MoveOn Plans To Launch ‘Major Effort’ Against Use Of Force In Syria

[Capt. Obvious]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Liberal advocacy group MoveOn announced Wednesday that 73 percent of its members voted they were opposed to military intervention in Syria.

The group said in an email to supporters that following its members' vote it would launch a "major effort" calling on lawmakers to vote against a proposed resolution authorizing the use of military force in Syria.

"We have seen the rushed march to war before. We cannot allow it again," MoveOn's executive director of civic action, Anna Galland, wrote in the email. "Congress, and the nation, should not be forced into a binary debate over strikes or nothing. In response to the tragic reports of chemical weapons use in Syria, the US needs to lead in the way in engaging with the international community, while rigorously exploring alternatives to military action, including negotiations, economic sanctions, diplomacy, and promotion of humanitarian aid."

Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/moveon-plans-to-launch-major-effort-against-use

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Good.

[polichick]

1. Maybe moveon has figured out that the Dem Party...

is not necessarily their friend - though it'll be happy to use them every few years.

[tridim]

2. Why do you refer to the Democratic Party as "them"?

[polichick]

4. I quit the party two years ago after decades of volunteering for the party...

Still vote Dem since they're the lesser of evils - but that's all they are these days imo.

As I've posted a bunch of times, we have one corporate/mic party with two faces - the better to keep the people divided, and thus powerless. At some point we all have to wake up.

[tridim]

5. Well I don't belong to the strawman Dem party you describe

I belong to the party that does progressive things like this...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/15/a-long-list-of-president-obamas-accomplishments-with-citations/

I am proud to be a progressive Democrat.

[polichick]

6. Have fun - my guess is you haven't worked for the party for even one decade.

[tridim]

8. I've worked for my party since 1988.

Your guess is wrong, as is typical of most non-Democrats on Neo-DU.

[polichick]

9. And your attitude is wrong, typical of Dem apologists.

[tridim]

13. I'm a proud Democrat, not a Dem apologist.

[polichick]

14. Bully for you - I'm a proud LIBERAL.

[tridim]

18. But not proud of the party of Liberals, known as the Democrats. Do I have that right?

[polichick]

19. LOL - Nixon was more liberal than most of today's Dems...

Wake up buddy!

[tridim]

28. Nixon was a racist piece of shit

You're really confused.

[LanternWaste]

51. A racist who expanded the very liberal Federal Water Pollution Control Act with the Clean Water Act

A racist who expanded the very liberal Federal Water Pollution Control Act with the Clean Water Act of 1972.

Far too many Democrats in the here and now would run from that type of legislation as though it were bad corporate branding with no cash attached.

If curious, one may read 'President Nixon, Alone in the White House' by Richard Reeves who maintains and lists many acts that today would be seen as progressive legislation.




Although I realize it's rather difficult for us to allow the vast majority of humanity the allowance of both good and bad deeds, and we'd much rather assign one simplistic label to better assuage our own positions, that road is rife with intellectual fraud against both ourselves and others.

[totodeinhere]

11. You should be proud to be a progressive Democrat. But remember that

Moveon.org is one of the premier progressive organizations in this country. They have had Barack Obama's back on a lot of issues. But when 73% of their membership opposes a military strike against Syria then that should tell you something.

[KamaAina]

17. I'm actually surprised it's that low.

I'm hoping a lot of the remaining 27% are undecided rather than rah-rah pro-war.

[totodeinhere]

23. Some of them may not want to cross the president which is understandable.

That might also be the main reason why some at DU support the attack as well.

[lark]

34. I'm still a registered Dem.

In my state primary voting is by voter registration, so I will never change as long as I live here. It is much better than the total social insanity of the other party. I could NEVER vote for an R. However, I totally agree that when it comes to war, banking, & big business, the parties are nearly identical.

How I would love to see a real Democrat like Warren run for president.

[KamaAina]

16. I believe "it" refers to the Dem party

and "them" to MoveOn and its progressive membership.

[Road Scholar]

24. very revealing

nt

[texshelters]

36. "Them" is a commonly used pronoun

that refers to a third person plural pronoun object.

PTxS

[LibAsHell]

3. Good to hear

And great seeing a post from a fellow ATHF fan!

[Daniel537]

7. Major effort? Lol.

Let me guess, more protesters with "Hands off Assad, err Syria" signs?

[Jon Ace]

10. No. TWO emails per day instead of one. (nt)

[Comrade Grumpy]

25. So amused to see you laughing at people who want a say in the process.

[texshelters]

37. So, you liked the Iraq Wars

because Hussein was a criminal ? We should invade North Korea then.

Your logic is impeachable.

PTxS

[avaistheone1]

12. Glad to hear it.

I will definitely join in their efforts. This bulls**t isn't going down without notice or a fight.

