013

The bad science suggesting that vaccines cause autism was pulled out of Wakefield's ass and is currently being pulled out of McCarthy's ass. I submit that this particular form of anti-vax nonsense is more crazy than Gohmert's, based upon the relative number of people who believe it.

Gohmert might be able to convince a room full of anti-left zealots that an evil liberal conspiracy is underway, but Wakefield et al are given the seal of credibility by a huge swath of the American media.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
95. It is really different.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 05:02 PM
Aug 2013

The notion that vaccines cause autism came up, seemed like a reasonable possibility, was researched and then was debunked.

The notion that liberals are killing off children with vaccines requires a belief in a gigantic evil conspiracy. It can't be examined or tested (mostly because it is just too absurd for anyone to fund an investigation); it can only be believed or not believed.

The former was driven by devastated parents looking for an explanation; the latter is driven by fear and an inability to use critical thinking skills.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
96. I disagree
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 05:55 PM
Aug 2013
The former was driven by devastated parents looking for an explanation; the latter is driven by fear and an inability to use critical thinking skills.
The former was and still is driven by fear and an inability to use (or a suspension of) critical thinking skills.

You assert that Wakefield's claims have been debunked, and indeed they have been--thoroughly, but his claims are still widely accepted, even here at DU where we pride ourselves on our abilities of critical thought.


At most, we're talking about a difference of degree, not of kind.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
97. I differ on whether they differ
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:17 AM
Aug 2013
The former was and still is driven by fear and an inability to use (or a suspension of) critical thinking skills.


You are thinking of those who continue to fear vaccines based on the old concerns of an autism link. I suspect others will avoid vaccines based on this new conspiracy bullshit. This is the result of two very different origins, like fish and mammals both evolving similar features to live in the water.

The original suspicion that vaccines caused autism was reasonable, and carried some logic. The suspicion that the Dems are culling the herd is absurd and defies all logic.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
27. Gohmert, you can't keep a
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:55 PM
Aug 2013

secret, canya? Because that is exactly what vaccines do. The proof is in the population growth since vaccines have pretty much eliminated plagues.

But hey, your followers want to believe you and not get vaccinated, that's fine by me. A texas church is finding out the hard way that there are no vaccines for gullible and stupidity.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
28. Dear God
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:56 PM
Aug 2013

Maybe that's the point of conservatives coming up with anti-vaccine shit, to "cull the herd" and have more for themselves?

One has to wonder.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
30. Did his tinfoil hat come loose?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:04 PM
Aug 2013

Seriously, once upon a time people like Gohmert would have been institutionalized. Now we elect them to Congress!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
31. Ending childhood vaccination would lead to greater infant and child mortality...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:06 PM
Aug 2013

as was the norm before the modern liberal era.

If more infant mortality was higher and children died at a higher number in youth, that would make using contraceptives unnecessary.

If a child dies after birth, it is God's plan. A child aborted or a child never conceived because people use contraception is against God's plan.

Living according to God's plan means no overpopulation. God will cull God's heard with the wrath of Godly disease.

You just have to think like a Gohmert and excise any notion of decency or morality from you mind.

SansACause

(520 posts)
33. misleading article
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:10 PM
Aug 2013

As crazy as Gohmert is, this extra crazy talk is from Alan Keyes, not Gohmert. Gohmert basically says (after Keyes' rant) "That's a scary thought." I agree with Gohmert about that.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
34. Better to cull the population by scaring people away from vaccines?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

Because that's what this scare tactic amounts to.

Although on reflection, I bet he actually believes this shit.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
37. I agree with him on one point. The earth is over-populated. By one.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:18 PM
Aug 2013

But we don't have a vaccine for the Gohmert Virus.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
41. He forgot to mention.....
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:39 PM
Aug 2013

the "elites" in the Pentagon believe that over population is a serious threat to our country's survival; and have been pushing for plans to prepare for it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
43. There ought to be a metric fuckload of media outrage for this...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:47 PM
Aug 2013

We all know what happens when Democratic reps ever dare to mention RW conspiracies (even the RW conspiracies that are clearly real and verified in plain sight)

EC

(12,287 posts)
45. This guy needs to go
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 04:01 PM
Aug 2013

He's caused us real problems in Egypt with his Obama's helping the Brotherhood bull crap. He needs to shut his stupid mouth and go.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
53. Holy Mother of Cthulhu! This guy passed the bar exam???
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 05:53 PM
Aug 2013
I need my smelling salts like Aunt Pittypat.

They eat this paranoid bible thumpin' BS up where I live--I'm in the next county with another blithering idiot representing me --Smokin' Joe Barton --who insulted the Secretary of Energy, a Nobel Prize winner in physics, when said Dr. Chu was explaining continental drift to him.

