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alp227

(32,013 posts)
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:41 PM Sep 2013

SeaWorld to cut hours for part-time workers, avoiding health-insurance law

Source: Orlando Sentinel

SeaWorld Entertainment Inc. is reducing hours for thousands of part-time workers, a move that should allow the Orlando-based theme-park owner to avoid offering those employees medical insurance under the federal government's health-care overhaul.

SeaWorld confirmed the move Monday in a brief written statement to the Orlando Sentinel. The company operates 11 theme parks across the United States and has approximately 22,000 employees — nearly 18,000 of whom are part-time or seasonal workers. It has more than 4,000 part-time and seasonal workers just in Central Florida.

SeaWorld will no longer allow part-time employees to work more than 28 hours a week, down from a previous cap of 32 hours per week.

That's significant because it should prevent those employees from being classified as full-time workers under the Affordable Care Act, the health-care overhaul championed by President Barack Obama and passed by Congress in 2010.

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-seaworld-part-time-workers-hours-20130909,0,6129525.story



There are already plenty of reasons why SeaWorld should be on your sh** list (as a political science professor of mine says). Recently, OSHA fined SeaWorld over a safety violation and labeled the park a "repeat offender". And don't forget Dawn Brancheau.
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SeaWorld to cut hours for part-time workers, avoiding health-insurance law (Original Post) alp227 Sep 2013 OP
Well, screw them tonekat Sep 2013 #1
Humans are animals too thelordofhell Sep 2013 #3
+1 Divine Discontent Sep 2013 #50
Yet another reason to skip this place when planning vacations. nt TBF Sep 2013 #2
Screw you, Shamu! KamaAina Sep 2013 #4
"Shamu" is the most innocent of all. tblue Sep 2013 #24
Just when you donnasgirl Sep 2013 #5
Yep, collateral damage LibertyLover Sep 2013 #6
Fucking business assholes gopiscrap Sep 2013 #7
The Politicians donnasgirl Sep 2013 #9
They're plenty intelligent. tblue Sep 2013 #25
Amen donnasgirl Sep 2013 #26
Governments, colleges and nonprofits are doing the same Yo_Mama Sep 2013 #12
Like I said before gopiscrap Sep 2013 #13
I agree with you warrant46 Sep 2013 #30
And What(or whom) will be blamed grilled onions Sep 2013 #8
if the law is designed to work this way, the blame falls on those who passed the law nt msongs Sep 2013 #10
So another place I won't spend time or money. Jakes Progress Sep 2013 #11
Where are you going to spend time and money? Yo_Mama Sep 2013 #16
Watch "The Cove" and "Blackfish" Marrah_G Sep 2013 #14
If a loophole exists, people will use it marshall Sep 2013 #15
The truth is that they have already been cutting hours Maeve Sep 2013 #17
happening to people everywhere. MFM008 Sep 2013 #18
You are correct donnasgirl Sep 2013 #19
It is happening all over. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #49
What did Obama think was going to happen? Bo Sep 2013 #20
STUDY: Very Few Employers Have Actually Cut Workers’ Hours Because Of Obamacare Ian David Sep 2013 #23
I'm sure that chart is comforting. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #28
You don't understand how things like "math" work, do you? n/t Ian David Sep 2013 #34
You don't understand how things like the "real world" work do you? ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2013 #41
Still, more people are helped than are hurt. It's called "Math" and "Reality." Ian David Sep 2013 #42
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #46
What you're doing is the equivalent of making a case against seat belts... Ian David Sep 2013 #51
AND that they must maintain open availability jmowreader Sep 2013 #35
I imagine the corollary is true also LanternWaste Sep 2013 #55
Thank You Ian...It is difficult to gage Bo Sep 2013 #57
You sure you on the right forum? alp227 Sep 2013 #29
so will Obamacare help these workers in some other way? Enrique Sep 2013 #21
This is Florida and we are not participating as far as I know in the medicaid expansion. Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #32
Seaworld is owned by the Blackstone Group. Ian David Sep 2013 #22
Well, they abuse animals, so no surprise they'd abuse their employees too. HERVEPA Sep 2013 #27
Here is their email address in case you would like to send them a note Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #31
My county just did this to all it's part time employees madville Sep 2013 #33
Thanks for a good reason for not going back to Sea World besides it being overpriced. marble falls Sep 2013 #36
Not a problem. The employees will just be compelled to get their own insurance. Everybody wins. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #37
This means more people will use the Health exchanges paulrandfu Sep 2013 #38
I wish someone could have predicted this before the law was passed. Pterodactyl Sep 2013 #39
Mystifying that nobody saw this coming. A true mystery of our times. Safetykitten Sep 2013 #52
Anyone who's ever worked retail, food service, or hospitality services industries S_B_Jackson Sep 2013 #54
Single-payer, single-payer, single-payer DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #40
Fuck you, Sea World sakabatou Sep 2013 #43
for many reasons, +1 Divine Discontent Sep 2013 #48
This is simply blaming government for their bad business plan greatlaurel Sep 2013 #44
Time to UglyGreed Sep 2013 #45
SCUMMY WATER!!!!!!!!! Divine Discontent Sep 2013 #47
I just watched "Blackfish the movie" Marrah_G Sep 2013 #53
Won't be going there.... bobGandolf Sep 2013 #56
Single payer, Medicare for all Doctor_J Sep 2013 #58

