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Tripper11

(4,338 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:11 AM Sep 2013

Shots fired inside D.C. naval facility

Source: CNN

(CNN) -- Shots were fired Monday morning inside the Washington Navy Yard, the U.S. Navy tweeted.

The incident occurred at 8:20 a.m.

Three shots were fired at the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters, in southeast Washington, D.C., the tweet said


obviously more to come.....

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/dc-navy-yard-gunshots/index.html

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Shots fired inside D.C. naval facility (Original Post) Tripper11 Sep 2013 OP
According to CNN...several people wounded. maddezmom Sep 2013 #1
MSNBC saying 7 injured including metro police officer maddezmom Sep 2013 #2
At least four dead, ten wounded, shooter is neutralized, suppposedly. nt MADem Sep 2013 #17
UPDATE @ 2:30 Eastern, 12 Dead, 11 + Shooter. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #68
Shooting is at Naval Sea Systems Command HQ, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #3
The Navy tweets? NV Whino Sep 2013 #4
yep ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #59
Redundantly! Both Civil Affairs and Public Information tweet Recursion Sep 2013 #71
Reports are he maybe injured, not sure if civilian or military employee maddezmom Sep 2013 #5
AT LEAST 10 PEOPLE NOW REPORTED SHOT AT THE NAVY YARD Bosonic Sep 2013 #6
Msnbc now saying 4 killed, 8 wounded and killer is down maddezmom Sep 2013 #7
Sounds like another story of someone who didn't take getting being fired very well rocktivity Sep 2013 #8
Little early to be speculating, isn't it? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #16
This is a military facility rocktivity Sep 2013 #22
Fort Hood wasn't a employment-related dispute. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #25
Sure it was--a military member, a psychiatrist, decided he didn't want to be "employed" by the Army MADem Sep 2013 #108
Latest reports are two shooters. Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #40
Probably not...multiple shooters Marrah_G Sep 2013 #55
Msnbc reporter on the scene say there may be as many as 2 other shooters according to police maddezmom Sep 2013 #9
Local reports: Raine1967 Sep 2013 #10
Gun sniffing teabaggers, I bet. AngryAmish Sep 2013 #11
out of curiosity, codemoguy Sep 2013 #14
It always is. AngryAmish Sep 2013 #20
Really? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #26
like the DC snipers.. codemoguy Sep 2013 #34
Guns were used in the attempted Times Square bombing? nt onehandle Sep 2013 #52
fair point...no guns there.... codemoguy Sep 2013 #53
why do mass killings make gun humpers come out of the woodwork? Skittles Sep 2013 #127
No it's not. Do you really believe that? devils chaplain Sep 2013 #57
Of course he or she does not really believe it, but says it for political reasons. Pterodactyl Sep 2013 #123
Well hell, as long as we're guessing, I call El Shabaab Recursion Sep 2013 #23
Not likely. This is the Navy Yard. Raine1967 Sep 2013 #27
The Navy Yard is a command facility. Maedhros Sep 2013 #77
No it is not. It is an office complex hack89 Sep 2013 #90
It's the Navy Sea Systems Command Headquarters, which would seem to fit the description Maedhros Sep 2013 #92
They are a hardware and systems acquisition organization hack89 Sep 2013 #102
Here's what I found RE: security at the site Maedhros Sep 2013 #103
The shooter had a badge to get inside the building. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #104
Undoubtedly. Maedhros Sep 2013 #106
And he had a good ole' carry permit from good ole' Texas. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #110
Or he wanted to carry concealed. Who knows. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #111
Apparently he wanted to kill a bunch of people (13 so far) Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #112
You dance very well. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #113
Why thank you, my dear! Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #116
Which has squat to do with this incident rl6214 Sep 2013 #128
Has a lot to do with Texas and how easy it is for nutjobs to get and keep carry permits Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #134
He's from NY rl6214 Sep 2013 #137
He had a permit from Texas Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #139
Boy you just keep asking shit up rl6214 Sep 2013 #140
And what agenda would that be exactly? Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #141
Concealed carry and AR-15s have nothing to do with this event rl6214 Sep 2013 #142
Not always directly, but their culture arms mass shooters. onehandle Sep 2013 #31
like the Aurora theater shooting? codemoguy Sep 2013 #50
... onehandle Sep 2013 #54
Your bigotry is noted (nt) TupperHappy Sep 2013 #56
You want to be on record as calling an attack on teabaggers 'bigotry'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #66
I don't know if it's bigotry but in this case the suggestion that it was a teabagger totodeinhere Sep 2013 #118
The AR-15 seems to be the go-to fashion accessory for RW fools Maedhros Sep 2013 #78
Taken from the guard rl6214 Sep 2013 #129
I was mostly referring to the fools who parade around public places with AR-15s Maedhros Sep 2013 #130
I agree with you thre rl6214 Sep 2013 #133
Or Oathkeepers. Gonna bring the evil, tyrannical gubermint down! Who needs an AR-15 there? freshwest Sep 2013 #96
My cousins husband works there in routing...... Historic NY Sep 2013 #12
Used to work at WNY swilton Sep 2013 #32
I heard per MSNBC gopiscrap Sep 2013 #13
Local news, shooter on the loose, description. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author maryellen99 Sep 2013 #33
Jesus... I used to work there Recursion Sep 2013 #18
UPDATE: THree shooters, per DC police brooklynite Sep 2013 #19
