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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:46 AM Sep 2013

First Syria rebels armed and trained by CIA 'on way to battlefield'

Source: The Telegraph

During a meeting at the White House, the president assured Senator John McCain that after months of delay the US was meeting its commitment to back moderate elements of the opposition.

Mr Obama said that a 50-man cell, believed to have been trained by US special forces in Jordan, was making its way across the border into Syria, according to the New York Times.

The deployment of the rebel unit seems to be the first tangible measure of support since Mr Obama announced in June that the US would begin providing the opposition with small arms.

Congressional opposition delayed the plan for several weeks and rebel commanders publicly complained the US was still doing nothing to match the Russian-made firepower of the Assad regime.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10283758/First-Syria-rebels-armed-and-trained-by-CIA-on-way-to-battlefield.html

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First Syria rebels armed and trained by CIA 'on way to battlefield' (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2013 OP
The US is a supporter of terrorism? Arctic Dave Sep 2013 #1
What can possibly go wrong? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #2
A shift from covert to overt ? /nt jakeXT Sep 2013 #3
"a 50-man cell" What? QSkier Sep 2013 #4
That is such a good idea! Will these guys received the same CIA training diploma as Osama Dragonfli Sep 2013 #5
At least then we had the cover of ignorance. We can't make that excuse today. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #25
Every member of Congress and the alsame Sep 2013 #6
This sounds familiar atreides1 Sep 2013 #7
Next stop ... GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #9
MISSION CREEP. Like Vietnam. NCarolinawoman Sep 2013 #8
Werent the US personnel that accompanies the Vietnamese called "advisers" and were. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #10
For the first few years. daleo Sep 2013 #18
The US and it's allies have been training and fielding jihadists for over two years. Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #11
Absolutely. Even many people here seem not to understand that arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #15
Syrian Rebels malletgirl02 Sep 2013 #19
How long before these CIA trained "rebels" cosmicone Sep 2013 #12
I give it 10 ... we'll tire of them sooner than later ... Myrina Sep 2013 #24
Let's be clear: We are already intervening in Syria. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #13
It worked before... KansDem Sep 2013 #14
"meeting its commitment to back moderate elements of the opposition" ?? ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #16
Don't worry. I'm sure they won't turn against us when we inevitably abandon them tclambert Sep 2013 #17
IIRC that was one of the elements behind Benghazi!: "hey, where's our dough?!" MisterP Sep 2013 #26
So CIA mercenaries are called 'moderate elements of the opposition'. I guess 'Contras' won't work Monk06 Sep 2013 #20
This is terrorism if true. It is also a violation of US and international law, a war crime. Coyotl Sep 2013 #21
But think of the children! Celefin Sep 2013 #27
This is so amazing! I wasn't alive to watch the original "Bay of Pigs", now I can see the remake! Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #22
"First"? Yeah, that sounds likely ... Nihil Sep 2013 #23
war crime.... mike_c Sep 2013 #28
What I really think we need to know was what exactly was the response arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #29
 

QSkier

(30 posts)
4. "a 50-man cell" What?
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:59 AM
Sep 2013

Well, that's impressive!!

One puff of sarin gas and they will be dead by sunset.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
5. That is such a good idea! Will these guys received the same CIA training diploma as Osama
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:08 PM
Sep 2013

when we bravely trained him and his freedom fighters to help spread peace and save the children in Afghanistan?


It was a good idea then and a good idea now, no matter what the peace purists think, they just don't appear to understand that blood released by AQ and other freedom fighters is the only thing that can save children. (well, freedom fighters and tomahawks, as everyone knows our missiles have safeties on them that keep them from exploding near children,)

alsame

(7,784 posts)
6. Every member of Congress and the
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:09 PM
Sep 2013

administration should go back and research the origins of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
7. This sounds familiar
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:18 PM
Sep 2013

Another proxy war between the US and Russia...from the jungles of South and Central America, to Southeast Asia, and now coming to you from the Middle East(again)!

"Congressional opposition delayed the plan for several weeks and rebel commanders publicly complained the US was still doing nothing to match the Russian-made firepower of the Assad regime."


Maybe it's time the US and Russia just have it out once and for all...hell we've been fighting each through proxies for decades. Just do it and get it over with...one rule no nukes or chemical weapons stronger then CS!


NCarolinawoman

(2,825 posts)
8. MISSION CREEP. Like Vietnam.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:24 PM
Sep 2013

This was the term that described how we got so entrenched. MISSION CREEP!

