BREAKING: Syria Will Declare Its Chemical Weapons Arsenal, Sign Chemical Weapons Convention
Source: Associated Press
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Syria Will Sign Chemical Weapons Convention, Declare Arsenal, Foreign Ministery Says
Posted: 09/10/2013 2:28 pm EDT | Updated: 09/10/2013 2:31 pm EDT
BEIRUT (AP) -- Syrian FM: Syria will declare its chemical weapons arsenal, sign chemical weapons convention.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/syria-chemical-weapons-convention_n_3901417.html
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)Dollface
(1,590 posts)rocktivity
(44,573 posts)I never did buy the idea of Obama boldly going forth into a carbon copy of what he criticized Bush for doing. Now he comes up a winner because he showed that he can get along with the Russians, settle international crises without firing a shot, prevent additional needless slaughter of innocent civilians, and give Congress a graceful way out of voting for a military strike since it goes against "the will of the people."
This is being totally scripted, and it looks like "The Rope-A-Dope Kid" has struck again.
rocktivity
blm
(113,037 posts).
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Some DUers may have to munch on Crow.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)The fraudsters and banksters must have bought off Assad. Obama really owes them big time now. Watch.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Maybe they didn't want to get the piss bombed out of themselves in Syria.
I will watch...you be wrong.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #12)
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BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)Thanks for the laugh. Get some rest.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Object not found when I try to access his post.
What did it say?
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)I wouldn't have alerted or hidden.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I'm sorry, but there's been a LOT of whacked out stuff being posted on here, and your statement could have been interpreted either way. Next time you post a comment like this, without any real hints, please DO use the sarcasm sign afterwards. Alright? Trust me on this.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)Of course, you're right. I am in an odd way pleased that I could so easily impersonate a nut job.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...who was upset when both Obama and Kerry were banging the war drum and waxing poetic the exact same way that Cheney, Wolfowitz or Kristol would.
I will say this. I believe this whole thing began as with the President toeing the line for the neocons. Now whether he intended, from the beginning, to screw the neocons--who knows?
The point is--Obama f'd over and outwitted them. He asked for a vote, which is certainly atypical of the "Unitary executive" style of the neocons. I don't think Kerry's "misstatement" during his speech was an error at all. Did you see how quickly a higher-up at the State Dept positioned Kerry's comment as an error that happened when he "went off script"??
BULLSHIT! Kerry/Obama knew what they were doing and they are barreling toward the exact results they want--No war.
JFK had to deal with the warmongering
neocon bastards during the Bay Of Pigs. Just like JFK, President Obama just pulled us back from the cliff, despite immense pressure and brow beating from the pathological wing of the Republican Party.
No, Obama is not a neocon, which is why I was so upset. Upset that they have so much power and brute force. We should all be united against the neocon cancer that has taken over our government. For one, they will return to fight another day. Maybe they'll pull a false flag in retaliation for Obama's stand-up actions. Secondly, Obama just defied them, outwitted them and told the MIC to get bent. I think we all need to be united in our support of our President going forward, because I believe he just slammed the door on a bunch of bloodthirsty, sociopathic goons who don't like it when they are told "not on my watch buddy."
I will speak out when any politician furthers the neocon agenda, and I will also praise any politician who has the courage, integrity, character and strength to stand up to those bastards. And Presidenf Obama is doing just that.
mzmolly
(50,984 posts)credit for having a thoughtful President, who they didn't vote for.
LibAsHell
(180 posts)This non-military option magically appeared when Obama realized he wasn't going to get congressional approval and the overwhelming majority of the public was against strikes. Kerry has been touring the world drumming up support, and it wasn't because he and Obama were planning to introduce a diplomatic solution the whole time. Stop acting like it was some genius plan. They fucked up, and Russia, of all people, saved their asses by coming up with something at the last minute.
If Congress had given the thumbs up immediately, we'd likely already be engaged.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)Obama suddenly "realized" that Congress wasn't going to support him, and the public was against the strikes.
I'm sure he was totally unaware of those two more-than-fuckin'-obvious realities all along.
Sanddog42
(117 posts)Did I do that right?
LibAsHell
(180 posts)It's much more likely that he sent Kerry around the world to get support for military strikes, told us that it was the only option left, and started organizing military resources, just waiting for someone to call his bluff.
Thank god for Russia, I guess. If they hadn't come up with this plan Obama would have been forced to take it down to the wire before admitting it was strictly posturing, and that would have made him look really bad.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)your ass can't cash.
