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OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:47 PM Sep 2013

Obama underscores need to finish Asia-Pacific trade deal this year

Source: The Hill


By Vicki Needham - 09/03/13 09:53 AM ET

President Obama reiterated on Tuesday his desire to complete an Asia-Pacific trade deal this year, arguing that it will not only boost economic growth but shore up global security.

During a conversation with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, the president once again underscored his stance that the 12 nations involved in negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) should conclude talks this fall, the White House said.

Both leaders agreed to closely consult with one another on how to forge ahead.

The nation's trade leaders have said they made progress during the 19th round of the trade talks, which wrapped up recently in Brunei. Those talks were the first full round for Japan.

Leaders of the nations beside the U.S. and Japan — Australia, Brunei, Chile, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam — have agreed to the aim of finishing by the end of the year.



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/1005-trade/319949-obama-underscores-need-to-finish-asia-pacific-trade-deal-this-year



Learn more about the TPP, and sign a petition demanding that people be put before corporate rights here:

http://act.aflcio.org/c/18/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=7025

More on TPP: http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Free-Trade-Agreement-TPP

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Obama underscores need to finish Asia-Pacific trade deal this year (Original Post) OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 OP
TPP needs to be dropped. Koko Ware Sep 2013 #1
CA Dem Party OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #37
This is a nightmare. K&R myrna minx Sep 2013 #2
RIP, US government sovereignty. Corporate takeover is complete courtesy of Obama. forestpath Sep 2013 #3
I don't understand Dems who think OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #38
If there is a defense of this. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #4
Agreed--Nafta did not help our economy or create jobs emsimon33 Sep 2013 #9
I second that motion. OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #39
I don't even think I'm asking for much. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #41
they sometimes chime in with the OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #43
This is a bipartisan screwing for the American public. If he doesnt get it done, I am sure rhett o rick Sep 2013 #5
Maybe they can market it as part of the 'war effort' n2doc Sep 2013 #6
I'e already heard that argument. OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #40
Why? so we can lose more jobs, and have our laws subject to corporate courts. No thanks, pal. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #7
I don't think he's our pal. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #51
TPP needs to be reviewed and agreed upon my the electorate emsimon33 Sep 2013 #8
I always love the positive sides OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #42
god damit i am so sick of voting for democats and getting republicans leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #10
+1,000 OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #44
Yet another Big "Fuck You" to the Working Class FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #11
Berlum underscores the need to shitcan the occultly developed, anti-democratic TPP Berlum Sep 2013 #12
"Boost Economic Growth" - but for whom? TBF Sep 2013 #13
Obama is still in a stupor over voodoo economics. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #14
A trifecta of nonsense is blowing in the wind. GeorgeGist Sep 2013 #15
+1 Enthusiast Sep 2013 #20
A trifecta of tyranny by the oligarchy via the Oval Office Divernan Sep 2013 #21
The Trans Pacific Partnership will "boost economic growth" all right, just NOT FOR US. Ocelot Sep 2013 #16
That was my take Ocelot. They love to say what the "benefit" would be, AllyCat Sep 2013 #35
This Japanese web site says the same thing Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #54
B.S. LoisB Sep 2013 #17
NO! To quote a wise man: tblue Sep 2013 #18
We don't want a TPP, Mr. President. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #19
Americans are against intervention in Syria, too. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #31
We also opposed the Iraq War OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #45
Too bad we live in a thinly veiled plutocracy. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #47
Anytime republicans and democrats agree on something, you KNOW it's going to be bad Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #22
Folks he's on a roll! Phlem Sep 2013 #23
...before anyone realizes how bad it really is! FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #24
"We must, and I can't emphasize this enough, make rich people richer. It doesn't matter valerief Sep 2013 #25
Well put, Valerief! OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #46
Nothing in particular. nt valerief Sep 2013 #57
OK Mr. President, why not publish the full text and let the PEOPLE have an up or down vote on it? Vincardog Sep 2013 #26
Where is the President's promised transparency? avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #28
I think he's pretty transparent FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #36
He's pretty transparent, all right Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #56
He's being transparent about his conclusion OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #48
Because it's a secret and in Obama's mind he's the only adult in the room Ocelot Sep 2013 #29
Which peas? Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #55
more hope and change...oy. KG Sep 2013 #27
So we're reduced to rooting for the teabaggers beerandjesus Sep 2013 #30
They need to speed up the process because public awareness is growing. pa28 Sep 2013 #32
Tru dat. OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #49
This guy has really turned out to be a four-star disaster on the stuff that counts. nt Poll_Blind Sep 2013 #33
I cannot believe how disappointed I am in Presdient Obama AllyCat Sep 2013 #34
Statement on the 18th Round of Trans-Pacific Partnership Negotiations in Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia Zorro Sep 2013 #50
Shock doctrine. Sneak this in while embroiled in Syria. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #52
Gotta speed up the Race to the Bottom to help our job creators jsr Sep 2013 #53
Sadly, that seems to be our economic model now. eom OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #58
 

Koko Ware

(107 posts)
1. TPP needs to be dropped.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:51 PM
Sep 2013

No question about it - it is a VERY bad deal for the people of the United States.