Police - more shots fired in Navy Yard brooklynite Sep 2013 #21
Msnbc, reports of shots fired at a 2nd building...tactical team entering the building now maddezmom Sep 2013 #28
Live streaam WJLA OmahaBlueDog Sep 2013 #24
thanks!..nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #42
WJLA now saying 8 dead - citing two sources in law enforcement OmahaBlueDog Sep 2013 #29
Eyewitness accounts from local tv. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #30
why??? heaven05 Sep 2013 #35
With two shooters, (both reported dead) it may be more than just a grievance. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #36
Just heaven05 Sep 2013 #45
moot heaven05 Sep 2013 #114
self delete: Local reports have been debunked by local media eom Raine1967 Sep 2013 #37
Oh no maddezmom Sep 2013 #39
Thankfully local reports are now pulling this back. I'm going to delete my post. Raine1967 Sep 2013 #44
Navy spokesman: 2 suspects 'down' after deadly shooting at Naval Yard maddezmom Sep 2013 #38
Phone # for family members' info: 202-433-6151 or 202-433-9713 Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #41
Police presser happening in about 10 minutes Recursion Sep 2013 #43
This is such a mess. :( Raine1967 Sep 2013 #46
I feel like WAMU just has a recording of Patrick Madden saying "umm... a few more minutes" Recursion Sep 2013 #48
Listening to WTOP, following local DC news on twitter. Raine1967 Sep 2013 #51
My son is scheduled to be there next week Marrah_G Sep 2013 #47
NPR's "Here and Now" has live coverage right now alp227 Sep 2013 #49
Per WAMU: 3 shooters, 1 in fatigues, all of Southeast west of the river on lockdown. Recursion Sep 2013 #58
ABC reporting dead gunman maybe a disruntled Navy personnel... brooklynite Sep 2013 #60
Are they firm on that? (nt) Recursion Sep 2013 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Raine1967 Sep 2013 #64
CBS and NBC have retracted the person's name. Raine1967 Sep 2013 #70
is it time for gun control yet? wordpix Sep 2013 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author warrior1 Sep 2013 #62
When will this madness end? And instead of trying to take steps to put the brakes on gun violence totodeinhere Sep 2013 #63
+1000 OrwellwasRight Sep 2013 #73
You might want to let the facts come out on this one before jumping to conclusions. Socal31 Sep 2013 #115
This type of incident brings attention to the gun control issue merely because totodeinhere Sep 2013 #117
"USA Today reports at least some of the weapons used in the assault were purchased by Aaron Alexis totodeinhere Sep 2013 #120
Or yours is....... Socal31 Sep 2013 #121
According to this report he purchased the shotgun and obtained the assault rifle from a gun totodeinhere Sep 2013 #122
Now there wasn't even a rifle involved. Socal31 Sep 2013 #135
I agree with your comment about the media. It is hard to draw worthwhile totodeinhere Sep 2013 #136
Washington Post: Death toll "at least 7" Recursion Sep 2013 #65
Just saw that. 7 and three shooters. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #67
in uniform Recursion Sep 2013 #69
Odd enough when one person loses it. 100 X odder that two or three do. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #72
The extra two are persons of interest only. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #84
Oathkeepers? Up or Outers? haele Sep 2013 #79
If there are, in fact, 3 shooters, then I am going to assume teabaggers/oathbreakers until proven kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #86
If there are in fact three shooters, that would AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #89
Riiiiight....just like Boston was telclaven Sep 2013 #91
Analogy to Boston would be 'dude on the roof'. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #93
And let us not forget Ft Hood either telclaven Sep 2013 #94
A good point. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #95
Actually, considering history, it's far more likely to be domestic RW terrorism by kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #99
Me thinks you look with blinders telclaven Sep 2013 #100
RW terrorism goes on every day in the US. It's so common we are blinded to it. Just because it kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #101
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #131
Domestic Terrorism happens all the time. The guy who flew his plane into an IRS office - haele Sep 2013 #105
So, are you retracting that now? Pterodactyl Sep 2013 #124
What part of "if......then" are you having trouble with? kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #125
So your statement is inoperative, because there were not three. Pterodactyl Sep 2013 #126
Just got a text message - three people in a code we work with often were shot. haele Sep 2013 #97
So sorry to read this blaze Sep 2013 #109
Man, so sorry to hear this. Stunning when it hits so close to home. calimary Sep 2013 #138
seems to me- there was just one guy and other 'reports' are the officers? who shot the shooter. Sunlei Sep 2013 #74
this place is secure with only one (manned) entrance wordpix Sep 2013 #75
Nine dead including shooter: confirmed ehrnst Sep 2013 #80
one shooter dhol82 Sep 2013 #81
DC police 12 confirmed dead. BOLO for 2 other suspects maddezmom Sep 2013 #82
well if everyone else had guns, this wouldnt have happened...oh wait.... CarrieLynne Sep 2013 #83
Content free nonsense. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #85
lol okies, my bad - I assumed military base = guns everywhere lol CarrieLynne Sep 2013 #87
Gee, I wonder why that is???? tabasco Sep 2013 #107
We need ten times as many guns in the US as we have now. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #88
My feminism group at my college are writing all the NRA chapters in California Mellow Drama Sep 2013 #98
That should make them change KinMd Sep 2013 #119
& we need to keep giving people with mental problems & anger issues guns ---the perp wordpix Sep 2013 #132

