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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:03 AM Sep 2013

Federal government to seize NYC skyscraper tied to Iran

Source: USA Today

It was once known as the Piaget Building because the Swiss jeweler used to have offices in the skyscraper near Rockefeller Center.

In the near future, it will be known as property of the federal government.

U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest has granted a summary judgment that clears the way for the government to seize the 36-story office building owned by a corporation and foundation with ties to the Iranian government. The move is the latest chapter in a short but storied history that includes design by John Carl Warnecke, the same architect who drew up the John F. Kennedy Eternal Flame gravesite at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia, Logan International Airport in Boston and the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md.

A statement by the U.S. Justice Department says the ruling "paves the way for the largest-ever terrorism-related forfeiture."

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/17/fifth-avenue-skyscraper-iran-government-seizure/2829517/

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Federal government to seize NYC skyscraper tied to Iran (Original Post) jakeXT Sep 2013 OP
"terrorism-related forfeiture" delrem Sep 2013 #1
I wonder how many buildings Suadi Arabia owns in NYC ? orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #2
Good question! KansDem Sep 2013 #3
There are no sanctions JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #4
Good question, Thanks for the list . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #16
Haven't figure out JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #25
Really? Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #5
Gov. probably should ask cheney for the sales receipts, bank records so we know Syria/iran sales Sunlei Sep 2013 #8
Uh, the article names the company. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #17
She was also the judge who ruled christx30 Sep 2013 #6
That should make the Iranians more open . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #7
That was my first thought also.nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #10
Exactly - USA's behaviour belies its stance of promoting peace. ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #11
Yep. Nihil Sep 2013 #20
Well, it's a two way "Morg Bar Armrika" (Death To America) street.... MADem Sep 2013 #18
Yeah, right. They put up nasty billboards . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #21
Excuse me--you're woefully misinformed on this topic. Our embassy is now their RG HQ. MADem Sep 2013 #22
So? another_liberal Sep 2013 #23
Wow, you know absolutely nothing about me! MADem Sep 2013 #24
We've crossed paths before. another_liberal Sep 2013 #27
Well, golly gee. MADem Sep 2013 #28
You're creeping me out. another_liberal Sep 2013 #30
Why thank you! nt MADem Sep 2013 #31
Assa Corporation has been on the OFAC list since 2008 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #26
What a bunch of thieves cpwm17 Sep 2013 #9
Theft, plain and simple. n/t ronnie624 Sep 2013 #12
US government doing to the Iranians what it does to Americans every day. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #13
Good. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #14
While we're seizing buildings related to crimes, may I suggest SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #15
740 Park Avenue. adirondacker Sep 2013 #29
Theft and piracy *nt Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #19

delrem

(9,688 posts)
1. "terrorism-related forfeiture"
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:18 AM
Sep 2013

How do I distinguish from "the spoils of war"?

Perhaps this is just a "shot across the bow" warning to any nation in the Central and South Americas, and to any nation across the globe vulnerable to a US hit, that they'd better pay up the bounty. Their (cheap!) price for living under the protection of American Exceptionalism.

Who'd want to speculate like *that*? I wouldn't own up to such a speculation because it's clearly "CT"

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
3. Good question!
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:35 AM
Sep 2013

If we were truly concerned about terrorist-owned properties in NYC, we should find out...

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
4. There are no sanctions
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:44 AM
Sep 2013

Programs in place against Saudi Arabia. Not saying there should or shouldn't be - just stating it.


Pretty extensive list from the Secretary of Treasury office on Iran.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/pages/iran.aspx

I wonder if the tip off was the OFAC list - or the BIS list?

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
25. Haven't figure out
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:51 PM
Sep 2013

Which list yet though. . . I monitor OFAC and BIS hits for my company (Telecom). It's got to be someone ON the listed (an individual) who is connect from a banking concern to that property. It's the only thing I can think of.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
5. Really?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:08 AM
Sep 2013

"U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest has granted a summary judgment that clears the way for the government to seize the 36-story office building owned by a corporation and foundation with ties to the Iranian government."
Could it be an Oil Company? Haliburton?
[link:http://www.projectcensored.org/2-halliburton-charged-with-selling-nuclear-technologies-to-iran/|

christx30

(6,241 posts)
6. She was also the judge who ruled
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:51 AM
Sep 2013

against the indefinite detention clause in the NDAA. The ruling she was forced to vacate due to presidential pressure.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. That should make the Iranians more open . . .
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:58 AM
Sep 2013

There's no doubt that kind of even-handed outreach should make the Iranians more open to negotiations over their nuclear research activities. Way to go Judge. (sigh)

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
11. Exactly - USA's behaviour belies its stance of promoting peace.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:24 AM
Sep 2013

.
.
.

Iran is watching closely - USA sanctioned the shit out of Iraq, Iraq got rid of whatever weapons were upsetting the USA,

USA INVADED AND SLAUGHTERED THEM ANYHOW!!

Sad times we are living in.

(sigh)

CC

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
20. Yep.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 06:14 AM
Sep 2013

> Iran is watching closely - USA sanctioned the shit out of Iraq,
> Iraq got rid of whatever weapons were upsetting the USA,
> USA INVADED AND SLAUGHTERED THEM ANYHOW!!

The fact that most of the US public has an attention-span of a drunken gnat
does not imply that people elsewhere in the world (especially those who have
been previously designated members of the fictional "Axis of Evil&quot have got
the same failing.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Well, it's a two way "Morg Bar Armrika" (Death To America) street....
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:36 PM
Sep 2013



The embassy was designed in 1948 by the architect Ides van der Gracht. It was a long, low two-story brick building, similar to American high schools built in the 1930s and 1940s. For this reason, the building was nicknamed "Henderson High" by the embassy staff, referring to Loy W. Henderson, who became America's ambassador to Iran just after construction was completed in 1951.[1]

The US diplomatic mission has been defunct since the Iran hostage crisis of 1979. Since then, the United States government has been represented in Iran by the United States Interests Section of the Embassy of Switzerland in Tehran. The name currently given to the compound by many Iranians is variously translated as "espionage den," "den of espionage", and "nest of spies".[2]

After the fall of the embassy, Revolutionary Guard used it as a training center. The brick walls that form the perimeter (the embassy grounds are the size of a city block) feature a number of anti-American murals commissioned by the government of Iran.[citation needed] The site has also housed a bookstore and a museum (both are closed to foreigners and the general Iranian public, though exceptions do exist). The Great Seal of the United States is badly damaged but still visible at the entryway.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_the_United_States,_Tehran

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. Excuse me--you're woefully misinformed on this topic. Our embassy is now their RG HQ.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 08:31 AM
Sep 2013

It's not just a few murals on the walls, they've turned it into a training camp.

Their embassy, OTOH, as well as their other diplomatic buildings in Washington, DC, are being maintained against the day that we renew relations by OUR State Department. In fact, State recently repaired the blue dome atop the embassy. The place looks pristine--it's turnkey ready.

It's a distinction and a difference.

You also might try reading the article a bit more closely. This is all about SANCTIONS. The skyscraper isn't owned by "them." Them, being the Islamic Government of Iran.

It's owned by a corporation with TIES to that government--i.e., a corporation that violated sanction laws by turning cash over to a corporation that is a front for BANK MELLI (which is the Iranian National Bank). They were LAUNDERING MONEY for the IGOI out of that place.

The Alawi foundation did this knowingly--that's why they're getting nailed. They call themselves a nonprofit but they were funneling proceeds and profits to Assa, the shell for Bank Melli, back to the IGOI.

From the article:


U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest has granted a summary judgment that clears the way for the government to seize the 36-story office building owned by a corporation and foundation with ties to the Iranian government. ..... The building at 650 Fifth Ave. in Manhattan is owned by the Alavi Foundation and Assa Corp., which took part in money laundering, the statement says. Assa is a front for Bank Melli, which is a "a front for the government of Iran," according to the statement.



Here--read and learn:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/09/17/61204.htm

Judge Forrest described Alavi's assertions it didn't know and that it "lost track of Bank Melli's previously clear control of Assa" as "implausible."
"The government argues that Alavi asserts a sort of collective amnesia," she wrote. "The court finds the analogy apt and its reality implausible. No rational juror could believe in such extraordinary amnesia; many of the same Alavi board members who were indisputably involved in the creation of Assa as a front for Bank Melli in 1989 remained with, or returned to positions with, Alavi after the ITRs were instituted in 1995," the judge wrote.
Forrest also said no evidence indicates that the ultimate owner and beneficiary of Assa was anyone other than Bank Melli. "Similarly, there is no triable issue as to Alavi's knowledge that it knew or was willfully blind as to whether the Iranian government owned and controlled Assa."
Alavi argued that, even if Assa's interest is forfeitable, that Alavi did not itself make any international transfers and thus cannot forfeit its interest.
But the judge disagreed, finding that it is "irrelevant" that Alavi only transferred funds to Assa Corp. within the United States.
Forrest said all assets at issue in the litigation, with the exception of seven properties held in the name of the Alavi Foundation, but bought before 1995, are subject to forfeiture.
Alavi "knew that its transfer of assets from the 650 Fifth Ave. Co. to Assa Corp. was for the purpose of making an international transfer to Assa Co. Ltd. That would further the violation of IEEPA."


I used to do business with Bank Melli in the seventies--I certainly didn't "forget" that. And I didn't do business with them in the millions, either. I got a few rials at one of their Teheran branches on occasion. But it never slipped my mind.

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. Wow, you know absolutely nothing about me!
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 02:41 PM
Sep 2013

You just hung it all out there, didn't ya? So smug! So wrong!

And what you're trying to do is goad and bait by making false and phony inferences about me, on the lines of "When did you stop beating your children?"

It's very uncivil conduct. It's rude and it is disruptive, and it makes DU suck.

And a great big Alla'e shoma khube to you, too, there Skippy....you'll have to work a little bit harder to get a rise out of me with those kinds of amateurish and obvious tactics.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Well, golly gee.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:04 PM
Sep 2013

You apparently have learned nothing from your "interactions." I guess I'll have to look out for misrepresentations, deliberate misinterpretations, and "this kind of thing" from you if I come across you in future.

Besalamat and khoda hafez, y'all!

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
30. You're creeping me out.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 07:00 AM
Sep 2013

I don't speak Farsi, if that is what you're implying, but the same right back at ya.

JustAnotherGen

(31,816 posts)
26. Assa Corporation has been on the OFAC list since 2008
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:06 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/pages/20081217.aspx

12/17/2008
Page Content


The following entities have been added to OFAC's SDN list:

ASSA CO. LTD., 6 Britania Place, Bath Street, St. Helier JE2 4SU, Jersey [NPWMD]

ASSA CORP. (a.k.a. ASSA), New York, NY; Tax ID No. 1368932 (United States) [NPWMD


The Alavi foundation is essentially a front for the Iranian government. And as I understand it - has been since 1979 - and was prior to 1979.

And thank you for your insight.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
9. What a bunch of thieves
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:21 AM
Sep 2013

We've been terrorizing Iran since 1953. That racist lobby and our corrupt politicians have been pushing war against Iran for years. They may never get it, but our politicians still act tough and pretend that the Iranians are the bad guys.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. US government doing to the Iranians what it does to Americans every day.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:24 PM
Sep 2013

Stealing their stuff.

Our asset forfeiture laws amount to legalized theft.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
15. While we're seizing buildings related to crimes, may I suggest
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 02:47 PM
Sep 2013

601 Lexington? 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza? 1 Bryant Park? Or 200 West Street?

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