NAFTA is a massive failure, why compound on this four times that much?

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
38. I don't understand Dems who think
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:09 PM
Sep 2013

it's the "smart" decision to support NAFTA-style trade agreements. It's what could kill progressivism and democracy once and for all.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
41. I don't even think I'm asking for much.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:13 PM
Sep 2013

But the "Obama at any cost" crown has been completely silent in this thread.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
5. This is a bipartisan screwing for the American public. If he doesnt get it done, I am sure
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:08 PM
Sep 2013

his successor will.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
40. I'e already heard that argument.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:12 PM
Sep 2013

"strategic partnership" "part of the Asia pivot" other similar crap. Supposed to protect us from China. How? By producing more of our military goods overseas? Huh?

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
8. TPP needs to be reviewed and agreed upon my the electorate
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:11 PM
Sep 2013

There needs to be an open, national discussion without lies and without hype regarding TPP. TPP should not take the rights of citizens to pass laws that protect them and their country and give these rights to corporations and the wealthy.

That the Obama administration has been so secretive in the negotiations on TPP has been one of my major problems with the Obama administration. NAFTA not only took jobs away from Americans but has been a factor in lowering wages and reducing the middle class. If the little information that we have been able to get on TPP is correct, then TPP will be the death of not only the middle class but of our republic.

On the positive side, if TPP is as bad as it seems and it passes, it will hasten an international revolution that may be bloody but will end the cabal that appears to be trying to enslave the world and the end of vulture capitalism.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
42. I always love the positive sides
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:14 PM
Sep 2013

that amount to "hey, maybe this is what finally foments the revolution." Sometimes, that's the only bright side there is.

TBF

(32,053 posts)
13. "Boost Economic Growth" - but for whom?
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:19 PM
Sep 2013

The investor class of course - because this sure ain't gonna make jobs in this country.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
21. A trifecta of tyranny by the oligarchy via the Oval Office
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 02:15 PM
Sep 2013

Thomas Jefferson - "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty."

 

Ocelot

(227 posts)
16. The Trans Pacific Partnership will "boost economic growth" all right, just NOT FOR US.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 01:46 PM
Sep 2013

The sweatshop nations of the world will make out like bandits, while here in America we'll hear that giant sucking sound once again. Syria, Trans Pacific Partnership... seems that Obama has doubled down on his mission to destroy the middle class in this country before he leaves office and hands the keys over to his REPUBLICAN successor (hey, if he wanted a Democratic successor he'd be using his office to promote DEMOCRATIC ideals, now wouldn't he?)

AllyCat

(16,180 posts)
35. That was my take Ocelot. They love to say what the "benefit" would be,
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:43 PM
Sep 2013

but they never say who the beneficiary will be. It's rarely, if ever, us.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
54. This Japanese web site says the same thing
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:37 AM
Sep 2013
http://www.ruralnet.or.jp/tpp/

The banner at the top of the page says "Don't be fooled by the TPP promoters!"

The puppets in the beginning of the video get all excited because they think TPP is going to lead to economic growth, and they're ready to get on the "Kaikoku-yuki" bus headed for a truly "open" country. But hold on! The government isn't being completely forthright about all this.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
19. We don't want a TPP, Mr. President.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 02:08 PM
Sep 2013

Are you suggesting you would go against the wishes of the American people? Don't you believe in democracy?

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
45. We also opposed the Iraq War
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:19 PM
Sep 2013

the No-Strings Attached Wall Street Bailout, need I go on? When do we get what we want? That is what democracy is supposed to be, right?

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
22. Anytime republicans and democrats agree on something, you KNOW it's going to be bad
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 02:18 PM
Sep 2013

Or more accurately, you know it's really bad when this is the one issue that republicans won't fight president Obama on.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
25. "We must, and I can't emphasize this enough, make rich people richer. It doesn't matter
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 03:05 PM
Sep 2013

if we're making everyone else poorer. The important thing is to improve our economy, which, of course, means making rich people richer."

This is what I hear.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
48. He's being transparent about his conclusion
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:30 PM
Sep 2013

that "it's none of our damn business." I listened to a speech by former USTR Robert B. Zoellick and he basically said he was "surprised" at the level of secrecy of the current USTR and recommended against it. It would have been funny of it wasn't tragic.


http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Update%20July%2026.pdf

The Trans-Pacific Partnership: New Rules for a New Era
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 The Canada Institute, with the Mexico Institute, Latin American Program, Asia Program, Kissinger Institute, and the Program on America and the Global Economy, presented the Wilson Center’s latest analysis of the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Robert Zoellick, former president of the World Bank and former U.S. Trade Representative, gave a global perspective on what the TPP could mean for future trade negotiations. Ari Van Assche of HEC Montréal spoke on the important aspects of future trade models and how the TPP fits into other regional trade agreements. To view the event video, please click here.