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
1. According to CNN...several people wounded.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:18 AM
Sep 2013

Initial reports of 3 shots fired, gunman is still ion the building....

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
59. yep
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:42 PM
Sep 2013

.
.
.

https://twitter.com/USNavy


U.S. Navy ‏@USNavy 2m
MT @whlive:

Obama: Will do everything to make sure whoever carried out this cowardly act is held responsible #NavyYardShooting
Expand


U.S. Navy ‏@USNavy 4m
MT @whlive:

"These are men & women were going to work, doing their job, protecting all of us," President Obama on #NavyYardShooting
Expand
__________________________________________________________________________________________

updated often regarding the shootings at the moment.

CC

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
71. Redundantly! Both Civil Affairs and Public Information tweet
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:23 PM
Sep 2013

Ah, US Government IT: yesterday's solutions tomorrow!

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
22. This is a military facility
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:57 AM
Sep 2013

How likely is it that armed non-employees would be able to waltz in and start shooting people?

I may be wrong, but speculation or not, the odds ARE in my favor.


rocktivity

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
25. Fort Hood wasn't a employment-related dispute.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:00 AM
Sep 2013

The military tends to view weapons carried on the person on base as an extreme risk to government property. (Including the person carrying the firearm) It is tightly controlled. Meaning there are few people able to shoot back, if something goes wrong.

An armed employee (Even unauthorized to be armed) doesn't necessarily imply an employment dispute in this context.

Motives will hopefully be forthcoming.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
108. Sure it was--a military member, a psychiatrist, decided he didn't want to be "employed" by the Army
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:55 PM
Sep 2013

anymore, as they deployed to Afghanistan to "kill Muslims" as he erroneously understood the mission, so he shot 'em up to prevent the deployment. "I ain't goin' and Im'a takin' you with me!!"

This guy was employed at the Yard. He was a contractor of some sort. He probably didn't normally carry a weapon in the performance of his duties, though. I think he may have been disgruntled, maybe suspended, maybe even terminated.....but we'll find out eventually.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
9. Msnbc reporter on the scene say there may be as many as 2 other shooters according to police
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:15 AM
Sep 2013

in her location. But these are unconfirmed by msnbc studio sources within law enforcement.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
10. Local reports:
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:28 AM
Sep 2013

Possible:

10 people shot.

4 Fatalities

Shooter has been contained. Local reports say shooter has/had an AR-15 military style weapon.

At least two rescues have been made by National Park Service helicopters.


*** As I speak another helicopter os landing with a person in the basket that appears to have a weapon in his hand. (That is from a Live WTOP radio report)

devils chaplain

(602 posts)
57. No it's not. Do you really believe that?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:34 PM
Sep 2013

I have a feeling it is Syria inspired somehow given the timing and location, but there are many groups of angry people around.

Pterodactyl

(1,687 posts)
123. Of course he or she does not really believe it, but says it for political reasons.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:49 PM
Sep 2013

Doublethink is what it is called.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
27. Not likely. This is the Navy Yard.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:05 AM
Sep 2013

The building the first shooting happened doesn't even allow cell phones.

This is a bigger deal than baggers, I believe.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
77. The Navy Yard is a command facility.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:56 PM
Sep 2013

Security has got to be incredibly tight there. How would AR-15 toting gunmen in military garb make it past security checkpoints?

This is either a major security SNAFU on the part of the Navy or something very, very strange.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
92. It's the Navy Sea Systems Command Headquarters, which would seem to fit the description
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:42 PM
Sep 2013

of a "command facility." I understand you - it's not a combat command center.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
102. They are a hardware and systems acquisition organization
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:55 PM
Sep 2013

it is staffed with civilians that help define, procure, install and maintain navy systems like radars, radios, etc.

As you walk around you would see very few uniforms - just a bunch of engineers, lawyers and contract administrators. It is not a high security area that need tight security.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
103. Here's what I found RE: security at the site
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:06 PM
Sep 2013

From here: http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/2820093

It has an annual budget of almost $30 billion, and the command makes about 25% of the Navy's entire budget. The command has a total workforce of 50,000 civilian, military and contract support personnel. The command engineers, builds, buys and maintains the Navy's ships and submarines and their combat systems, according to the Navy. It has facilities around the world.

The building where the shooting took place is a high-security facility because of the sensitivity of the information handled by the command. It is inside the Navy Yard, itself a military installation that would not allow public access.

Most military bases require a sticker to get through the gates. Often base commanders will heighten security by requiring identification checks.

Visitors who don't work there would usually need to be cleared in advance and at some bases they might have their vehicle searched.

The Sea Systems Command headquarters has another layer of security, which requires an additional badge and has turnstiles similar to the Pentagon. The command works with sensitive documents, including equipment test results.


 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
106. Undoubtedly.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:33 PM
Sep 2013

It's still surprising he was able to bring a rifle into the workplace.

I work in a secured civilian site and there is no way I could do the same.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
112. Apparently he wanted to kill a bunch of people (13 so far)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:07 PM
Sep 2013

And Texas issued him a CC permit. Now, why on earth would they want to assess the mental state of anyone applying for a carry permit? Of course, this tragedy had nothing to do with the insanity of carrying guns around other humans.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
134. Has a lot to do with Texas and how easy it is for nutjobs to get and keep carry permits
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:49 AM
Sep 2013

Has a lot to do with the proliferation of concealed carry and the disintegration of a civil society.
Has a lot to do with idiots promoting AR-15s as acceptable consumer items.
Has a lot to do with boys and their toys.
Has a lot to do with a failed society.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
137. He's from NY
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sep 2013

And newest reports say there was NO AR 15 involved in this event and he was not concealed carrying.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
139. He had a permit from Texas
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 03:39 PM
Sep 2013

where apparently, shooting through your apartment floor in a rage, plus being psychotic is no reason to revoke a CC permit. So no AR-15 this time. Imagine what he could've done with one.
The fact that he wasn't carrying concealed on this occasion is irrelevant, but you can keep apologizing for him if you like.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
140. Boy you just keep asking shit up
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 04:11 AM
Sep 2013

His permit in Texas had absolutely nothing to do with this.

