Gohmert: ‘Scary’ that liberal elites would use vaccines for ‘culling the population’ of humans
Source: Raw Story
Gohmert: Scary that liberal elites would use vaccines for culling the population of humans
By David Edwards
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 13:51 EDT
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) on Monday said that it was a scary thought that elites could be culling the population with vaccines to preserve the Earths resources.
The Texas Republican spent part of his five-week break from Congress this week by interviewing conservative activist Alan Keyes while filling in as a guest host for Tony Perkins on Family Research Councils Washington Watch.
Gohmert pointed out that some liberals believed that the Earth was already over populated.
A lot of people who fancy themselves elites, right, because theyve made a lot of money, theyre names are all over the media and so forth, theyve really signed on to an agenda that requires the depopulation of the globe, Keyes explained. And in the name of fighting global climatological change, called global warming thats proven to be something thats wrong they are saying that weve got to cut back the population of the world.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/27/gohmert-scary-that-liberal-elites-would-use-vaccines-for-culling-the-population-of-humans/
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)that's just a fact...
now the rest of it, bullshit
tho, I have seen Bill Gates speak about population control (while giving vaccines to folks) ... I dunno if id count bill as a full fledge liberal tho
rurallib
(62,406 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)what a f'ing idiot
http://www.census.gov/popclock/
Xithras
(16,191 posts)So, we have a choice:
1) We can end the western lifestyle and all live in poverty.
2) We can reduce the overall population, allowing the remaining people to continue to live the western lifestyle in a sustainable fashion.
3) We can continue to try and live the western lifestyle in a non-sustainable fashion, until the resources deplete and the entire system crashes of its own accord (reducing the population to sustainable levels the old fashioned way).
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)space exploration in search of a new home to colonize isn't in your deck of cards...
its definitely going to be an option with the way funding is going.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)The Earth will have to look really bad before Mars ever looks like a viable option. Same with the Moon. If we're so bad off we'd like to move to Mars, then we're probably too bad off to get there.
And if you're talking about interstellar travel, physics hasn't cut us a break. There's still no way through, under or around the light barrier.
That's not considering other problems, like radiation, like the fact that zero-g is extremely bad for people and eventually fatal.
The failure of space travel as population relief is one of the biggest busts of the 20th century. The other one was nuclear fusion. Without those, our civilization is doomed and the survival of humankind is in doubt.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)In order to check our population growth rates, we would need to launch 80.5 million people per year into space. That launched population, when it reaches its new home, will continue to breed as well. With 80.5 million people breeding, and an additional 80.5 million people a year arriving...and THEM all breeding too...how long will that new homeworld take to fill?
At best, it's buying time. In less than a century, that planet would be full as well. And now you will have TWO planets, with 8 billion people each, needing to export 80+ million people a year just to stay stable. So where will that 160 million people go?
The real problem comes a century or two later, when all of the "nearby" colonizable planets are full. Colonists can't spend centuries travelling to a new planet because of the limits of human lifespans. Relatively quickly, they'll end up with a situation where all of the "nearby" planets are already colonized, but the Earth will STILL need to export about 80 million people a year just to stay stable.
Crash.
When people cite space exploration as a solution to overpopulation, they're basically saying "Let's find a way to stall the problem until I die, so somebody else can worry about it." Given the realities of mathematics and physics, there is no way that we can export tens of millions of people per year on an infinite basis just to stabilize our own population. At best, it's buying time for everyone. At worst, it's just offering the wealthier peoples a way to escape the planet to somewhere "pristine" while the poorer masses slowly perish on a dying planet.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Were you not around in the 1970's?
Soylent Green
Logan's Run
Silent Spring
Silent Running
These are all Sci Fi from the 70's that depend on overpopulation for their premises. I know there are many others. They loved the "nature turns on humans" genre.
hlthe2b
(102,200 posts)winterpark
(168 posts)of City Confidential because my guilty pleasure is true crime stories and in this episode, he was the judge at the trial of the greedy bastard that killed his mother. I watched that episode twice to make sure my 4 eyes weren't lyin. And they weren't. Then I wondered how many people were wrongly convicted in his court because of his insane beliefs....