Joe doesn't represent me. He represents oil companies and he said so.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
66. You got another winner from Tex ASS* too ... Rep. Steve Stockman
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:26 PM
Aug 2013

I got on his email list and the crap he spews is mind blowing.

Gohmert is always going on and on about Sharia law taking over in the U.S. of A.
all the time blowing off the 1st amendment which makes that an impossibility.


* Tex ASS the home of W, Perry, Gohmert, Stockman, Joe Barton .....

Texas the home of Molly Ivans, Ann Richards, Wendy Davis, & Lady Bird Johnson.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
74. Thank you for recognizing that not all Texans are knuckle draggers.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:35 PM
Aug 2013

I'm a yellow dog Democrat so I never voted for ANY of these bozos.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
91. Yup that was my thought exactly. I say he should go sit with some kids
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:45 AM
Aug 2013

with measles and take care of them.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
48. Tired of conservative lies!
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 04:55 PM
Aug 2013

This seems to be the only thing left that R's know how to do well, lie their ass off. Also have to wonder - did this guy ever see Soylent Green? The world is already seriously overpopulated and it's not like the planet's natural resources are replenishing themselves as we use them up. And that vaccine crap sounds very reminiscent of the old 'commies poisoning us with fluoridation' nonsense. Curious how their fear-mongering stays the same from generation to generation.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
50. Here's what's "scary", you fucking piece of shit Gohmert.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 05:26 PM
Aug 2013

That asshole repukes like YOU would rather see people starve than give them food, that asshole fucking pig repukes like YOU enjoy seeing people suffering when they are homeless and hungry, and that asshole fucking rat bastard repigs like YOU will take this country down rather than let the President succeed.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
83. right on....
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:22 PM
Aug 2013

he's misinformed at best, and wicked at worst... either one is not helpful with him having as much influence as he does, and saying this lunacy....

Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)
63. Did he not hear about the measles epidemic currently in Texas,
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 06:55 PM
Aug 2013

traced to an anti-vax, faith-healing church? That church is now offering free vaccinations to its members.

I can't decide whether Gohmert is more stupid or more evil.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
72. And that church is not that far from his district.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:16 PM
Aug 2013

There's some tiny little ones between the first and the twelveth, but otherwise, Gomer has a measles outbreak that he can see from his front porch.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
68. Attention VVHore Alert!
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:16 PM
Aug 2013

I do not believe that he is either crazy or stupid,but Karl Rove wants him to say these things to get Pavlov's Dogs howling at the moon.
The scary part is that there are those among us who actually believe this Shriekelshite because some godly conservative said it on TV.
He could not say it if it were not true,right?
And being in his position due to holy dominion then he can not tell a lie,right?
The GOP is coming apart and they need attention,like in Sunset Strip:
"All right Mr.Demille,I'm ready for my closeup!"
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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
87. Life's a blur to me even without disease- only that is one of my favorite
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:05 PM
Aug 2013

movies & I idolized the finger-snapping, slang-talking Kookie from 77 Sunset Strip and dug the jazzy theme song so i remember this if nothing else!!





winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
80. Don't worry; it will be offset by the population boom
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:33 AM
Aug 2013

caused by lesbian women tricking gay men into impregnating them.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
81. It's astonishing how misinformed these people are.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:04 PM
Aug 2013

That includes Pat Robertson and his prickly hiv warnings

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
82. I remember reading a sci-fi thriller at least 10 years ago in which . . .
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:43 PM
Aug 2013

that was the plot. I can't remember the name of it now.

There was a man-made plague that they planned on using to kill over 2/3rds of the population. They faked having a vaccine for the plague that was in fact another method of infecting people.

I just can't remember the name of the book. . .

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
88. global warming — that’s proven to be something that’s wrong
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:59 PM
Aug 2013

Dumb as a box of rocks. Someone please help this man! The HORROR!! The inhumanity of letting this man suffer while his own brain attacks him!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
103. I heard this one on Shame Insanity Radio show this afternoon. He rambled from one subject to
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:30 PM
Aug 2013

Another and did not make much sense about any of them. Oh this was a judge he should remove himself from all trials and the courts in which he presided should be able to get new trials. My goodness, he is unsafe for himself.

complain jane

(4,302 posts)
108. I thought
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:15 AM
Sep 2013

we were supposed to be using the special magic pointy gay rings for that? I'm confused. I mean, I got the kit and everything, with the vaccines and magic rings, but I guess the instructions could be clearer. Vaccine for the gay? Or kill people? Ring to kill people with or just for the gay? I'm so confused.

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