"So no AR-15 this time"

Aww w, don't be so disappointed.

And the fact that he wasn't carring concealed is completely relevant but you just keep on making shit up to fit your agenda.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
141. And what agenda would that be exactly?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:14 AM
Sep 2013

You think pointing out the lunacy of carrying guns around is some kind of agenda?
You think pointing out the lunacy of using AR-15s for self-defense (lol) is some kind of agenda?
If trying to help people like you see more clearly, then I guess I do have an agenda, but that is about it.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
142. Concealed carry and AR-15s have nothing to do with this event
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:31 PM
Sep 2013

But you just keep pushing it. You just keep telling yourself you don't have an agenda if it makes you feel better.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
31. Not always directly, but their culture arms mass shooters.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:26 AM
Sep 2013

You can trace all gun crime back to the NRA and the gun humpers who fondle themselves to their siren song.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,308 posts)
66. You want to be on record as calling an attack on teabaggers 'bigotry'?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:17 PM
Sep 2013

Have you actually understood what DU is about? We don't like teabaggers. We're Democrats.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
118. I don't know if it's bigotry but in this case the suggestion that it was a teabagger
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:56 PM
Sep 2013

is probably wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever that the alleged gunman had anything to do with the Tea Party.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
130. I was mostly referring to the fools who parade around public places with AR-15s
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 03:32 AM
Sep 2013

as some kind of protest against...something. Happened here in Gresham OR last year.

Rifles are tools, not fashion accessories. You take one out of the tool box when you need to use it, not to show it off.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
96. Or Oathkeepers. Gonna bring the evil, tyrannical gubermint down! Who needs an AR-15 there?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:52 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Murdering thugs drape themselves with the flag and say they're patriots.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
12. My cousins husband works there in routing......
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:31 AM
Sep 2013

its a pretty compact facility. I see they are using Park Police choppers to evact victims.

The area outside is pretty busy with lots of new business' , shop etc.


 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
32. Used to work at WNY
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:27 AM
Sep 2013

and attend classes there during the 70's and 80's.

CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) has an office at the yard and apparently he was evacuated by helicopter.

Two law enforcement sources confirm (11:27 a.m.) that shooter is dead.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
15. Local news, shooter on the loose, description.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:40 AM
Sep 2013

Black male, 6 feet tall, bald, wearing black, has a rifle.

11th Street bridge is closed, planes grounded at Reagan National.

Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #15)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. Jesus... I used to work there
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:42 AM
Sep 2013

And the cops in that ward would hang out at my Legion post. This is awful.

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
19. UPDATE: THree shooters, per DC police
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:43 AM
Sep 2013

Police say three shooters, including at least one in fatigues, have shot at least 10 people at the Washington Navy Yard.

Police said at least one of the shooters is “down,” but it was unclear whether that means the suspect has been arrested or shot. Two remain at large, and police believe they have pinned down one between the third and fourth floors of one of the buildings on the installation in Southeast Washington.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
24. Live streaam WJLA
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:58 AM
Sep 2013
http://www.wjla.com/live/

10 confirmed shot
4 confirmed dead
1 DC police & 1 base officer in hospital

Washington Hospital Presser in near future

2 people are being detained - no word on how they are involved

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
29. WJLA now saying 8 dead - citing two sources in law enforcement
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:22 AM
Sep 2013

Police presser supposed to be upcoming shortly

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
45. Just
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:04 PM
Sep 2013

one shooter so far as reported MSNBC. Who the hell knows. Still too early. Some are saying shooter is black male, some are saying male dressed all in black. Who knows, us out here in public land? No matter, still nuts with guns.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
44. Thankfully local reports are now pulling this back. I'm going to delete my post.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:03 PM
Sep 2013

In the interest of trying to not further make this bad bad situation worse.