Skittles
(153,138 posts)they can ALWAYS find ways to sink lower
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and it is quite a bit disturbing.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)apparently Gomer can't tell the difference.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I read it earlier this summer and thought it brought up some very good points with some very bad answers.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Michael Crichton's climate change conspiracy novel as honest-to-god truth...Some Big Oil lobbyist group even gave him a *journalism* award for the effort, if you can believe that...
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It sounded like a possible future scenario.
dorkulon
(5,116 posts)Says Gohmert Pyle.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)to back them up and there is a certain segment of the population that believes them. It's just mind boggling.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Very well said. And they are careful to make those accusations amongst those that believe them already.
Gohmert is a nut case.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Herp derpity derp.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Like most other GOPers in DC.
AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)I'm a little worried about how this thread is being treated. To begind with, here on the east coast the time is 2:10 p.m., and yet the OP post time is displayed as 6:13 p.m.
Where is that? In Europe? Shouldn't it show U.S. time?
This post shows the EXTREME levels that the right wing will go to. I would agree with asshole Repug
Gohmert if he said that it was the one percent that had the goal of extreme population control.
That... I can easily believe. They've got most of the money in the world... so how many slaves do they actually need to take care of them?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)As far as eliminating the competition for resources, that is not new. It's been going on since people learned how to kill each others. Animals do it too.
Gohmert isn't right about anything, and Alex Jones is a Libertarian shill for the John Birch Society which was founded by the Koch family. This is the myth that Gohmert is pushing with this. The Koches are the 1%, not government.
We can argue about the efficacy of vaccines, their manufacture or additives. Jones tells people that the vaccines are given to inject nanobots for mind controlling the population. Anyone who believes all of won't last long at DU per the TOS. Anti-vax beliefs are not in the TOS specifically, but CT is.
Immune response from vaccines or contracting something like measles, mumps and chickenpox is a proven fact. I've had all three and survived. Some don't do so well.
I attended schools with students suffering from polio as a child. The results are not pretty, and we got the vaccine and the rate of polio plummeted to about zero. Those people have lived full lives.
Some diseases like rabies kill people and so did lockjaw. Death by rabies is a sure thing, prolonged and agonizing.That's why vaccines were developed.
We should be concerned about anything we take into our bodies, but not racked by terror which Gohmert and Infowars make their money from selling. They are fascists and will do anything to get rid of government that opposes them.
JMHO. YMMV.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)saw one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes, "To Serve Man". Space aliens show up and offer to teach humans how to make the Earth another Garden of Eden, following the directions of their sacred text, though they never fully translate it. Soon war's disappeared and all hunger abolished. Then the aliens offer free trips to their home planet to teach humans the nuts and bolts of the method, and people line up in droves. Even the story's main human character gets in line. At the last minute his girlfriend rushes up to the gangplank screaming for him to get off. "We've finally cracked the code of To Serve Man! It's a cookbook!"
freshwest
(53,661 posts)A rebel broadcaster says, 'We might be food, we might be pets...'
A collaborator says, 'We'll do anything to be rich... They're free enterprisers...'
There is longer version with the guy pleading with the heroes to go along. He truly reminds me of the Republicans in Congress:
I do wonder about this stuff at times. That and the aliens living in the Moon stuff. That's a favorite CT.
Microchips aren't needed as they have controlled our minds and human development on Earth for thousands of years, LOL!
On a brighter note, the Death Star (the Moon) is breaking down and we will soon be free!
Hey, I don't make this stuff up, you know. And it is on the internet, so it must be true!!!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)since the mid-70s (mostly from people attached to regimes excusing getting rid of their forests in order to Catch UpTM: India, Indonesia, Brazil, Zaire, Central America--where it was the Communists beating up ob/gyns)
hasn't happened then, hasn't happened now...
