House G.O.P. Leaders List Conditions for Raising Debt Ceiling

[SecularMotion]

Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders shifted the budget battle on Thursday to a potentially more consequential fight over raising the government’s borrowing limit, rolling out conditions for a debt-ceiling increase pulled from three years of frustration over efforts to roll back regulations and undo President Obama’s first-term achievements.

House Speaker John A. Boehner also made clear that he is not ready just yet to give up a policy fight that could shut down the federal government on Tuesday. Asked whether he would put a stopgap spending bill to a vote free of Republican policy prescriptions, he answered, “I do not see that happening.”

With just days remaining until a cascade of economic events crash onto Washington, the budget showdown between Congressional Republicans, Senate Democrats and President Obama is only growing more tangled. Behind closed doors in the Capitol, House Republican leaders laid out their demands for a debt-ceiling increase to the Republican rank and file.

They include a one-year delay of the president’s health care law, fast-track authority to overhaul the tax code, construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, offshore oil and gas production, more permitting of energy exploration on federal lands, a rollback of regulations on coal ash, blocking new Environmental Protection Agency regulations on greenhouse gas production, eliminating a $23 billion fund to ensure the orderly dissolution of failed major banks, eliminating mandatory contributions to the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, limits on medical malpractice lawsuits and an increase in means testing for Medicare, among other provisions.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/us/politics/house-gop-leaders-list-conditions-for-raising-debt-ceiling.html?hp

[inch4progress]

26. ++++^^^^+++++^^^^^

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[raging moderate]

27. Hear, hear, Frankie the Bird!

GOP legislators need to do the job they signed on to do, to keep the government going.

[Scurrilous]

50. ...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

51. This is a ridiculous argument. There's no constitutional requirement for deficit spending.

If the debt ceiling isn't raised then the only constitutional requirement is that the government cease borrowing additional money.

ETA -- some deficit spending isn't bad, i.e. infrastructure and social welfare. Not raising the debt ceiling could be economically catastrophic because it would be yanking too much money out of the economy too fast but it would not be unconstitutional.

[Xipe Totec]

2. Oh! And a pony too! nt

[Berlin Expat]

3. All I can say is

[leftynyc]

4. They want to pretend Romney won

the election. Assholes.

[durablend]

11. Pretend?

Romney's been president since this past January in their world.

[Iliyah]

5. Lets see if corporate media brings attention to

these demands. I won't hold my breath.

Evening MSNBC may but the rest won't which includes print and air, i.e. internet, et al.,

I know sites like this will but the general public need to know that the GOPers only concern is the welfare of the 1%ers.

[KansDem]

37. If the corporate media do bring this up...

...it'll by framed as a "compromise" by the GOPers. And when Obama refuses, he'll be branded as a dictator who won't negotiate.

[1ProudAtheist]

6. Our Spineless President

Will find a way to cave in, selling out his supporters, and save the orange boner from further humiliation. He has done it before, and he will do it again.

That is not the outcome that I desire, but it is the reality that I have come to expect from the man who has lied repeatedly to those who elected him.

[DCBob]

7. Congratulations on finding a way to twist this story around to bash the President.

[1ProudAtheist]

8. Facts Sir

Just the facts.

[DCBob]

10. