Shots fired inside D.C. naval facility
Source: CNN
(CNN) -- Shots were fired Monday morning inside the Washington Navy Yard, the U.S. Navy tweeted.
The incident occurred at 8:20 a.m.
Three shots were fired at the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters, in southeast Washington, D.C., the tweet said
obviously more to come.....
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/dc-navy-yard-gunshots/index.html
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Initial reports of 3 shots fired, gunman is still ion the building....
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)No fatalities reported so far.
MADem
(135,425 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-navy-yard-shooting-20130916,0,1484333.storyTwo more persons of interest are at large.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)where about 3,000 people work, according to WaPo local:
http://wapo.st/1bmHfOQ
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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https://twitter.com/USNavy
U.S. Navy @USNavy 2m
MT @whlive:
Obama: Will do everything to make sure whoever carried out this cowardly act is held responsible #NavyYardShooting
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U.S. Navy @USNavy 4m
MT @whlive:
"These are men & women were going to work, doing their job, protecting all of us," President Obama on #NavyYardShooting
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updated often regarding the shootings at the moment.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)Ah, US Government IT: yesterday's solutions tomorrow!
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Bosonic
(3,746 posts)BREAKING NEWS: AT LEAST 10 PEOPLE NOW REPORTED SHOT AT THE NAVY YARD. NBC
https://twitter.com/911BUFF/status/379605586306158592
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)rocktivity
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You might be right... but still.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)How likely is it that armed non-employees would be able to waltz in and start shooting people?
I may be wrong, but speculation or not, the odds ARE in my favor.
rocktivity
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The military tends to view weapons carried on the person on base as an extreme risk to government property. (Including the person carrying the firearm) It is tightly controlled. Meaning there are few people able to shoot back, if something goes wrong.
An armed employee (Even unauthorized to be armed) doesn't necessarily imply an employment dispute in this context.
Motives will hopefully be forthcoming.
MADem
(135,425 posts)anymore, as they deployed to Afghanistan to "kill Muslims" as he erroneously understood the mission, so he shot 'em up to prevent the deployment. "I ain't goin' and Im'a takin' you with me!!"
This guy was employed at the Yard. He was a contractor of some sort. He probably didn't normally carry a weapon in the performance of his duties, though. I think he may have been disgruntled, maybe suspended, maybe even terminated.....but we'll find out eventually.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)in her location. But these are unconfirmed by msnbc studio sources within law enforcement.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Possible:
10 people shot.
4 Fatalities
Shooter has been contained. Local reports say shooter has/had an AR-15 military style weapon.
At least two rescues have been made by National Park Service helicopters.
*** As I speak another helicopter os landing with a person in the basket that appears to have a weapon in his hand. (That is from a Live WTOP radio report)
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)codemoguy
(36 posts)what are you basing that guess on?
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)codemoguy
(36 posts)and the car bomb in Times Square...
onehandle
(51,122 posts)codemoguy
(36 posts)I was thinking more or (attempted) mass killings...sorry...
Skittles
(153,150 posts)devils chaplain
(602 posts)I have a feeling it is Syria inspired somehow given the timing and location, but there are many groups of angry people around.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)Doublethink is what it is called.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Bookmark and gloat if I'm wrong...
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)The building the first shooting happened doesn't even allow cell phones.
This is a bigger deal than baggers, I believe.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Security has got to be incredibly tight there. How would AR-15 toting gunmen in military garb make it past security checkpoints?
This is either a major security SNAFU on the part of the Navy or something very, very strange.
hack89
(39,171 posts)for various administrative commands.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)of a "command facility." I understand you - it's not a combat command center.
hack89
(39,171 posts)it is staffed with civilians that help define, procure, install and maintain navy systems like radars, radios, etc.
As you walk around you would see very few uniforms - just a bunch of engineers, lawyers and contract administrators. It is not a high security area that need tight security.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)From here: http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/2820093
The building where the shooting took place is a high-security facility because of the sensitivity of the information handled by the command. It is inside the Navy Yard, itself a military installation that would not allow public access.
Most military bases require a sticker to get through the gates. Often base commanders will heighten security by requiring identification checks.
Visitors who don't work there would usually need to be cleared in advance and at some bases they might have their vehicle searched.
The Sea Systems Command headquarters has another layer of security, which requires an additional badge and has turnstiles similar to the Pentagon. The command works with sensitive documents, including equipment test results.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)It's still surprising he was able to bring a rifle into the workplace.
I work in a secured civilian site and there is no way I could do the same.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Guess he had it for self defense.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)And Texas issued him a CC permit. Now, why on earth would they want to assess the mental state of anyone applying for a carry permit? Of course, this tragedy had nothing to do with the insanity of carrying guns around other humans.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)As I love to point out, the English invented rhythm.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Has a lot to do with the proliferation of concealed carry and the disintegration of a civil society.
Has a lot to do with idiots promoting AR-15s as acceptable consumer items.
Has a lot to do with boys and their toys.
Has a lot to do with a failed society.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)And newest reports say there was NO AR 15 involved in this event and he was not concealed carrying.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)where apparently, shooting through your apartment floor in a rage, plus being psychotic is no reason to revoke a CC permit. So no AR-15 this time. Imagine what he could've done with one.
The fact that he wasn't carrying concealed on this occasion is irrelevant, but you can keep apologizing for him if you like.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)His permit in Texas had absolutely nothing to do with this.
"So no AR-15 this time"
Aww w, don't be so disappointed.
And the fact that he wasn't carring concealed is completely relevant but you just keep on making shit up to fit your agenda.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)You think pointing out the lunacy of carrying guns around is some kind of agenda?
You think pointing out the lunacy of using AR-15s for self-defense (lol) is some kind of agenda?
If trying to help people like you see more clearly, then I guess I do have an agenda, but that is about it.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)But you just keep pushing it. You just keep telling yourself you don't have an agenda if it makes you feel better.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)You can trace all gun crime back to the NRA and the gun humpers who fondle themselves to their siren song.
codemoguy
(36 posts)your hatred is blurring your thoughts
TupperHappy
(166 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,308 posts)Have you actually understood what DU is about? We don't like teabaggers. We're Democrats.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)is probably wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever that the alleged gunman had anything to do with the Tea Party.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)http://www.wsmv.com/story/21084282/gun-advocates-rally-state-capitol
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32457652/ns/politics-white_house/t/man-assault-rifle-attends-obama-protest/
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/28/1931881/indiana-gun-ar15-protest/
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Wanna try again
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)as some kind of protest against...something. Happened here in Gresham OR last year.
Rifles are tools, not fashion accessories. You take one out of the tool box when you need to use it, not to show it off.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:43 PM - Edit history (1)
Murdering thugs drape themselves with the flag and say they're patriots.Historic NY
(37,449 posts)its a pretty compact facility. I see they are using Park Police choppers to evact victims.
The area outside is pretty busy with lots of new business' , shop etc.
swilton
(5,069 posts)and attend classes there during the 70's and 80's.
CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) has an office at the yard and apparently he was evacuated by helicopter.
Two law enforcement sources confirm (11:27 a.m.) that shooter is dead.
gopiscrap
(23,757 posts)4 dead 8 wounded
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Black male, 6 feet tall, bald, wearing black, has a rifle.
11th Street bridge is closed, planes grounded at Reagan National.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)And the cops in that ward would hang out at my Legion post. This is awful.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)Police say three shooters, including at least one in fatigues, have shot at least 10 people at the Washington Navy Yard.
Police said at least one of the shooters is down, but it was unclear whether that means the suspect has been arrested or shot. Two remain at large, and police believe they have pinned down one between the third and fourth floors of one of the buildings on the installation in Southeast Washington.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)10 confirmed shot
4 confirmed dead
1 DC police & 1 base officer in hospital
Washington Hospital Presser in near future
2 people are being detained - no word on how they are involved
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Police presser supposed to be upcoming shortly
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)guns and idiots with a grievance. Bad mix.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)n/t
heaven05
(18,124 posts)one shooter so far as reported MSNBC. Who the hell knows. Still too early. Some are saying shooter is black male, some are saying male dressed all in black. Who knows, us out here in public land? No matter, still nuts with guns.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Hopefully this is just a rumor.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)In the interest of trying to not further make this bad bad situation worse.
Hubby works a mile away from all of this. He's safe, thankfully -- but it is physically VERY close to home.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)U.S. Navy @USNavy 7m
Family members looking for information about their loved ones can call 202-433-6151 or 202-433-9713. #NavyYardShooting
Recursion
(56,582 posts)We should have something more firm then.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I hope we get some more information -- the presser keeps getting kicked back.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Kojo is apparently cancelling or pushing back his first hour to cover this, though.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)latest report is that Cathy Lanier is going to give the presser.
ETA: This presser is headed by Mayor Gray.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I about had a heart attack this morning until I realized he won't be there until next monday............ still trying to reach him to make sure.
