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Eugene

(61,823 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 07:12 PM Sep 2013

Senators Push Bill to End Phone Record Collection

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON September 26, 2013 (AP)
By DONNA CASSATA Associated Press

Spying by the National Security Agency has cost the United States economically and angered allies, a bipartisan group of senators said Wednesday in unveiling legislation that would end the collection of millions of Americans' phone records and data on Internet usage.

Three Democrats — Oregon's Ron Wyden, Mark Udall of Colorado and Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut — and Republican Rand Paul of Kentucky outlined their legislation to end longstanding NSA surveillance practices and open up some of the actions of the secret federal court that reviews government surveillance requests.

The lawmakers argued that their bill is the appropriate response to disclosures this past summer about the sweeping surveillance programs — one that gathers U.S. phone records and another that is designed to track the use of U.S.-based Internet servers by foreigners with possible links to terrorism.

Wyden said the programs and revelations have undercut U.S. businesses required to provide data to the intelligence community while infuriating foreign leaders. Earlier this week, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff accused the United States of violating her country's sovereignty by sweeping up data from billions of telephone calls and emails that have passed through Brazil, including her own.

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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
2. And IF that bill/law is enacted - I don't want to ever hear anyone griping when the next...
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 07:26 PM
Sep 2013

... incident involving mass murder happens and the CIA/FBI etc has NO meta-data to track down the murderer's accomplices.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
4. I, for one, remember how metadata captured the Oklahoma City bombing
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 07:55 PM
Sep 2013

accomplices. And helped to solve who was behind the 9/11 attacks.

Oh, wait...metadata didn't exist back then.

Guess that means you win...Dumb Post of the Day.

Congrats.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
5. I think your analysis is in error.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:02 PM
Sep 2013

I believe the program HELPED catch those terrorist, I do not believe, and there is no evidence to suggest, that it was the sole reason for catching or stopping them. That being said, if I want to catch a fish, I don't need to drain the ocean.

 

Valhallakey

(70 posts)
6. They should have that and much more to protect us!!! Much more...
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:15 PM
Sep 2013

I believe the police should have complete authority to enter anyones house or business at anytime to search for potential terrorist ties or plots. If you do not support that then don't cry to me when some terrorist act occurs that could have been prevented if only you had helped support a bill like that! Oh and by the way they collect EVERYTHING but only review metadata on a regular basis. Also this whole thing is really hurting American businesses trying to compete internationally. Nobody trusts them anymore as they think they are either colluding by government coercion or willing due to some misplaced patriotism. There is also some suspicion of industrial espionage going on as well which is fueling the significant backlash against American businesses that is growing by the day.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. If there is a mass murder, the police can get a legitimate subpoena and obtain the information
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:27 PM
Sep 2013

very quickly. This program is completely unnecessary. The phone companies can still be required to keep the data and make it available. But the government should not be routinely collecting and storing it.

If anything, downsizing this program will make it more efficient, more effective and much less expensive.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
12. I have not stepped in it. And I did not rush into anything. My position has always been that...
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:59 PM
Sep 2013

... I think the meta-data should be saved so that if it is needed in the future investigators will have access to it.

Tele-coms do not keep it very long and once they delete it off of their systems it is gone forever - that is one of the main reasons the NSA keeps backups of it currently.



cui bono

(19,926 posts)
14. Well I didn't really want to hear you supporting the subversion of our constitution either.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:29 AM
Sep 2013

But that didn't stop you.

So there.

 

Humble companion

(14 posts)
15. has the metadata program stopped any plots
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 05:55 PM
Sep 2013

That could not have been stopped by a method not requiring dragnet collection?

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