tonekat

(1,811 posts)
1. Well, screw them
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:45 PM
Sep 2013

Just one more violation of decency to go on their list. Usually they commit offenses against animals, I guess they're expanding to hurt humans too.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
24. "Shamu" is the most innocent of all.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:00 PM
Sep 2013

All their captive animal performers are victims of that evil company. Avoid them at all costs, but support the animals' right to live free. It's awful how they're mistreated and used, and many others die as their family members are captured.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
5. Just when you
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:55 PM
Sep 2013

Think you have built the ultimate mouse trap along comes another one even better, the employers have found a way around the law and nothing is going to be done, We the little people are going to be the unintended consequence.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
12. Governments, colleges and nonprofits are doing the same
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:19 PM
Sep 2013

Sadly, it looks like this is the way of the future until the law is changed.

gopiscrap

(23,733 posts)
13. Like I said before
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:21 PM
Sep 2013

I fear that we either need a revolution or a depression before things will change.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
30. I agree with you
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:40 PM
Sep 2013

A single payer universal health care system is unfortunately not in the cards.

We need to WIN the new War in Syria first. We'll talk about your idea later (Much later)

</sarcasm>

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
8. And What(or whom) will be blamed
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:01 PM
Sep 2013

They will make sure that the blame goes to those who feel healthcare is for everyone. Even though "they" are to blame the blame game always goes in the opposite direction and it is up to US to make sure we inform all of those who are losing their jobs or getting cut back who should be blamed.
There must be a way that we can stop these selfish bas&%$#s in their tracks. They make so much money plus what they make on the backs of the minimum wage employees on top of the fact that being insured is never something they worry about that it is about time we give them something to worry about without taking it out on the little guy AGAIN.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. Where are you going to spend time and money?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:36 PM
Sep 2013

Tell me who isn't doing this?

Governments are doing it. All the stores are doing it, including the grocery stores. The restaurants are almost all doing it.

Nonprofits are doing it:
http://www.thenonprofittimes.com/news-articles/part-time-staff-hours-in-flux-due-to-obamacare/

marshall

(6,665 posts)
15. If a loophole exists, people will use it
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:29 PM
Sep 2013

The way to get around this is not to trust in good intentions, but to close the loopholes. Otherwise everybody would be paying more than their asked for amount of federal income tax.

Maeve

(42,279 posts)
17. The truth is that they have already been cutting hours
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:37 PM
Sep 2013

And would have, ACA or not. They also schedule part-time employees with rotating shifts, making it difficult to have a second job, as do many companies--their benefits are what matter and screw the worker.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
18. happening to people everywhere.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

my son, full time fired by Lowe's after 10 years-- said he took 1 day off to many
my sister fired from Home Depot after 10 full time years- they said she left the wrong door open
her boyfriend Chris fired from Home Depot after 8 years -full time.

My son hired at McLendons as a temp, no benefits, pink slipped after 4 months.