Waiting to hear back from my brother... ugh. I'm sure he is fine.
alp227
(32,018 posts)I'd rather listen to that show than CNN/MSNBC/commercial media...listen live on WBUR.org or WBUR on the TuneIn app. They've got their facts straight rather than speculation.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Crazy.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)50 YO retired Chief Petty Officer
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Response to Recursion (Reply #61)
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Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I'm suspecting the rest is a retraction as well.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Response to Tripper11 (Original post)
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totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)we are recalling state legislators who attempt to pass modest and reasonable gun control measures. There is something very wrong with this picture.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)There are all sorts of accounts that the weapons used were taken from an officer.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)a gun was used to commit senseless violence. If it turns out that that is how he was able to arm himself in this case it doesn't change the urgent need for gun control.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)in Virginia over the last few days."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/navy-yard-shooting/2819543/?csp=breakingnews
It looks like the information you had was faulty.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)A shotgun was purchased, but it is now actually being put in print that the pistol and rifle were from at least one victim:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Confirmed-Shooter-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html
"When it was over, Alexis lay dead amid an armload of weapons. Sources told News4 that surveillance footage showed that he began his attack with a shotgun, but was found with a 9mm pistol and an AR-15 assault rifle
Alexis appears to have seized firearms from two of his victims as he moved through the building along the Anacostia River in southeast Washington, where 3,000 Navy employees go to work each day, many of them carrying authorized firearms."
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)safe at the naval base.
The officials also said Alexis obtained the assault rifle used in the shooting from a gun safe on the naval base. Theres where he may have also obtained a handgun, according to authorities.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/16/20522196-at-least-12-killed-in-shooting-rampage-at-washington-navy-yard-chief-says?lite
So I think it's pretty clear that at least some of the weapons he used were not taken off from other people. If Virgina had had stricter gun control laws perhaps perhaps he might have been prevented from buying that shotgun.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)The media botched this story up about as bad as possible.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)conclusions about what what happened when we are dealing with faulty information.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Lanier described one as a white male wearing what appeared to be a khaki tan military uniform and a beret, and carrying a handgun. She said police also are looking for a black man, about 50, wearing an olive military-style uniform, and possessing a long gun.
...
Authorities have confirmed at least seven fatalities, including the shooter. The dead shooter had an assault rifle and a handgun, two law enforcement officials said. One said he also had a shotgun.
At least two police officers were among those shot. Police on the scene said one is a D.C. Metropolitan Police officer who was shot twice in the leg and was evacuated to a hospital. Lanier said he was in stable condition after engaging the shooter with gunfire. The other was a base officer. The D.C. officer, a male, was conscious at MedStar Washington Hospital Center and his chances for survival were good, hospital officials said.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)oy veh
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Damn.
Seven dead.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Could have been armed first responders too. That sort of shit happens every time.
Remember the guy in Camo at Sandy Hook? Wasn't the shooter, wasn't even a shooter at all. Happens every time with the media feeding frenzy
haele
(12,647 posts)Sorry for the speculation, but NAVSEA, the major tenant at the Navy Yard, is not a major player for operations - acquisition, perhaps, but not operations or deployments, and as a military target for political statement, pretty lame. In Ft. Hood, the shooter targeted those who were potentially going to be deployed to fight against what he considered fellow Islamists. This is not the situation here.
However, people assigned to NAVSEA who might be fringe people (Teahadists, Oathkeepers) may take the position that any attack against any facility may be warranted for whatever "Patriot Cause" they think they're going to give their lives for.
Or if the shooter(s) is/are military, it could be a (or couple) of enlisted who were facing losing their careers and livelihoods due to "Up or Out", or through draw-down, and couldn't face the private sector without a job or future because their specialties and skills were not compatible with the civilian world and they couldn't face starting over at Home Depot or Best Buy as a cashier or floor manager.
Just speculation. And sadness - I could have lost a co-worker this morning and not-known it yet.
Haele
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)otherwise. I refuse to dignify those traitors by calling them "oathkeepers".
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)make that assessment more likely. (albeit, not a sure thing)
I'm leaning more toward the phantom non-existent second shooters/suspects from other shootings we have seen in the past. Probably first responders, seen and descriptions reported to the police.
telclaven
(235 posts)Howsabout we keep all speculation and shadenfreude silent until we know the facts?
Considering history, I'd say it's far more likely to be the work of US Muslims becoming radicalized and taking direct action.
Who's to day? Let's see what the facts on the ground are.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Also, in case you weren't paying attention, that was a bombing, not a shooting. The survivors of the shooting are likely to know the difference whether the person who shot at them was black or white (Separate suspect descriptions), or there was more than one or not.
