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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 06:26 AM Aug 2013

Israel confirms plan to deport African migrants to Uganda

Source: Guardian

Israel plans to soon begin deporting migrants from Eritrea and Sudan, who number more than 50,000, back to Africa via Uganda, officials said.

Israel regards most of the Africans as illegal visitors in search of jobs, and largely rejects the position of human rights groups that many fled their countries in search of political asylum.

A statement late on Thursday from interior minister Gideon Sa'ar said Israel would soon begin a staged process of deporting the migrants, most of whom have crossed the border with Egypt since 2006.

Sa'ar said an agreement had been reached with Uganda to absorb the "infiltrators", who would soon be urged "to leave of their own free will".

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/30/israel-plan-deport-african-migrants-uganda

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Israel confirms plan to deport African migrants to Uganda (Original Post) dipsydoodle Aug 2013 OP
At least they aren't racist about it . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #1
We treat illegal immigrants in exactly the same way. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #2
If you are Jewish . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #3
Israel was formed from what was left of the Jewish people after WWII. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #5
Granted, Israel is a soverign State. another_liberal Aug 2013 #8
That makes them a vassal, not a sovereign state, no? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #9
Sometimes I wonder . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #10
Their immigration policy is probably based more on religion than on race. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #11
A refuge, yes, of course. another_liberal Aug 2013 #12
Israel is a homeland for Ethiopian Jews. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #13
Do I have to describe for you how those Ethiopian Jews are treated in Israel? another_liberal Aug 2013 #14
I have read the reports about the birth control shots. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #15
There is no excuse for racism, no apology which is not sickening. another_liberal Aug 2013 #16
Wow, DU sure is a great place for White Democrats /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #17
+1000 Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #6
Huh? I thought thousands of Ethiopian Jews moved to Israel. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #18
Where they are treated how. . .? another_liberal Aug 2013 #19
There's a nifty twist to this story Alamuti Lotus Aug 2013 #4
Great! another_liberal Aug 2013 #7
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
1. At least they aren't racist about it . . .
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 06:55 AM
Aug 2013

All Africans, no matter what shade of black their skin, will have to go.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
2. We treat illegal immigrants in exactly the same way.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:53 AM
Aug 2013

You have to apply to immigrate into most countries.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
3. If you are Jewish . . .
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:30 AM
Aug 2013

Israel has open arms. Unless you happen to be an Ethiopian Jew, then not so much.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. Israel was formed from what was left of the Jewish people after WWII.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:36 AM
Aug 2013

It was originally referred to in at least one UN resolution as a "Jewish state." That is what it is. the Vatican is a Catholic state. So is Poland, pretty much (although maybe not legally).

The Vatican is a very small country. That it does not accept many, many immigrants and favors Catholic residents does not mean that the Pope is cruel.

The reality is that statelessness is a more common problem in the world than Americans realize. In fact, many countries including the US deport immigrants who do not have visas every year. It is an international crisis that is not discussed much.

Here are some examples:

One of the largest stateless groups is the Rohingyas, a Muslim people of South Asian descent refused citizenship by the Myanmar government. Hundreds of thousands are scattered throughout Bangladesh and Southeast Asia.

. . . .

n many cases groups failed to be included when their countries became independent or drew up a new constitution. Many Kuwaiti bedouns fell through the cracks when the country became independent in 1961, and the Roma in Europe have faced major problems in obtaining citizenship in the new countries that emerged after the break-up of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia.

Manly said the UNHCR is closely watching the succession of South Sudan. It is also scrutinising the drafting of Nepal's new constitution amid fears millions could end up stateless.

A major factor behind statelessness is often racial or ethnic discrimination. Syria, for example, denationalised many Kurds in 1962 and Mauritania expelled around 75,000 Black Mauritanians in 1989.

more

http://www.trust.org/item/?map=feature-invisible-millions-pay-price-of-statelessness/

Saudi Arabia forcibly returned 77 Iraqi refugees who had lived in the country since the end of the Gulf War in 1991. The refugees had been living in Rafha camp or the nearby town, and had received assistance from the Government up until their deportation.

Saudi Arabia deported more than 23,600 Indonesian migrant workers, most of them women. The majority had entered Saudi Arabia illegally, but others overstayed on Umrah pilgrimage visas. Most lacked passports and other forms of identification.

Saudi Arabia began the year holding 28 Eritrean refugees in detention, the last of a group of 214 former members of the Eritrean military that it held at a Coast Guard facility since 2005. During the year, Sweden accepted all 28 of them for resettlement. Saudi Arabia allowed UNHCR full access to them over the course of their confinement.

It also detained two Chechen asylum seekers on suspicion of terrorist activity, but allowed UNHCR to visit them and perform refugee status determinations.

http://www.refugees.org/resources/refugee-warehousing/archived-world-refugee-surveys/2009-wrs-country-updates/saudi-arabia.html

Being a sovereign country means being able to decide to exclude or deport an immigrant or guest as you wish.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
8. Granted, Israel is a soverign State.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:12 PM
Aug 2013

They do, however, receive more of our foreign aid than any other nation. That gives us the right to demand a certain minimum level of acceptable behavior from them. I think an absence of racially-based immigration policy should be included.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Their immigration policy is probably based more on religion than on race.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:34 PM
Aug 2013

The purpose of their country is to provide a safe haven for Jewish people who are persecuted around the world. So discrimination based on religion is part of the purpose of their nationhood in a way.

I would not want discrimination of any kind here. But then, we were founded on the principle tat all men are created equal.

Israel was founded on the knowledge that they (the founders of it) and their ancestors had, since the time of the Roman occupation of the Israel, being dispersed around the world and pursued, killed, harassed, deprived of the right to property, of the right to marry whom they loved, of the right to work and earn a living of the right to go to school and even of their lives.

So Israel is an unusual case. The treatment of the Jews historically in Europe and other parts of the world to some extent was as evil as the treatment of the slaves in the American South before the civil rights movement.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
12. A refuge, yes, of course.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:47 PM
Aug 2013

Can it, though, be one only for White, European Jews, and not for Black Ethiopian Jews? Can we really support without complaint that kind of a policy on Israel's part?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. Israel is a homeland for Ethiopian Jews.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013

Today Israel is home to the largest Beta Israel community in the world with about 121,000 citizens of Ethiopian descent in 2009,[1] who are mainly assembled in the smaller urban areas of central Israel.[7]
. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews_in_Israel

There is discrimination against Ethiopian immigrants within Israel, but then there is discrimination against immigrants all over the world.

In Arizona, there is discrimination against Spanish-speaking immigrants. That is universal with regard to immigrants unless you go maybe to a couple of Scandinavian countries -- and even there, you will find lots of individuals who discriminate based on race.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. I have read the reports about the birth control shots.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:22 PM
Aug 2013

Do you seriously think that was a government policy in Israel?

If you read all the reports you will realize it wasn't.

As for racist treatment, that is probably true, but at least they have a safe haven. With time, hopefully, they will be better integrated into the society.

Having lived abroad for some years, I understand that any foreigner faces discrimination in a country that is very homogeneous. I faced it myself. And language is also a problem that gives rise to discrimination, an issue that is used to justify discrimination.

This is not the best of all possible worlds. That should not surprise any of us.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
16. There is no excuse for racism, no apology which is not sickening.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:28 PM
Aug 2013

If that is how the Israeli government wants to treat its African refugees, we should turn our back on the Israeli government.

 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
4. There's a nifty twist to this story
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:36 AM
Aug 2013

The refugees are being deported to places with incentives: it was reported a couple months ago any African country that accepts these thoroughly unwanted peoples is offered arms deals and other preferential military incentives.

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