You can't expect the threat of a military strike to be taken seriously, if you're not actually rattling that saber in a VERY public way. Which is what Obama, and Kerry, did.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)arewenotdemo
(2,364 posts)But then, according to Kerry, attacking another nation with bombs and missiles isn't really war, it's diplomacy.
Cha
(297,029 posts)they know it or not.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)Obama gets to look tough, and doesn't have to bomb anybody. Putin gets to be a peacemaker. Assad and Syria don't get bombed.
Israel, al-Qaeda, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the neocons won't be happy but fuck them. This was never our fight. We are NOT al-Qaeda's air force and navy.
Wolf
polichick
(37,152 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Chemical weapons taken out of service
No Americans put into harms way
Pres. Obama gets a big foreign policy win
War Powers Act takes a hit since he set a precedent to go to Congress for even limited military action.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Honestly didn't see the potential scope until I read your post.
You may be correct.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Sometimes in being a "peacemaker" you have to talk S***.
Pres O did both! And I see RWers talking points again - LOL
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Funny ho he finally will get a bipartisan vote against his war action...but that will make future "unitary executive" actions a lot more dofficult. Well done PBO!!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)THAT will be freaking hilarious!
Make it 5 wins if that actually happens.
Cha
(297,029 posts)deserve its own thread.
polichick
(37,152 posts)titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,440 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)case in beating their war drums against Iran. How can house gopers vote for it when they voted against Syria?
Well played Pres O.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)We managed not to get stuck with the tar baby this time.
I wonder what certain voices in Israel and Saudi Arabia will have to say about this. It probably won't be "awesome!!"
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)are wondering how to scuttle this.
Skraxx
(2,970 posts)SunSeeker
(51,545 posts)Glorfindel
(9,725 posts)The best news in a long time!
mahannah
(893 posts)arewenotdemo
(2,364 posts)International law only applies to certain nations.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)USA has 10% remaining.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)They're now back on track.
When you have to build chemical destruction facilities on site where they're stored, it takes time.
mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)and say "he hasn't bombed anyone." Now, he just says "see."
arewenotdemo
(2,364 posts)Now let's see if Obama ends his covert, criminal war against Syria.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Any bets when the rockets will fly?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3563380
Just kidding, she's ignoring me because I'm right about Obama all the time.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Javaman
(62,507 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)The bombers were on their way before it was resolved peacefully.
David__77
(23,365 posts)The Obama administration would have to agree to a UN resolution (if one is needed) that gives no authorization for sanctions or military action.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)and the President has already said that while he would prefer to have one, he doesn't need it.
The point being, Obama can continue to hold that stick while this plays out.
underpants
(182,718 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Yay, that Syria and Russia understood that Pres. Obama was serious,
Yay that we might not have to blow stuff up in another Muslim country!
But on the other hand, Boo that the civil war in Syria will last a lot longer and Assad is still going to win. X(
This whole Syria thing stinks from every angle.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)Russia's initial response is to be expected.
ASSOCIATED PRESS SEPTEMBER 10, 2013, 3:49 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) A State Department official says President Barack Obama is sending Secretary of State John Kerry to Switzerland this week to discuss a possible deal on Syrias chemical weapons with Russias foreign minister.
The official said Kerry would meet with Sergey Lavrov in Geneva on Thursday to try to reach a deal on a U.N. Security Council resolution that would require Syria to give up its chemical weapons or face consequences.
The official was not authorized to discuss the mission publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
The last-minute trip reflects a flurry of developments that have occurred since Russia said Monday it would push Syria to get rid of its chemical weapons stockpiles and Syria agreed.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/kerry-to-meet-with-russian-foreign-minister-on-syria.php
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I hope no one (on any side of this many-sided deal) starts upping the anti,
so as to undermine this fragile gem of a deal.
I just hope all parties stay focused. Who knows? Maybe this could begin a whole stream
of events that happily de-escalate the situation in Syria so the people can get back to
some semblance of law & order and safety.
nolabear
(41,956 posts)It's messy, there's a whole lot of second guessing and a whole lot of having to lay down prejudices and jealousies, but if we're lucky, it just might work.
Uncle Joe
(58,328 posts)Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)no matter the facts or concessions. In fact, they rushed to avoid further facts and concessions.
Iraq virtually disarmed as far as chemical weapons and then we shrugged and bombed the hell out of them anyway. Everyone is in love with themselves today and calling the President all but a god. This process has just started, how about we wait and see?