Harder to guess from a backpack sitting on the ground.
telclaven
(235 posts)n.t
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I believe there were conflicting reports of multiple or lone shooters in that situation as well.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)people who think murdering one's fellow Americans for a RW political cause is a good thing.
telclaven
(235 posts)Just when was there a domestic RW terrorist attack? Last one I can think of was OK City.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)doesn't always involve mass murder doesn't mean it isn't happening.
But thanks for showing us all how quick you are to defend RW terrorists. Enjoy your stay.
BTW, aren't you supposed to be posting about that horrible muslim winning the Miss America pageant?
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haele
(12,647 posts)That was, what, 6/7 years ago? He killed an IRS manger.
Domestic Terrorism tends to be "low level" - usually threats and/or sabotage, and because it's usually a "local issue", one doesn't hear much about it. It's the difference between your angry, unemployed adult brother who burns down the garage you've turned into an apartment for him in a fit of drunken rage "by accident", and a burglary from "teen punks/gangstas" - whom your kid hangs out with at school and happened to talk about the nifty stuff - like guns and expensive recreational equipment - you collect, and when the family will be out of town to visit grandma for a couple of days.
While both are pretty much the same level of "by accident", you're not going to write a letter to the editor demanding the police do something about your stupid brother; but you will demand additional police enforcement due to the burglary even though you got hit because your kid was stupid enough to get involved with young punks who had nothing left to lose and nothing better to do.
Brother is Family. Punks are not.
Domestic Terrorists are angry, alienated Americans - the ones who join organizations that feed off that anger and alienation. Like militias, political "groups", racial or religious supremacy groups, etc - all with an authoritarian, militant bent so those alienated Americans could feel all strong, special and otherwise exceptional. They usually terrorize their families, their "customers" (if they're in service or retail) and their local governments by enforcing their collective organizational rules and restricting liberties and resources on those other categories of people who "don't belong".
So, while those groups aren't politically sexy/scary as an Islamic terrorist group, they do exist and they are very, very active in trying to push their agenda - especially on people who don't belong to their groups.
And occasionally, someone in an organization like that will decide s/he has had enough and go all-out Rambo, taking a couple - or a dozen or so - people with him or her on the trail to glory.
But since it's an American that did it (especially if it was a "good old boy next door" type) , too many people want to white-wash it as "s/he just went crazy" and claim that the organizations that actively promoted that destructive spree as being something noble and godly to do had absolutely nothing to do with the damage that crazy person did. It's all Milk and Honey in RW extremist land - as long as they get their way and can still blather their hyper-violent nonsense without any responsibility for their words.
BTW, the shooter has been identified as a contractor in his 30's from Texas. I suppose he could have been an Islamist, or he could have been a RW extremist, or a LW anti-war extremist - or it could be that he was angry and his pride was hurt because world wasn't working out the way it had been promised to him. But, he decided to make this a case of domestic terrorism, and 11 other people are dead, many more injured and probably a couple thousand traumatized.
I'm p.o.ed, and the office is shutting down because of the situation.
Haele
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)There were NOT 3 shooters.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)haele
(12,647 posts)One hurt very badly, perhaps killed. Two women and one man.
They had offices at the floor the shooter spent most of his time with (4th floor), don't know if they were in place or if they were trying to get away.
They were just office workers. Not decision makers, or anything special. It's hit a couple people here in San Diego pretty hard.
Haele
blaze
(6,359 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)So awful. So Damned AWFUL. I'm so sorry, haele. So fucking SENSELESS!!!!!!!!!
I'm with wordpix farther up-thread who posted the question - "is it time for gun control yet?"
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)You have to show your pass. So I'm thinking it's an inside job.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)the toll now is 16 shot and 8 dead according to msnbc.
guy had a stolen id badge from an employee.
they might be looking for a second shooter but think it might have just been somebody shooting back at the gunman.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)CarrieLynne
(497 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Only guards/MP's would be armed in this area. Most of these people are office worker types.
CarrieLynne
(497 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Someone should tell the military to give guns to everybody on post.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Mellow Drama
(47 posts)We are letting them know that the blood of all these shooting are on THEIR hands.
KinMd
(966 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)had a history of these, plus "misdemeanors" with guns including shooting out 4 tires of people he didn't like and shooting into the ceiling of a neighbor who had complained about his noise. Father said he had anger managemt problems. But state of VA gives him a rifle, anyway, 3 days before Navy Yard shooting.