Hubby works a mile away from all of this. He's safe, thankfully -- but it is physically VERY close to home.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
41. Phone # for family members' info: 202-433-6151 or 202-433-9713
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:54 AM
Sep 2013

U.S. Navy ‏@USNavy 7m
Family members looking for information about their loved ones can call 202-433-6151 or 202-433-9713. #NavyYardShooting

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
46. This is such a mess. :(
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:05 PM
Sep 2013

I hope we get some more information -- the presser keeps getting kicked back.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
48. I feel like WAMU just has a recording of Patrick Madden saying "umm... a few more minutes"
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:07 PM
Sep 2013

Kojo is apparently cancelling or pushing back his first hour to cover this, though.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
51. Listening to WTOP, following local DC news on twitter.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:11 PM
Sep 2013

latest report is that Cathy Lanier is going to give the presser.

ETA: This presser is headed by Mayor Gray.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
47. My son is scheduled to be there next week
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:06 PM
Sep 2013

I about had a heart attack this morning until I realized he won't be there until next monday............ still trying to reach him to make sure.

Waiting to hear back from my brother... ugh. I'm sure he is fine.

alp227

(32,018 posts)
49. NPR's "Here and Now" has live coverage right now
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:09 PM
Sep 2013

I'd rather listen to that show than CNN/MSNBC/commercial media...listen live on WBUR.org or WBUR on the TuneIn app. They've got their facts straight rather than speculation.

Response to Recursion (Reply #61)

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
76. is it time for gun control yet?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:43 PM
Sep 2013
My guess is the Navy Yard is not close enough to the US Capitol or Congressional office bldgs for the repuke obstructionists to pass gun control measures. They will continue to listen to their puppetmasters in the gun lobby and NRA (one and the same).

Response to Tripper11 (Original post)

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
63. When will this madness end? And instead of trying to take steps to put the brakes on gun violence
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:02 PM
Sep 2013

we are recalling state legislators who attempt to pass modest and reasonable gun control measures. There is something very wrong with this picture.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
115. You might want to let the facts come out on this one before jumping to conclusions.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:31 PM
Sep 2013

There are all sorts of accounts that the weapons used were taken from an officer.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
117. This type of incident brings attention to the gun control issue merely because
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:52 PM
Sep 2013

a gun was used to commit senseless violence. If it turns out that that is how he was able to arm himself in this case it doesn't change the urgent need for gun control.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
120. "USA Today reports at least some of the weapons used in the assault were purchased by Aaron Alexis
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:20 PM
Sep 2013

in Virginia over the last few days."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/navy-yard-shooting/2819543/?csp=breakingnews

It looks like the information you had was faulty.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
121. Or yours is.......
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:24 PM
Sep 2013

A shotgun was purchased, but it is now actually being put in print that the pistol and rifle were from at least one victim:


http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Confirmed-Shooter-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html

"When it was over, Alexis lay dead amid an armload of weapons. Sources told News4 that surveillance footage showed that he began his attack with a shotgun, but was found with a 9mm pistol and an AR-15 assault rifle

Alexis appears to have seized firearms from two of his victims as he moved through the building along the Anacostia River in southeast Washington, where 3,000 Navy employees go to work each day, many of them carrying authorized firearms."



totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
122. According to this report he purchased the shotgun and obtained the assault rifle from a gun
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:09 PM
Sep 2013

safe at the naval base.

He packed an assault rifle and two other firearms during his lethal rampage — including a shotgun purchased just weeks ago at a Virginia gun shop, multiple law enforcement officials told NBC News.

The officials also said Alexis obtained the assault rifle used in the shooting from a gun safe on the naval base. There’s where he may have also obtained a handgun, according to authorities.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/16/20522196-at-least-12-killed-in-shooting-rampage-at-washington-navy-yard-chief-says?lite

So I think it's pretty clear that at least some of the weapons he used were not taken off from other people. If Virgina had had stricter gun control laws perhaps perhaps he might have been prevented from buying that shotgun.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
136. I agree with your comment about the media. It is hard to draw worthwhile
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:39 AM
Sep 2013

conclusions about what what happened when we are dealing with faulty information.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
65. Washington Post: Death toll "at least 7"
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html

“The big concern for us right now is that we have potentially two other shooters that we have not located at this point,” Lanier said.