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...that HE is one of the ones who will be culled.
He has just enough of an understanding to know in his bones that he is totally unnecessary to the rest of life on this planet, and that if someone's gotta go, Louie is at the top of the list...
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)And they all died with unkempt hair!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)at least the captain of Ark B had a nice bath.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)jmowreader
(50,552 posts)The first is there'll be two kinds of vaccine, one for conservatives' kids and the other for liberals' kids. (Apparently there's some way to tell - special tattoos?) The liberals' kids will get the vaccine that just prevents disease. The conservatives' kids will get one that sterilizes you.
The other is that the vaccine for the conservatives' kids isn't a vaccine at all but the source of some deadly disease. Apparently Gohmert got a double dose of that one and now needs to warn the rest of us; fortunately for him, insanity isn't usually fatal.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)about 85 children of government liberals in a summer camp in Norway.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356
Javaman
(62,510 posts)adieu
(1,009 posts)* There are no vaccines to "cull the population" If there were, it would be called a weapon (possibly of mass destruction).
* As a planet, we are not overpopulated, not by a long shot.
* We have a larger global population now than ever before because people are not dying off as fast as they used to. That's the primary driver of increased population over the past 70 years.
* Expect to see the rate of population growth to crest in the next few decades and possibly see a drop in global population after that, as those who were born during the globally high birth rate generations die out.
* Right now, only Africa, parts of South America and parts of South Asia have high birth rates. Once these countries achieve economic stability and growth, they will behave like all other countries and their birth rates will drop. It only makes sense for the first world countries to do as much as they can to help these second and third world countries improve themselves so that they too will have lower birth rates. Would definitely help to have more female political leaders.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)In the most standard of terms, you'd definitely be right, I'd think(though I think we're still cutting it close to overpopulation). Unfortunately, there is far more to it than just climate and arable land.....there is also PLENTY of graft, incompetence, and just plain corruption in much of the 3rd world even today. If none of these things were a problem, there would be far fewer famines and Africa would be much better off. Sadly, though, this isn't the case: they are ALL problems; all of these things are amongst the primary reasons why so many of these nations find half of their populations starving while the wealthy few get to drive around in Maybachs and dine on the finest cuisine without a care in the world.
If we can fix the economic inequality and the corruption/incompetence issues so rife in these places, we'd be able to solve much of that problem right there! Sadly, though, it may take a while.
adieu
(1,009 posts)assessment that corruption and economic inequality are major factors. But they have nothing to do with population. Such things have occurred when the human population was around 50,000,000, 100,000,000 or 1 billion.
And those problems will not be solved by staunching the rise in the population. (Indeed, I think they will linger on even longer if the population growth stabilizes or drops: it has always been the pressure of the populace that causes change. When that pressure is bled out, then there will be no change.)
riversedge
(70,182 posts)thus there economic status improves.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)People as patently stupid and or insane as gomer are allowed to run loose in public.Never mind hold positions of authority.
maxsolomon
(33,284 posts)in much of the developing world, high birth rates countered high childhood mortality. vaccines have reduced deaths due to childhood diseases, and now you see massive explosion in populations. high percentages of population under 30, idle youth, decimation of natural resources and wildlife populations, etc.
we DO need to cut back on the population of the world, but "liberals" are the least likely to impose the draconian solutions required, i.e. china's 1 child policy.
fucking dumbass gohmert's stupidity is only exceeded by the collective stupidity of his district for electing him.
mainer
(12,022 posts)and keep them for themselves.
Please Gohmert, if you could convince Tea Partiers not to get vaccinated, the liberal elite plan might work!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)to keep him somewhat healthy and prolong his life huh. At this this point in time he needs mental help and so be it if it will further help him with his mental illness.
The RWers want to re-populate America tho by denying a women's right to women's healthcare.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)One party is bought out by big money (democrats) the other is as well but is also populated now by numerous insane crackpots like this guy. We've come a long way in 200+ years.
That would be bad enough but now we have a major media that is bought out too and out to lunch. "Meet The Press" has become a joke.
