U.S. Weapons (Funded & Organized by CIA Begin) Reaching Syrian Rebels

[Hissyspit]

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Source: Washington Post / CNN

@BreakingNews: Report: CIA begins delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, according to US officials, Syrian figures - @washingtonpost http://t.co/8zdI7ySsg9

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U.S. weapons reaching Syrian rebels

By Ernesto Londoño and Greg Miller, Published: WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 9:30 PM ET

The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the Stoate Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.

The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month.

The arms are being delivered as the United States is also shipping new types of nonlethal gear to rebels. That aid includes vehicles, sophisticated communications equipment and advanced combat medical kits.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

[Cleita]

1. Why? That's the dumbest thing we can do.

They will never get a cease fire until both sides are disarmed. Giving them weapons isn't going to advance that. Russia has to stop providing Assad with weapons too.

[John2]

36. Regardless

of what the U.S. Government claims, Syria has a Government and the U.S. doesn't get to choose Syria's Government. It is not up to any other state either to interfere in the affairs of another country. Supplying weapons to the rebels, because they cannot overthrow the Government is their problem. Show me the International Law which states or gives the U.S. the rights to intefere into the affairs of another country's disputes?

What the CIA is doing, would be illegal on the international stage. It qwould be no different than what the KGB or any other intelligence services would be doing in other countries. One thing is very clear here. The U.S. is not just innocent, as people on this forum supporting the rebels would like some to believe. The present Syrian Government was definately a problem for those Governments wanting to overthrow it.

The U.S. and Israel, did not like the Syrian Government's support of Iran,Hezbullah and Hamas. Assad and even his wife, did not see the Israeli Government, the same way Americans do. They are Arabs, and see the Israeli Government as oppressors to Arab peoples. They are also more tolerant of religious differences than the Wahbist or Sunni extremists among Arab society.

That is what has been useful for the Likud Government of Israel, when describing Arab extremists. They play upon the divisions of the Arabs, the same way Western Europeans played on the Native Indian Tribes of the New World and the native tribes of Africa. If you want to understand the present and future, the History is nothing more than a Bible. That is what Arab people and people in general need to be careful of. There are bad people in all societies.

Syria having WMD does not bother me as long as I see a government ruled by Netanyahu possesses WMD. Does anyone doubt Netanyahu would not use WMD if his country's life depended on it? He would be no different than the so called mad men of Syria, Iran or North Korea. It is when people believe they are superior, when the problem begins. The only action any World Power should take, is treat both sides the same, if they are truely honest. The United States has not shown this. If the region is unstable, it is because , the U.S. allowed it. Israel introduced WMD first, with nuclear weapons and got that information from the U.S.

[Cleita]

40. Netanyahu is another problem.

I know not all Israelis support him and see him as a cause of the problems they have in the region, not the solution. However, too many American Jews with Israeli ties or dual citizenship view him as a strong and protective father without seeing what an evil man he really is.

I pretty much agree with your other points. I still have to agree with some experts on civil wars that a cease fire and disarmament of both sides has to be achieved before a peace is hammered out. No it's not our or the UNs place to get rid of Assad or overthrow the Syrian government. It's the Syrian people who must decide that once peace and hopefully reforms and security are in place.

However, continuing to weaponize both factions will not achieve that and there is talk about whom we want to take over once there is regime change. Have we not learned our lessons from Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Egypt? Apparently not.

[ellenrr]

48. +1

[nashville_brook]

2. no chance "arming al Qaeda" is going to come back to bite us.

good thing, that.

[avaistheone1]

26. What could possibly go wrong?

[truedelphi]

3. What a way to commemorate Nine Eleven.

US offers military aid to Al Queda.

[Jesus Malverde]

7. +infinity

[DeSwiss]

9. No point in having a MIC.....

...if you ain't got no enemies.

- And those enemies have to be armed, right? I mean, I know Assad will give up his weapons just cause somebody asked for 'em. But everyone's not like that.....


''Auto-palming''

[Celefin]

29. +infinity

[ehcross]

4. Report: CIA Begins Delivering Weapons to Rebels in Syria - U.S. Officials, Syrian Figures

I would definitely support the U.S. answering the call to come to the rescue of people who have been attacked by savages armed with lethal chemical weapons in Syria. I believe there should be demostrations by people around the world in protest by huge crowds

[PSPS]

15. "there should be"

I believe there should be demonstrations by people around the world in protest by huge crowds

Well, there's a reason there isn't. But, hey! Don't let that stop you. I presume your next post will be from Syria after you join in the fight, right?

The fact is that Syria is Russia's client state, not really any different from Israel being ours. Only pressure from Russia will rein in Assad. And that, indeed, seems to be what's happening. After all, according to Putin, Russia and the US are "partners."