Our CIA started training the Vietnamese. Then we sent in our newly formed special forces. (Green Berets) Then the troops and then more troops. Lots of bombing, cause bombing is the easiest. (missiles are even easier)

This time we don't need a draft, because our overused tired out troops are already in place.

This is worse because it's the cauldron of the Middle East. Like witches brew. Stupid idiocy. No wonder the military brass doesn't want this. People supporting this don't know history!

Oh, and bring MONEY; money we have been told "we do not have"!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. Werent the US personnel that accompanies the Vietnamese called "advisers" and were.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:16 PM
Sep 2013

only armed for self defense?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
11. The US and it's allies have been training and fielding jihadists for over two years.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:27 PM
Sep 2013

This article pretends the United States has nothing to do with the jihadist that are already there.

Training bases in Jordan.
Pipeline of fighters and arms from libya.
Jihadist receiving hospital care in Israel.
Arms and foreign jihadist fighters flowing through turkey.
Funding from qatar and saudi arabia.
Death row prisoners sent from arab allied countries.


The latest revelation is an attempt at plausible deniability for the mess we have participated in since the beginning.
 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
15. Absolutely. Even many people here seem not to understand that
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 04:25 PM
Sep 2013

Obama has been waging an illegal, covert war against Syria for some time.

Does anyone really believe that American allies like Qatar and Saudi Arabia could funnel arms to the rebels without the implicit blessing of Obama?

The absolute silence from the Administration with regard to atrocities committed by the rebels speaks volumes.

The rebels, whether Syrian or foreign have essentially been American allies since they're attacking the regime.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
19. Syrian Rebels
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:10 PM
Sep 2013

Since the U.S. is support rebels it is responsible for any atrocities they might due. The reason the administration is silent on this is they don't want to be liable for possible war crime accusations

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
24. I give it 10 ... we'll tire of them sooner than later ...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013

... once the checks start bouncing and whoever lives in the White House calls them "evil doers" and "insurgents", they'll send us a reminder, sadly.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. Let's be clear: We are already intervening in Syria.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:42 PM
Sep 2013

If someone did that to us, we would call it an act of war, which it is. But the Syrians probably aren't dumb enough to call us on it.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
16. "meeting its commitment to back moderate elements of the opposition" ??
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:02 PM
Sep 2013

.
.
.

Oh - so this was planned long ago by the Obama Administration.

this commitment to back moderate elements of the opposition ain't new -

this was/is a long term plan -

head hurts



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tclambert

(11,085 posts)
17. Don't worry. I'm sure they won't turn against us when we inevitably abandon them
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:48 PM
Sep 2013

to pay attention to more pressing matters.

Besides, we've done this kind of thing before and it never caused ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
26. IIRC that was one of the elements behind Benghazi!: "hey, where's our dough?!"
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sep 2013

then they attacked the HQ of the death squad targeting them: the CIA went from supporting them to hunting them in 1 year (it took like 7 for the turnaround on AQ)
the CIA's already reported as "planning" for strikes on some of the rebels at the same time as they're supporting them, bringing the lead time to 0! double profits!

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
20. So CIA mercenaries are called 'moderate elements of the opposition'. I guess 'Contras' won't work
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:25 AM
Sep 2013

this time?

Celefin

(532 posts)
27. But think of the children!
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:09 PM
Sep 2013

That seems to justify everything.

The CIA probably gave them an additional diploma in childcare and strict instructions to never, ever harm civilian Assad supporters.

 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
22. This is so amazing! I wasn't alive to watch the original "Bay of Pigs", now I can see the remake!
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:27 AM
Sep 2013

"Bay of Camels"--too derivative?

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
23. "First"? Yeah, that sounds likely ...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:35 AM
Sep 2013

> During a meeting at the White House, the president assured Senator John McCain that after
> months of delay the US was meeting its commitment to back moderate elements of the opposition.

So, to back "moderate elements of the opposition", the US administration uses
those reliable & trustworthy folks in the CIA to train & arm people then send them
to the battlefield?

Obama is really taking the piss out his Nobel Peace Prize these days isn't he?

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
28. war crime....
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:26 PM
Sep 2013

Wobama-- Obama channeling W. And at the same time telling us that we won't get involved in Syria's civil war from the other side of his mouth. This is the warm up for Iran.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
29. What I really think we need to know was what exactly was the response
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:23 PM
Sep 2013

of the Syrian commander to the worried Defense Ministry official?

Why aren't they telling us that? Could it be that the commander replied, "What the fuck are you talking about?".

If the Defense Ministry wasn't in the loop, that implies that Assad didn't order any CW use.

But if we're to even believe the Army is responsible, let's hear the goddamned reply of the commander.

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