Sadly I'm not sure how bad it will have to get before it gets better - if it even does.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)Sure, it sounds asinine because it's Gohmert, but when RFK Jr. makes similarly baseless claims, people come out of the woodwork to praise him for his courage.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Not that I believe that vaccines cause autism, but there is some bad science floating around that could confuse some people.
Gohmert, OTOH, just made his stuff up. Pulled it straight from his tea partying ass, in fact.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)The bad science suggesting that vaccines cause autism was pulled out of Wakefield's ass and is currently being pulled out of McCarthy's ass. I submit that this particular form of anti-vax nonsense is more crazy than Gohmert's, based upon the relative number of people who believe it.
Gohmert might be able to convince a room full of anti-left zealots that an evil liberal conspiracy is underway, but Wakefield et al are given the seal of credibility by a huge swath of the American media.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)The notion that vaccines cause autism came up, seemed like a reasonable possibility, was researched and then was debunked.
The notion that liberals are killing off children with vaccines requires a belief in a gigantic evil conspiracy. It can't be examined or tested (mostly because it is just too absurd for anyone to fund an investigation); it can only be believed or not believed.
The former was driven by devastated parents looking for an explanation; the latter is driven by fear and an inability to use critical thinking skills.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)You assert that Wakefield's claims have been debunked, and indeed they have been--thoroughly, but his claims are still widely accepted, even here at DU where we pride ourselves on our abilities of critical thought.
At most, we're talking about a difference of degree, not of kind.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)The former was and still is driven by fear and an inability to use (or a suspension of) critical thinking skills.
You are thinking of those who continue to fear vaccines based on the old concerns of an autism link. I suspect others will avoid vaccines based on this new conspiracy bullshit. This is the result of two very different origins, like fish and mammals both evolving similar features to live in the water.
The original suspicion that vaccines caused autism was reasonable, and carried some logic. The suspicion that the Dems are culling the herd is absurd and defies all logic.
mercuryblues
(14,530 posts)secret, canya? Because that is exactly what vaccines do. The proof is in the population growth since vaccines have pretty much eliminated plagues.
But hey, your followers want to believe you and not get vaccinated, that's fine by me. A texas church is finding out the hard way that there are no vaccines for gullible and stupidity.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)Maybe that's the point of conservatives coming up with anti-vaccine shit, to "cull the herd" and have more for themselves?
One has to wonder.
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)Seriously, once upon a time people like Gohmert would have been institutionalized. Now we elect them to Congress!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)as was the norm before the modern liberal era.
If more infant mortality was higher and children died at a higher number in youth, that would make using contraceptives unnecessary.
If a child dies after birth, it is God's plan. A child aborted or a child never conceived because people use contraception is against God's plan.
Living according to God's plan means no overpopulation. God will cull God's heard with the wrath of Godly disease.
You just have to think like a Gohmert and excise any notion of decency or morality from you mind.
Kber
(5,043 posts)my brain hurts, but you're right.
SansACause
(520 posts)As crazy as Gohmert is, this extra crazy talk is from Alan Keyes, not Gohmert. Gohmert basically says (after Keyes' rant) "That's a scary thought." I agree with Gohmert about that.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Kber
(5,043 posts)Because that's what this scare tactic amounts to.
Although on reflection, I bet he actually believes this shit.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)But we don't have a vaccine for the Gohmert Virus.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)the "elites" in the Pentagon believe that over population is a serious threat to our country's survival; and have been pushing for plans to prepare for it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)We all know what happens when Democratic reps ever dare to mention RW conspiracies (even the RW conspiracies that are clearly real and verified in plain sight)
EC
(12,287 posts)He's caused us real problems in Egypt with his Obama's helping the Brotherhood bull crap. He needs to shut his stupid mouth and go.
Botany
(70,483 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)They eat this paranoid bible thumpin' BS up where I live--I'm in the next county with another blithering idiot representing me --Smokin' Joe Barton --who insulted the Secretary of Energy, a Nobel Prize winner in physics, when said Dr. Chu was explaining continental drift to him.