 

Ocelot

(227 posts)
29. Because it's a secret and in Obama's mind he's the only adult in the room
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 03:29 PM
Sep 2013

And by extension we're all naive children who can't comprehend his scheming. Now eat your peas, like he told you to.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
30. So we're reduced to rooting for the teabaggers
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 03:29 PM
Sep 2013

First on Syria, now on this. I just hope they remember all that paranoid shit about surrendering US sovereignty to the UN when their representatives come home and talk about TPP.

Because we can't count on the Democrats to not do the wrong thing.


SO depressing.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
32. They need to speed up the process because public awareness is growing.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 04:45 PM
Sep 2013

Public awareness is the enemy of the TPP.

AllyCat

(16,180 posts)
34. I cannot believe how disappointed I am in Presdient Obama
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:42 PM
Sep 2013

I did not vote for war and I didn't vote for this. The PTB will not allow a leader of the people ever again, will they.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
50. Statement on the 18th Round of Trans-Pacific Partnership Negotiations in Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 11:34 PM
Sep 2013

"Officials reported today that they achieved further strong progress at the 18th round of Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations, which ended today, keeping their eyes fixed on the goal set by President Obama and the other TPP Leaders of concluding a high-standard, comprehensive agreement this year, while welcoming Japan’s entry into the negotiations. Through the TPP, the United States is seeking to advance a 21st-century trade and investment framework that will boost competitiveness, expand trade and investment with the robust economies of the Asia Pacific, and support the creation and retention of U.S. jobs, while promoting core U.S. principles on labor rights, environmental protection, and transparency.

Following the guidance of the trade ministers from the United States and the other TPP countries prior to this round – Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam – the negotiating groups covering market access, rules of origin, technical barriers to trade, investment, financial services, e-commerce, and transparency reached agreement on a wide range of technical issues in the legal texts of these chapters, which set the rules that govern the conduct of their trade and investment relations. They also found common ground on issues that allowed them to make progress in the negotiating groups covering intellectual property, competition, and environment. In addition, each group developed a detailed plan for closing remaining issues and completing their work.

The negotiators also moved ahead in their efforts to construct the ambitious packages that will provide access to their respective markets for industrial, agricultural and textile and apparel products, services and investment, and government procurement. They agreed on next steps and an overall plan for achieving these market access outcomes in the timeframe agreed by Leaders.

Throughout the talks, negotiators reflected the wide range of views provided to them by their stakeholders on the best pathway to promote trade and investment, regional integration, and jobs in the United States and the other TPP countries. The TPP negotiations were temporarily adjourned on July 20 so the delegates could listen to and share information with more than 200 stakeholders from the United States and across the TPP region. Stakeholders also met informally with U.S. and other negotiators to provide further detailed information. U.S. chief negotiator Barbara Weisel and her fellow TPP chief negotiators also briefed stakeholders on the status of the negotiations and responded to their questions on specific issues and the process going forward.

On July 23, the United States and the other TPP countries welcomed Japan as the 12th member of the negotiations, following the successful completion of the respective domestic procedures of the United States and the other existing TPP members. Japan received detailed updates on the status of the negotiations and participated actively in the work of the negotiating groups that were meeting on those dates, expressing its commitment to integrate quickly and smoothly into the process. With Japan’s entry, TPP countries now account for nearly 40 percent of global GDP and about one-third of all world trade.

Ministers from the TPP countries have been in close touch on TPP over the past month. Over the past week, USTR Froman met in Washington with Vietnamese Trade Minister Hoang, Bruneian Trade Minister Pehin Lim, and Japanese Minister for the Economy, Trade and Industry Motegi, and spoke by phone with Director General Jana of Chile’s trade ministry (DIRECON) and Mexican Economy Minister Guajardo. Additionally, Ambassador Froman met with Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang during President Sang’s visit to Washington, D.C. this week.

Ambassador Froman and the other TPP ministers plan to engage regularly in the coming weeks ahead of the next round to find solutions to the sensitive issues that remain, guide the work of negotiators, and keep the negotiations moving expeditiously toward a high-standard outcome the TPP Leaders agreed to seek."

I don't get why so many reflexively condemn these talks; the US already has preferential trade agreements a lot of the countries participating in the negotiations. Reducing trade barriers will allow US products to penetrate new markets -- and the US does have a powerful industrial base, despite all the specious prattle about its imminent demise.

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