I see this going the way the Iraq chemical weapons agreement went.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,107 posts)If Obama and Putin discuss how to contain Assad and the civil war, which would benefit them both, was this past week staged? And though it was McCain pictured playing Poker on his smartphone, we know Obama plays Poker regularly. Bluffing, "Poker Face", any other terms that might apply?
happyslug
(14,779 posts)When the Nimitz enters the Mediterranean, then US military options expand, but till then what the US can do to Syria is quite limited, do to the refusal of Turkey Greece and Cyprus to use their bases (All are dependent on Iranian Oil).
Location of US Carriers:
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=217811069988644259786.000489a6f745d8c886913
As of September 4, 2013 the Nimitz is still in the Red Sea. The Military government of Egypt has said it would NOT leave any ship through the Suez Canal that is going into the Mediterranean to attack Syria. How much truth is in that statement is open to debate (But recent labor problems along the Suez may be related to opposition to a US attack on Syria among the laborers who do the work on the Suez Canal)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/10/workers-the-egyptian-armys-next-target/
Remember the Sinai Peninsula has been home to a outright revolt against Egypt, something Mursi was trying to resolve through peaceful means, but now the Military is clamping down hard on:
http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/16956
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013090533151/world/terrorism/the-challenge-of-blocking-the-suez-canal.html
Initech
(100,054 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)whether people like it or not..
the threat of force is always the bigger heavier hand....
none of us like it..
but people respond to it.
people are evil some times. evil people hafta see a viable threat against them before they will react.
that's just a terrible human trait im afraid .. greedy lustful controlling people don't always want to listen to reason if they think they have something to prove by puffing out their chest..
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Last week he said he didn't even have any chemical weapons.... Sure hope he isnt lying again!
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)The war is OVER, Baby!
Oh wait....
"
(Reuters) - Secretary of State John Kerry was making a rhetorical comment when he said on Monday that Syria's President Bashar al-Assad would not hand over his country's chemical weapons.
Kerry told a news briefing on Monday that Assad could avoid a military strike by turning over all his chemical weapons within a week but added that Assad was not about to do that.
"Secretary Kerry was making a rhetorical argument about the impossibility and unlikelihood of Assad turning over chemical weapons he has denied he used," a U.S. State Department spokeswoman said in an emailed statement.
"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/09/us-syria-crisis-weapons-idUSBRE9880GE20130909
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)You have to understand that given the lack of a US Aircraft Carrier in the Mediterranean, and the existence of Five Destroyers (with 480 Missile Launchers) , any American attack would be limited. The Introduction of Russia vessels, meant that for the US Destroyers to stay, they had to have some anti-Ship Missiles and Anti-Aircraft missiles (And some anti-Submarine missiles) among those 480 launchers (or if the ships did have nothing by Cruise missiles, hold some back to give the impression the US Destroyers had some anti-Ship Missiles, Anti-Aircraft missiles, and some anti-Submarine missiles.
As the news of the alleged Chemical Attack came out, the USS Harry S Truman was in the Mediterranean on its way to relieve the USS Nimitz in the Persian Gulf. The Harry S Truman went through the Suez Canal and relieved the USS Nimitz as Obama was announcing his decision that something should be done. At that point the Joint Chief of Staff told Obama of what could be done Militarily at that time, and in a week. In a week, the Nimitz could be sent to the Mediterranean on its way back home to Everett Washington (its home port) and on the way back home be the main base for any attack on Syria. Tell then, all that could be fired on Syria were Cruise Missiles from US Destroyers on Patrol in the Mediterranean (Total number Five). Each destroyer can carry 96 missiles but that can be Cruise Missiles, Anti-Ship Missiles, Anti-Aircraft missiles or anti-Submarine missiles (Thus the 480 total missiles).
With the Nimitz you have its escorts and their missiles (but these tend to have more defensive missiles, i.e, Anti-Ship, Anti-Air and Anti-Sub missiles) then free standing ships, for as escorts they could rely on the Carrier and its Aircraft to hit targets on land.
Thus till the Nimitz entered the Mediterranean, the option Obama had were limited. Russia and Iran saw this delay as a way to get a message to Syria to turn over its Chemicals to them (or the UN) so that any attack by the US would be seen NOT as an attack on Chemical Weapons under UN control, but an attack on Syria. The Syrian Government agreed to this offer to avoid an attack.