Lanier described one as a white male wearing what appeared to be a khaki tan military uniform and a beret, and carrying a handgun. She said police also are looking for a black man, about 50, wearing an olive military-style uniform, and possessing a “long gun.”

...

Authorities have confirmed at least seven fatalities, including the shooter. The dead shooter had an assault rifle and a handgun, two law enforcement officials said. One said he also had a shotgun.

At least two police officers were among those shot. Police on the scene said one is a D.C. Metropolitan Police officer who was shot twice in the leg and was evacuated to a hospital. Lanier said he was in stable condition after engaging the shooter with gunfire. The other was a base officer. The D.C. officer, a male, was conscious at MedStar Washington Hospital Center and his chances for survival were good, hospital officials said.


AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
84. The extra two are persons of interest only.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:17 PM
Sep 2013

Could have been armed first responders too. That sort of shit happens every time.

Remember the guy in Camo at Sandy Hook? Wasn't the shooter, wasn't even a shooter at all. Happens every time with the media feeding frenzy

haele

(12,647 posts)
79. Oathkeepers? Up or Outers?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:07 PM
Sep 2013

Sorry for the speculation, but NAVSEA, the major tenant at the Navy Yard, is not a major player for operations - acquisition, perhaps, but not operations or deployments, and as a military target for political statement, pretty lame. In Ft. Hood, the shooter targeted those who were potentially going to be deployed to fight against what he considered fellow Islamists. This is not the situation here.

However, people assigned to NAVSEA who might be fringe people (Teahadists, Oathkeepers) may take the position that any attack against any facility may be warranted for whatever "Patriot Cause" they think they're going to give their lives for.
Or if the shooter(s) is/are military, it could be a (or couple) of enlisted who were facing losing their careers and livelihoods due to "Up or Out", or through draw-down, and couldn't face the private sector without a job or future because their specialties and skills were not compatible with the civilian world and they couldn't face starting over at Home Depot or Best Buy as a cashier or floor manager.

Just speculation. And sadness - I could have lost a co-worker this morning and not-known it yet.

Haele

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
86. If there are, in fact, 3 shooters, then I am going to assume teabaggers/oathbreakers until proven
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:19 PM
Sep 2013

otherwise. I refuse to dignify those traitors by calling them "oathkeepers".

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
89. If there are in fact three shooters, that would
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:26 PM
Sep 2013

make that assessment more likely. (albeit, not a sure thing)

I'm leaning more toward the phantom non-existent second shooters/suspects from other shootings we have seen in the past. Probably first responders, seen and descriptions reported to the police.

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
91. Riiiiight....just like Boston was
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:36 PM
Sep 2013

Howsabout we keep all speculation and shadenfreude silent until we know the facts?

Considering history, I'd say it's far more likely to be the work of US Muslims becoming radicalized and taking direct action.

Who's to day? Let's see what the facts on the ground are.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
93. Analogy to Boston would be 'dude on the roof'.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:43 PM
Sep 2013

Also, in case you weren't paying attention, that was a bombing, not a shooting. The survivors of the shooting are likely to know the difference whether the person who shot at them was black or white (Separate suspect descriptions), or there was more than one or not.

Harder to guess from a backpack sitting on the ground.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
95. A good point.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:46 PM
Sep 2013

I believe there were conflicting reports of multiple or lone shooters in that situation as well.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
99. Actually, considering history, it's far more likely to be domestic RW terrorism by
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:21 PM
Sep 2013

people who think murdering one's fellow Americans for a RW political cause is a good thing.

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
100. Me thinks you look with blinders
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:30 PM
Sep 2013

Just when was there a domestic RW terrorist attack? Last one I can think of was OK City.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
101. RW terrorism goes on every day in the US. It's so common we are blinded to it. Just because it
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:47 PM
Sep 2013

doesn't always involve mass murder doesn't mean it isn't happening.

But thanks for showing us all how quick you are to defend RW terrorists. Enjoy your stay.

BTW, aren't you supposed to be posting about that horrible muslim winning the Miss America pageant?

Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #101)

haele

(12,647 posts)
105. Domestic Terrorism happens all the time. The guy who flew his plane into an IRS office -
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:14 PM
Sep 2013

That was, what, 6/7 years ago? He killed an IRS manger.