[warrant46]

35. Huge crowds braying like mules for death

Hey we could have this on the news every night

</sarcasm>

[TheProgressive]

5. What if some country began arming the South durning our civil war....

Just who the fuck are we to intervene in someone else's civil war?

[Alamuti Lotus]

12. Britain and France ("our oldest allies") did... and the Russians were on the Union's side

Those were crazy times, indeed.

[alp227]

6. Can anyone say IRAN CONTRA?

Gee, arming foreign governments, if you lived through the '80s you may be familiar with that. CHANGE??

[MisterP]

14. $1.5M in cocaine in one Honduran shipment alone!

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/

[Autumn]

8. Well, Happy 9 11

[uppityperson]

10. Would you please change the thread title to match the title of the linked article?

Both your links go to the same place with "U.S. weapons reaching Syrian rebels" as the title. Please edit the thread title to that to conform with LBN rules. Thank you.

[DeSwiss]

11. I believe we've seen.....

...this movie before.

- In fact it's the longest running movie in US history since it's still going on now.

K&R

Going long on war:

[Sand Wind]

13. I won't say that this help will not change anything, but frankly, it's nothing compared

To what the Saoudians are now providing to the FSA, you can see the effect of it now in Daraa. A lot of real news about fighting in Syria never really reach the American public. The Atman military base was taken two days ago by the FSA, this is cutting the road between Damascus and one of his major road of communication and provisioning. The same happen in the north, the FSA is really close to cut the link between Aleppo and Damascus. And this chemical massacre happen because the rebel in the Damascus suburbs are really closer and closer from the center of power.

With this help, the US State Department is simply trying to see with who they will be able to work with in futur.

[delrem]

16. Who makes the weapons that al Qaeda in Syria uses?

That's a serious question.

Aside from that, the CIA has been orchestrating this "civil war" from day 1, and there's no difference between weapons supplied directly by the CIA or by Saudi Arabia, or Qatar. There's no difference between troops trained and supplied by the CIA and troops sent to the CIA training camps by Saudi Arabian goofs, or troops sent directly to the front via Turkey by the same goofs -- via a plethora of mercenary vulture corporations that've proliferated like fucking Triffids after the US's advances.

The denial at DU is fricken unreal.

[Sand Wind]

17. The new stuff, the real big and good one's are build in China, the other are Russians

Stuff that what you call Al Qaida buy mostly from the Assad Army...right...the Assad Army...strange...

[delrem]

19. Funny thing is, I don't believe a word a pro propagandist like you says.

Call it instinct.

[Sand Wind]

20. Well, I will invite you to make a little research on this, and you will find what I'm saying to you.

Most of the little material come from Assad Army smuggler...

[delrem]

21. I'm not jumping to your command, war propagandist.

After all, you do it for money.

[Sand Wind]

23. Some say you are paid to post here, who give you your check ?

[delrem]

24. I'm not blitzing DU with war-propaganda, SW. You are. So I say so.

I doubt you're doing it for free. Your war-propaganda has the nature of a feed that you're assigned to post from, which you post here and there under this name or that.

Just sayin'

[Sand Wind]

25. No you are just a stalker who don't want other source than yours, just like Putin...

[tofuandbeer]

28. Okay....that was a strange dialog you 2 just had. :/

[arewenotdemo]

18. Makes total sense to me.

There is no difference. We are, after all, allies with Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

The U.S. Combat Air Operations Center for the Middle East is located at Al Udeid Air Base, south of the Qatari capital, Doha.

Those nations have supplied most of the weapons and ammunition in order to keep Obama's prints off the carnage, which has now reached over 110,000 dead, according to the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

[JoeyT]

22. So it turns out we don't actually care about war crimes.

Since we're arming people that commit them. That popping sound was our moral high ground further evaporating.

When both sides are committing war crimes, we should probably avoid backing either of them.

[agent46]

27. I'm telling you

All this conciliatory diplomatic back peddling isn't the end of it. In fact, this is just the beginning and the end-game remains PNAC style regime change in Syria. It'll happen when we're not looking - well, most of us anyway.

Kissinger is PNAC.

Remember TIA? Total Information Awareness. In 2003 it got publicly shit-canned under pressure from congress and the American people, but guess what. We got it anyway - on steroids.

This is no different.

[Celefin]

30. Kerry is doublechecking their strategy with Kissinger after all

Threatening a sovereign country with the use of force (breach of international law) to make it disarm while supplying insurgents in that country with weapons and training (breach of international law and an act of war) on the basis of moral outrage and 'international norms' that are applied in an extremely selective manner. All the while claiming a chance diplomatic victory in pursuing 'peace'. But Putin is the evildoer in this scenario because he legally supplies his ally with weapons.



You couldn't make this shit up.

