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Syria chemical arms: 'Global red line' crossed - Kerry (Original Post) Cryptoad Sep 2013 OP
MY Red Line has Been Crossed Too! School Teacher Sep 2013 #1
I'm right there with you on this. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #10
How did the just US and the Arabs reach a global agreement ? dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #2
Global modifies red line - not agreement karynnj Sep 2013 #16
Then the globe take care of it, not our fucking business..... bowens43 Sep 2013 #3
Then let the rest of the globe respond. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #4
How can he claim it is global when it isn't supported by the majority of the people on earth? Taitertots Sep 2013 #5
Kerry has no grasp of the meaning of the word global. dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #15
Their are treaties signed by most countries that say chemical weapons should not be used karynnj Sep 2013 #17
This guy won't shut up QuestForSense Sep 2013 #6
Yeah, great . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #7
John Kerry: 'There is no military solution' Cryptoad Sep 2013 #8
I pity the poor SOBs that are actually trying to logically follow arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #11
Which Lying is this? nt Cryptoad Sep 2013 #12
For starters, he apparently OPPOSED the Iraq War. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #13
Easy to accuse one of lying Cryptoad Sep 2013 #14
He did karynnj Sep 2013 #18
I know about the speech. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #20
He said his vote was wrong in 2005 and repeatedly after that karynnj Sep 2013 #21
Blah blah blah blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #9
The media did not cover Kerry's official speech answering the SBVT before the fire fighters karynnj Sep 2013 #19
That would be an Arab League redline daleo Sep 2013 #22
Kerry has crossed the sanity line... nt ocpagu Sep 2013 #23
K&R Carolina Sep 2013 #24
So disappointed in Kerry Marrah_G Sep 2013 #25
 

School Teacher

(71 posts)
1. MY Red Line has Been Crossed Too!
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:28 PM
Sep 2013

Yes, We the People have a Red Line as well. Personally for me when I saw Kerry up there lying and beating the war drums for PNAC and AIPAC, my red line was crossed.

We are full tilt working hard to push back. There will be no inch given to the warmongers. We will not tolerate fence sitters. This is the one chance that We the People have to defeat this moral disaster. We are hounding our congressional representatives and like a dog with a bone we will not let go.

We are leaving to the Green Party if the bombs drop. We are picketing every fundraiser for congress persons who vote for this and we are gonna stop paying federal taxes.
We are done.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
10. I'm right there with you on this.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 05:11 PM
Sep 2013

We'll never forget who voted for Obama's War against Syria.

And I do think it's fair to call it just that, since he's been waging it covertly for close to two years.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
16. Global modifies red line - not agreement
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 05:49 PM
Sep 2013

The global red line is because governments representing over 90% have signed agreements that Chemical weapons should not be used.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
5. How can he claim it is global when it isn't supported by the majority of the people on earth?
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 03:52 PM
Sep 2013

Or even in the US.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
17. Their are treaties signed by most countries that say chemical weapons should not be used
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 05:53 PM
Sep 2013

I assume that the vast majority of people in the US agree that chemical weapons should not be used. Where there is disagreement is whether attacking Syria will have sufficient good consequences to do it -- and that it will not make things worse.

I assume that the majority of people here agree that chemical weapons should not be used - even by the US or countries allied with us.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
8. John Kerry: 'There is no military solution'
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:43 PM
Sep 2013
John Kerry: 'There is no military solution'
8 September 2013 Last updated at 09:02 ET Help

The US Secretary of State John Kerry has met foreign ministers of the Arab League in Paris as he continues his tour of Europe to gather support for military intervention in Syria.

Earlier, at a news conference with his French counterpart Laurent Fabius, Mr Kerry said there was growing support for a military strike in response to the use of chemical weapons in Damascus last month.

France supports the US on Syria, but like the other members of the European Union, it wants to wait for a report by UN weapons inspectors. (From Paris Mr Kerry will travel to London where he will meet the Palestinian president.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24008545

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
18. He did
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 05:56 PM
Sep 2013

The vote was in October 2002 - no inspectors had been in for 4 years. Kerry said his vote was to give Bush the leverage needed to get the inspections and have a stronger hand in diplomacy.

In January 2003, before the war, he gave a speech that called for not rushing to war and letting the inspectors finish and exhausting diplomacy. Throughout the first half of 2003, he was regularly identified as anti-war.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
20. I know about the speech.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 06:06 PM
Sep 2013

IMO, he knew exactly what that vote meant. The speech was political cover.

I voted for him in 2004. I wanted to believe he regretted voting to authorize Bush to invade Iraq.

I don't think he ever once expressed remorse, he just criticized the conduct of the war.

On the Hill the other day, Kerry proudly asserted that he had backed several U.S. military interventions.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
21. He said his vote was wrong in 2005 and repeatedly after that
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 06:38 PM
Sep 2013

Here is a link to the 2006 Take back America speech where he says the vote was wrong and the war immoral - https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEfetW7VMOdw&ei=KfwsUofiE5io4APvmYCYCQ&usg=AFQjCNHjAHyd0aY_wVWtaehBB8UXDChkEw&bvm=bv.51773540,d.dmg

The fact is that he said in 2004 - in his major speech on Iraq at NYU in September - that had he been President he would not have invaded.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
9. Blah blah blah
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:44 PM
Sep 2013

Too bad Mr. Kerry didn't show even a fraction as much gumption against the Swift Boat Republicans in 04 as he does against Syria w/his newly minted War Hawk pals in the WH.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
19. The media did not cover Kerry's official speech answering the SBVT before the fire fighters
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 06:03 PM
Sep 2013

In addition, it was not Kerry's story vs the SBVT stories - it was the official NAVY record against them. Kerry counted on the fact that he gave the media his entire Navy record and put everything but medical records on his web site for over a year so anyone could see. In any earlier race the media would have asked the SBVT for proof as they were disputing the official record and they would have been trashed after the first several lies were proven to be lies.

This is like handing the media your transcript if your college performance is questioned -- and having the media continue to give equal weight to people who claimed to have sat near you in a class and known you were bad. Then not bothering to correct the story when it was found they attended a school on the other side of the state.

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