The real proof.
Lowe's rehired my son part time (hes a specialist) some benefits but not like full time.
My sister is a temp, her boyfriend works landscaping...no benefits.

this isn't a coincidence.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
19. You are correct
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:18 PM
Sep 2013

this is not a coincidence, this issue is in response to the healthcare law.
This is happening all over the country and the people better wake up before we have a nation of part time workers, my neighbors are retired from IBM and now will be losing their healthcare. Nice isn't it

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
49. It is happening all over.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:51 PM
Sep 2013

And if you look down there are some people who will flat out deny its happening, it's pathetic.


I'll take real world experiences and first hand accounts over a few people who seem to only live in the realm of the internet.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
23. STUDY: Very Few Employers Have Actually Cut Workers’ Hours Because Of Obamacare
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:44 PM
Sep 2013

With implementation of the Affordable Care Act inching closer by the day, there’s been a slow but steady stream of employers claiming that the law is forcing them to cut back workers’ hours and rely more heavily on part-time employees. But for all the talk, very few companies have actually cut hours because of Obamacare, according to a new analysis by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR).

Obamacare requires firms that have 50 or more employees to provide a minimum level of health coverage to their full-time workers — defined as those who work 30 hours or more per week — or pay a $2,000 per employee fine after the first 30 workers. Since the overwhelming majority of companies that size already offer health care benefits, the provision only affects about 10,000 firms. Nonetheless, reform critics have latched onto the narrative that the requirement is a job-killer, citing the example of retail and service sector companies like Regal Theaters that are cutting back hours to avoid paying for workers’ health care benefits.

The CEPR report shows that to be a minority position among larger employers. Since 30 hours per week is the threshold for employees receiving benefits under the law, researchers expected companies that didn’t want to comply with Obamacare to roll back workers’ hours to just below that threshold. But only about 0.6 percent of the labor force worked between 26 and 29 hours per week in 2013. Since 2012, the number of part-time employees working that range of hours actually stayed statistically the same. Furthermore, less than a third of workers say they are working less than 30 hours because of an employers’ decision — most choose to work the limited number of hours. That led the authors to conclude that the trend “is in the wrong direction for the ACA as job-killer story.”

“While there may certainly be instances of individual employers carrying through with threats to reduce their employees’ hours to below 30 to avoid the sanctions in the ACA, the numbers are too small to show up in the data,” the CEPR researchers write. “It appears that in setting worker hours employers are responding to business considerations in much the same way as they did before the ACA took effect.”

More:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/25/2353201/few-employers-cut-workers-hours-because-of-obamacare/



Also:

Obamacare Isn't Causing Employers To Cut Worker Hours: White House

...
In May, a poll conducted by the International Foundation of Employee Benefit Plans, an organization of human-resources professionals, showed that despite concerns about rising health-care costs, more than two-thirds of companies definitely plan to offer health benefits to full-time employees. The same poll found that only 0.5 percent of companies said they would definitely discontinue health benefits.
...


More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/obamacare-worker-hours_n_3882403.html

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
28. I'm sure that chart is comforting.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:09 PM
Sep 2013

To someone who was just told they aren't getting more than 30 hours a week at their 10 dollar an hour job.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
41. You don't understand how things like the "real world" work do you?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:59 AM
Sep 2013

Take your smarmy self righteousness elsewhere. My sister works for a school district in Nebraska and is going to have her hours cut to less than 30 a week.

There is a real world outside of charts and graphs and when it comes to bite you in the ass maybe you'll have a better perspective on things.


The cost of progress? School districts cut part-time hours to save cash

Officials in the Papillion-La Vista school district plan to cut the hours of as many as 281 part-time employees, most of them paraprofessionals, to avoid the cost of a federal mandate to provide health insurance to employees working at least 30 hours a week.

“I’m just glad I’m not putting food on the table like I was a few years ago,” said Wolfe, who works at Rumsey Station Elementary School. “I have an empty nest. I really do feel for people whose money goes for food and braces.”

The goal of the federal law was to give more Americans access to affordable insurance coverage. Adding more people to the insurance pool, particularly younger, healthier individuals who now often go without it, should reduce premium and medical costs for everyone.


http://www.omaha.com/article/20130523/LIVEWELL26/705239925




Keep burying your head in the sand and running your mouth on the internet, but Googling facts and figures doesn't make you an expert.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
42. Still, more people are helped than are hurt. It's called "Math" and "Reality."
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:57 AM
Sep 2013

Cherry-picking negative anecdotes is called "propaganda" and "bias."