(Yeah I love that perfect democrat Putin with all my heart, just so that's settled)

[florida08]

42. lol

That was great.

[arewenotdemo]

43. THANK YOU for pointing this out, Celefin.

Obama has been in continuous violation of international law for several years now, with regard to Libya and Syria.

The American people have been conditioned to accept this criminality as not only their nation's right, but its responsibility and duty.

[Celefin]

47. You're welcome.

And yes, it appears to be the new normal.
In my opinion, every generation uses the year they became 'politically aware' ,for want of a better description, as their baseline on which to judge developments and behavior. If that baseline keeps moving towards crazy territory it follows that the new normal is doing so as well and goes un-protested by the majority.

Thanks for your reply

[Nihil]

31. Happy 9/11 America!

The fuckwits in charge of your country aren't even pretending to act for anybody
other than the Military Industrial Complex, the fossil fuel industry and the various
groups of "Mercenaries R Us" (including those wearing your flag on their sleeve).

Another stunning step forward in the day to day life of the Reagan Empire.

[Brigid]

32. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Thus has it ever been, and thus shall it ever be in the ME.

[florida08]

33. yep

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines

[polly7]

34. Hasn't this been happening for a while though?

1) As protests spread through the Arab world in 2011, the mostly leftist groups who organized the Arab Spring protests in Syria formed the NCB to coordinate peaceful protests and resistance to government repression. They agreed, and they still agree, on three basic principles: non-violence; non-sectarianism; and no foreign military intervention. But the U.S. and its allies marginalized the NCB, formed an unrepresentative "Syrian National Council" in Turkey as a government-in-exile and recruited, armed and trained violent armed groups to pursue regime change in Syria.

2) The United States, the United Kingdom, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar began flying in fighters, weapons and equipment to turn the Syrian Spring into a bloody civil war. Once they had overthrown the government of Libya, at the cost of 25,000 to 50,000 lives, they began adapting the same strategy to Syria, despite knowing full well that this would be a much more drawn-out, destructive and bloody war.

3) Even as a Qatari-funded YouGov poll in December 2011 found that 55% of Syrians still supported their government, unmarked NATO planes were flying fighters and weapons from Libya to the "Free Syrian Army" base at Iskanderum in Turkey. British and French special forces were training FSA recruits, while the CIA and US special forces provided communications equipment and intelligence, as in Libya. Retired CIA officer Philip Giraldi concluded, "Syrian government claims that it is being assaulted by rebels who are armed, trained and financed by foreign governments are more true than false."

http://www.alternet.org/world/america-has-fueled-bloody-civil-war-syria



Syrian rebels get first new heavy weapons after Obama announces U.S. to send military support

Richard Spencer, The Telegraph | 13/06/19 | Last Updated: 13/06/19 6:55 PM ET

The first new heavy weapons have arrived on Syria’s front lines following President Barack Obama’s decision to put Western military might behind the official opposition, rebels have told The Daily Telegraph.

Rebel sources said Russian-made “Konkurs” anti-tank missiles had been supplied by America’s key Gulf ally, Saudi Arabia. They have already been used to destructive effect and may have held up a promised regime assault on Aleppo.

A handful of the missiles were already in use and in high demand after opposition forces looted them from captured regime bases.

More have now arrived, confirming reports that the White House has lifted an unofficial embargo on its Gulf allies sending heavy weapons to the rebels.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/19/syrian-rebels-get-first-new-heavy-weapons-after-obama-announces-u-s-to-send-military-support/

[arewenotdemo]

44. Obama actually thinks it's funny.

In fact, Obama admitted in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg for the Atlantic in March 2012 that his entire assault on Syria is itself part of a broader strategy to isolate Iran by destroying its strongest Arab ally. When asked what more the U.S. could do to topple Assad, Obama laughed and said, "Well, nothing that I can tell you, because your classified clearance isn't good enough."

[wildbilln864]

37. k & r! n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

38. What does international law say about trying to overthrow governments?

I don't know. But it seems to me it would be an act of war.

What would the US response be if some other country were supplying insurgents here?

[Nihil]

45. "What would the US response be if some other country were supplying insurgents here?"

Indignant hypocritical xenophobia driving random hate-crimes, panic and colour-coded threat levels.

Oh, that was a rhetorical question? Sorry ...

[quadrature]

46. what does 'can be tracked' mean?

please be as specific as you can be.

tracked means, not tracked like
Fast and Furious,
or something else?

[cqo_000]

49. I think it means they are using transponders

The Turkish government has had oversight over much of the program, down to affixing transponders to trucks ferrying the military goods through Turkey so it might monitor shipments as they move by land into Syria, officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/world/middleeast/arms-airlift-to-syrian-rebels-expands-with-cia-aid.html?pagewanted=1&hp&_r=0