Joe doesn't represent me. He represents oil companies and he said so.
Botany
(70,483 posts)I got on his email list and the crap he spews is mind blowing.
Gohmert is always going on and on about Sharia law taking over in the U.S. of A.
all the time blowing off the 1st amendment which makes that an impossibility.
* Tex ASS the home of W, Perry, Gohmert, Stockman, Joe Barton .....
Texas the home of Molly Ivans, Ann Richards, Wendy Davis, & Lady Bird Johnson.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I'm a yellow dog Democrat so I never voted for ANY of these bozos.
DBoon
(22,354 posts)though he never held elected office
Judi Lynn
(160,515 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)DebJ
(7,699 posts)with measles and take care of them.
smallcat88
(426 posts)This seems to be the only thing left that R's know how to do well, lie their ass off. Also have to wonder - did this guy ever see Soylent Green? The world is already seriously overpopulated and it's not like the planet's natural resources are replenishing themselves as we use them up. And that vaccine crap sounds very reminiscent of the old 'commies poisoning us with fluoridation' nonsense. Curious how their fear-mongering stays the same from generation to generation.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)That asshole repukes like YOU would rather see people starve than give them food, that asshole fucking pig repukes like YOU enjoy seeing people suffering when they are homeless and hungry, and that asshole fucking rat bastard repigs like YOU will take this country down rather than let the President succeed.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)he's misinformed at best, and wicked at worst... either one is not helpful with him having as much influence as he does, and saying this lunacy....
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)don't worry pa, he'll grow up to be a fine politician...!
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Ztolkins
(429 posts)They need to find Jessica Hyde a.s.a.p.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)traced to an anti-vax, faith-healing church? That church is now offering free vaccinations to its members.
I can't decide whether Gohmert is more stupid or more evil.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)There's some tiny little ones between the first and the twelveth, but otherwise, Gomer has a measles outbreak that he can see from his front porch.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)I do not believe that he is either crazy or stupid,but Karl Rove wants him to say these things to get Pavlov's Dogs howling at the moon.
The scary part is that there are those among us who actually believe this Shriekelshite because some godly conservative said it on TV.
He could not say it if it were not true,right?
And being in his position due to holy dominion then he can not tell a lie,right?
The GOP is coming apart and they need attention,like in Sunset Strip:
"All right Mr.Demille,I'm ready for my closeup!"
[link:
lunasun
(21,646 posts)SS was a 60's TV show .........
the line is from the movie Sunset Boulevard
Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)Alzheimer's has become my significant other.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)movies & I idolized the finger-snapping, slang-talking Kookie from 77 Sunset Strip and dug the jazzy theme song so i remember this if nothing else!!
Monk06
(7,675 posts)rucky
(35,211 posts)Louis Gohmert, please report to the Nurse's Office
Tippy
(4,610 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)caused by lesbian women tricking gay men into impregnating them.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)That includes Pat Robertson and his prickly hiv warnings
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)that was the plot. I can't remember the name of it now.
There was a man-made plague that they planned on using to kill over 2/3rds of the population. They faked having a vaccine for the plague that was in fact another method of infecting people.
I just can't remember the name of the book. . .
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)Ian_rd
(2,124 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)Dumb as a box of rocks. Someone please help this man! The HORROR!! The inhumanity of letting this man suffer while his own brain attacks him!
Turbineguy
(37,313 posts)Look at the millions who have died from polio vaccinations!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Another and did not make much sense about any of them. Oh this was a judge he should remove himself from all trials and the courts in which he presided should be able to get new trials. My goodness, he is unsafe for himself.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)complain jane
(4,302 posts)we were supposed to be using the special magic pointy gay rings for that? I'm confused. I mean, I got the kit and everything, with the vaccines and magic rings, but I guess the instructions could be clearer. Vaccine for the gay? Or kill people? Ring to kill people with or just for the gay? I'm so confused.