Response to Ian David (Reply #42)

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
51. What you're doing is the equivalent of making a case against seat belts...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 06:19 PM
Sep 2013

... because sometimes, there are people who survive and are "thrown clear."

Yes, there are real people who are negatively affected by Obamacare.

But over-all, there are more people that it helps.

jmowreader

(50,543 posts)
35. AND that they must maintain open availability
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:40 PM
Sep 2013

Which means, in plain English, "you are not to get another job if you want to keep this one."

It's a bit like the Hells Angels' "you will not belong to another motorcycle club" edict, but the Angels have sharper uniforms.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. I imagine the corollary is true also
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 03:40 PM
Sep 2013

I imagine the corollary is true also-- "I'm sure insurance is comforting to someone who was just denied by treatment by their insurer..."



Six of one half a dozen of the other, yes?

(Insert distinction without a difference here)

Bo

(1,080 posts)
57. Thank You Ian...It is difficult to gage
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:27 PM
Sep 2013

the effects of the law because of all the bad press. I work 1099 and still have a hard time finding out info about it.
I just constantly hear about employers like IBM and SeaWorld blaming Obama care for there lack of health care benefits. There has been no National clarity on this issue, and it has become a racial dividing issue from my point of view.

alp227

(32,013 posts)
29. You sure you on the right forum?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:32 PM
Sep 2013

This sounds like the right wing "Obama is anti-business/Obama doesn't know economics" talking points.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
21. so will Obamacare help these workers in some other way?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:42 PM
Sep 2013

for example, will they qualify for Medicaid, which has been expanded?

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
32. This is Florida and we are not participating as far as I know in the medicaid expansion.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:50 PM
Sep 2013

The gov relented but the legislature said no last time I looked.
edited because I posted medicare instead of medicaid.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
22. Seaworld is owned by the Blackstone Group.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:43 PM
Sep 2013

Blackstone's private equity business has been one of the largest investors in leveraged buyout transactions over the last decade, while its real estate business has actively acquired commercial real estate. Since its inception, Blackstone has completed investments in such notable companies as Hilton Worldwide, Equity Office Properties, Republic Services, AlliedBarton, United Biscuits, Freescale Semiconductor, Vivint[4] and Travelport.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone_Group

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
31. Here is their email address in case you would like to send them a note
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:48 PM
Sep 2013

I did. SEAguestcorrespondence@SeaWorld.com

madville

(7,408 posts)
33. My county just did this to all it's part time employees
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:00 PM
Sep 2013

They also changed some full time positions over to part time and no one is allowed to work over 28 hours a week.

 

paulrandfu

(35 posts)
38. This means more people will use the Health exchanges
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:17 PM
Sep 2013

which will bring costs down for everyone and is a plus for Obamacare. They will get 100% of their health care costs covered by the government. They will get better health care options also. Now, we need a special tax for corporations that do not offer full time work. They have been subsidized my government for decades (workers needing medicaid, food stamps, ect...) so its time for a special non living wage tax. Walmart alone would probably pay a few billion dollars more tax under this special tax.

S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
54. Anyone who's ever worked retail, food service, or hospitality services industries
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:58 AM
Sep 2013

could have told you this was coming. The games those industries play with Full Time I (guaranteed 40 hours per week) vs. Full Time II (30-40 hours per week) vs. Part-Time (20-29 hours per week) vs. Extra/On-call (less than 20 hours per week) employee classifications are simply mind boggling.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
44. This is simply blaming government for their bad business plan
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 10:26 AM
Sep 2013

Seaworld is incredibly overpriced, besides being vile animal abusers. It is not a sustainable business. They are using ACA as an excuse to cut their work force as they are no doubt bleeding money, because no one who has a clue about their abusive practices will go there. The only people who go are the uninformed and the clueless and most of them can no longer afford to go there.

This happened in the 1970's and 1980's when the steel and auto industries were failing because of their bad business plans. They used the EPA boogeyman as their cover story for the massive layoffs they were going to do anyway.

It is a scam by business to hide their bad management.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
53. I just watched "Blackfish the movie"
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:32 PM
Sep 2013

There is a special place in hell for the operators of Seaworld and parks like it.

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