Thus Putin and Iran has put Obama on the Spot. Syria has decided to give up control of its Chemical weapons, thus removing any pretext that the use of such weapons justifies an attack on Syria. If Obama does order an attack, it is clearly to help the Rebels NOT to punish Syria for using Chemicals.
Remember, the US did not complain of past use of Chemicals by regimes we were supporting (The Chemical attacks by Saddam in Iranian Troops and on the Kurds in the 1980s are the classic examples) but will use the claim of such weapons to justify an attack the US wants to do anyway (The US claims of Chemical Weapons retained by Saddam when the US invaded Iraq in 2002).
Sorry, this is Putin's and Iran's doing (Probably more Iran's then Putin's), to force Obama either to back down, or go forward with the attack, an attack that will clearly show that the US want to change who is ruling Syria NOT to punish Syria for using Chemical Weapons. It was announced as US forces reached a level large enough for an effective attack on Syria tells me Iran told Assad that it was a now or never situation, i.e. announce giving up Chemical Weapons or face a full scale US attack, an attack Iran could not help them with. I suspect Putin told the Syrian's the same story.
On the other hand, if Obama does launch an attack, both Putin and Iran can now claim that the attack was NOT an attack on a user of Chemical Weapons, but an attempt to change who rules Syria, and such an attack violates Nuremberg and other post WWII treaties that set up the UN and present international law. Such a claim by Putin and Iran could be used to cut off Oil Shipments to any Nation that supports the US. Given Russia is the second largest NET oil exporter (Iran if #6), such a embargo would have a huge effect on world wide oil prices. Putin could demand that any nation wanting Russian Oil must agree that none of its bases can be used to support such an attack, and such a threat (if seconded by Iran) would have huge effect on Turkey, Greece, Cyprus and Italy. Those four nations will have to find some other source of Oil OR forbid the US from using bases in those nations.
Germany will also be effected, for its main source of Oil AND natural gas is Russia.
Notice I do NOT think Iran or Russia will do anything militarily if the US attack Syria. What they can do militarily is limited. On the other hand they are two of the biggest exporters of oil in the world and between them (and Venezuela) such an oil embargo will make the Oil Embargo of 1973 and the Oil Crisis of 1979 look like picnics given the tight situation when it come oil supplies that has existed since about 2002. Oil is Russia's and Iran's most powerful weapon, and that should be their first choice of weapons if they decide to do something about an attack on Syria.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)If Obama didn't threaten the use of force then Russia would still be dallying about ignoring the fact that Syria had a chemical weapons incident. So I'm not sure how Iran and Putin "forced Obama to back down" even as he gave a policy speech tonight saying he is ready to strike and willing to strike.
Obama isn't backing down at all and I'm sure the Nimitz is well on its way. The rumors that Egypt will prevent its passage are most certainly false. Sisi wants and needs US military aid money.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)And that is what Russia and Iran wants to make clear to the world. Thus they can oppose the strike and react to the strike as it was an attack on an innocent country, not a country that had done something "Wrong". Russia can veto any UN resolution with complete confidence that its position that any UN resolution support such a strike would violate the UN charter. You may disagree with that position but it is a much more defensible position then defending Syria's right to have chemical Weapons.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)As it stands now Russia is trying to avoid the UN, which is telling me that they're not really on board with this as much as they are pretending.
They don't have to have a Chapter 7 UN resolution authorizing or having a trigger for a strike, but they should certainly use a Chapter 6 UN resolution which authorizes the UNSC to be convened if a peaceful resolution isn't found. This is why they don't want to do it. Say they start disarming the chemical weapons and another chemical attack happens. They'd then be tasked to answer a lot of questions about the disarmament that they aren't prepared to answer. The risk is too great for them.
Oh, and another thing, Chapter 6 basically says that the countries convene at the UNSC in case of a threat to national security or whatever, and if there is another mass gassing, I can't see Russia credibly arguing that it's not a threat to national security.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)Finally, we can stop being bothered by the tens of thousands of civilians killed by non-chemical weapons and get back to important business, like the new season of American Idol.
Whew, what a relief.
arewenotdemo
(2,364 posts)The CIA has been training rebels in Turkey and Jordan, and we're funneling weapons to them through proxies (Qatar, Turkey and Saudi Arabia).
And God only knows what else!
This has been about regime change from Day One.
disidoro01
(302 posts)civil war, Obama Won!! Assad, as honest as they come, said he'd give up the chemical weapons they don't have.