Domestic Terrorism tends to be "low level" - usually threats and/or sabotage, and because it's usually a "local issue", one doesn't hear much about it. It's the difference between your angry, unemployed adult brother who burns down the garage you've turned into an apartment for him in a fit of drunken rage "by accident", and a burglary from "teen punks/gangstas" - whom your kid hangs out with at school and happened to talk about the nifty stuff - like guns and expensive recreational equipment - you collect, and when the family will be out of town to visit grandma for a couple of days.

While both are pretty much the same level of "by accident", you're not going to write a letter to the editor demanding the police do something about your stupid brother; but you will demand additional police enforcement due to the burglary even though you got hit because your kid was stupid enough to get involved with young punks who had nothing left to lose and nothing better to do.

Brother is Family. Punks are not.

Domestic Terrorists are angry, alienated Americans - the ones who join organizations that feed off that anger and alienation. Like militias, political "groups", racial or religious supremacy groups, etc - all with an authoritarian, militant bent so those alienated Americans could feel all strong, special and otherwise exceptional. They usually terrorize their families, their "customers" (if they're in service or retail) and their local governments by enforcing their collective organizational rules and restricting liberties and resources on those other categories of people who "don't belong".
So, while those groups aren't politically sexy/scary as an Islamic terrorist group, they do exist and they are very, very active in trying to push their agenda - especially on people who don't belong to their groups.

And occasionally, someone in an organization like that will decide s/he has had enough and go all-out Rambo, taking a couple - or a dozen or so - people with him or her on the trail to glory.
But since it's an American that did it (especially if it was a "good old boy next door" type) , too many people want to white-wash it as "s/he just went crazy" and claim that the organizations that actively promoted that destructive spree as being something noble and godly to do had absolutely nothing to do with the damage that crazy person did. It's all Milk and Honey in RW extremist land - as long as they get their way and can still blather their hyper-violent nonsense without any responsibility for their words.



BTW, the shooter has been identified as a contractor in his 30's from Texas. I suppose he could have been an Islamist, or he could have been a RW extremist, or a LW anti-war extremist - or it could be that he was angry and his pride was hurt because world wasn't working out the way it had been promised to him. But, he decided to make this a case of domestic terrorism, and 11 other people are dead, many more injured and probably a couple thousand traumatized.

I'm p.o.ed, and the office is shutting down because of the situation.

Haele

haele

(12,647 posts)
97. Just got a text message - three people in a code we work with often were shot.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:00 PM
Sep 2013

One hurt very badly, perhaps killed. Two women and one man.
They had offices at the floor the shooter spent most of his time with (4th floor), don't know if they were in place or if they were trying to get away.
They were just office workers. Not decision makers, or anything special. It's hit a couple people here in San Diego pretty hard.

Haele

calimary

(81,220 posts)
138. Man, so sorry to hear this. Stunning when it hits so close to home.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:57 PM
Sep 2013

So awful. So Damned AWFUL. I'm so sorry, haele. So fucking SENSELESS!!!!!!!!!

I'm with wordpix farther up-thread who posted the question - "is it time for gun control yet?"

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
75. this place is secure with only one (manned) entrance
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:39 PM
Sep 2013

You have to show your pass. So I'm thinking it's an inside job.

dhol82

(9,352 posts)
81. one shooter
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:09 PM
Sep 2013

the toll now is 16 shot and 8 dead according to msnbc.

guy had a stolen id badge from an employee.

they might be looking for a second shooter but think it might have just been somebody shooting back at the gunman.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
85. Content free nonsense.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:18 PM
Sep 2013

Only guards/MP's would be armed in this area. Most of these people are office worker types.

 

Mellow Drama

(47 posts)
98. My feminism group at my college are writing all the NRA chapters in California
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:16 PM
Sep 2013

We are letting them know that the blood of all these shooting are on THEIR hands.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
132. & we need to keep giving people with mental problems & anger issues guns ---the perp
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:21 AM
Sep 2013


had a history of these, plus "misdemeanors" with guns including shooting out 4 tires of people he didn't like and shooting into the ceiling of a neighbor who had complained about his noise. Father said he had anger managemt problems. But state of VA gives him a rifle, anyway, 3 days before Navy Yard shooting.

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