[philosslayer]

15. What do they know the President doesn't?

President Obama was elected. Overwhelmingly. Twice. He's the most honest President (with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter) we've had in my lifetime, and he has access to facts we don't. I trust him, and I trust his judgement.

[uhnope]

21. They know polling, tyranny of the majority, and fundraising

[lark]

35. So, you want to cut social security?

The president has proposed this for years and even put it in his budget. If he's an honest man, as you think, he must truly support cutting social security or why would he offer it up? He said his government would be transparent, but has lead a huge increase in surveillance on ordinary Americans who have no contact with terrorists.

I wish I could trust him, but those days are long gone. He's earned every bit of the distrust.

He is not even near the Jimmy Carter league of honesty and goodness, so disappointed to say.
Carter is the only president in recent memory who didn't start a war. Too bad Obama is not in that category.

[Carolina]

46. Touche, lark

I was going to reply to the 23 post newbie with blind faith in Obomber, but your reply was excellent and saved me the time, breath and frankly, vitriol!

Not only has BHO earned every bit of distrust, but it is fast becoming disdain. Just imagine if he'd drawn a red line in the sand about the public option in healthcare and then fought for it as hard as he is fighting for this war....

To me he's worse than shrub because of his duplicity: populist speeches, neocon behavior.

[lark]

50. Glad to be of service

[frylock]

40. Hi, Brittney!

[JoeyT]

44. I dearly love seeing things like this.

Most people aren't *quite* so open about being authoritarian, so it's refreshing when people come right out and admit it.

"I TRUST AUTHORITY WHY DONT YOU?!" won't win many hearts or minds, but at least it's honest.

[philosslayer]

47. None of us can fathom the difficulty of President Obama's job

We really can't. It's 24/7. Unrelenting pressure. Constant decisions. And yet the Negative Nellie brigade continues to second guess, undercut, and tut-tut every decision they don't completely agree with.

President Obama has sacrificed a good portion of his life to serve us. And what does he get in return? Lots of armchair quarterbacking. It's a wonder he can do his job at all when the Democrats who elected him constantly are looking for ways to throw him under the bus. It's sickening.

[JoeyT]

49. Same defense we see on threads when a cop is on video kicking someone's head in.

If he didn't want the job, he can resign. If it's too much for him, he can resign. He's our employee, not the other way around. He. Works. For. Us. We can question anything we like.

Yes, people criticize politicians when they don't agree with them. Dear god, the horror.

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. Remind me to reconfigure my Junk Mail settings

[mrdmk]

42. Ok, you are reminded!

[onehandle]

22. Concentrate on domestic issues, please. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

26. And leave the war-making to your betters.

[texshelters]

38. Your point is?

PTxS

[MotherPetrie]

27. Good. Wonder if they have buyer's remorse.

[KaryninMiami]

29. It won't make a difference

There does not appear to be any chance of turning back now regardless of the millions of signatures MoveOn will be able to manifest. The President, SOS and the rest of the top decision makers are all- or just about all- on board. Between the lobbyists here and the supporters afar, we are heading into a war whether we like it or not. I'm sad to say.

[David__77]

31. I dunno. The vote was kinda close in the senate committee

I think moveon could make the difference! GO! No war!

[hoosierlib]

30. Waste of time and money....

Seriously, inaction on this is akin to approving of future chemical weapons usage by other dictators...

[lark]

39. USA used chemical weapons in Fallujah!

So we have no right to bomb others for taking the same action that we do? Depleted uranium and white phosphorous are both extremely dangerous chemicals and used by our troops in Iraq.

How does killing innocent Syrian civilians help innocent Syrian civilians? Plus think for even one minute what this would do - help the rebels. Do we really want to do that when most are extremist and there is a strong Al-Qaeda & Hezzbollah affiliation. Do you want to help them?

[frylock]

41. so get your fucking ass down to the recruiting depot, john wayne.

[hoosierlib]

52. I did, 12 years ago...

I have served two tours overseas in support of the GWOT and I continue to serve. What have you done?

[David__77]

32. Those who vote for this should be primaried when possible.

Seriously. This is THAT serious. Or, it will be, and people will realize it.

[gopiscrap]

33. Excellent I want to take part

[wisteria]

43. Move On needs to move on. They are clueless about

the ramifications of doing nothing. This I all political on their part and about rising money. I won't be supporting them.

[Carolina]

48. Oh puhleeze

and the consequences of launching missiles has such unquestionably good ramifications?!
Killing with bombs to show that killing with gas is such a good thing?!

Why is war the first response rather than diplomacy?
Would you feel this way and be so cavalier if those promoting this impending disaster didn't have Ds beside their names?
Get the to thy local recruiter forthwith and back up your ramifications

[David__77]

45. They should run television ads.

Now is the time.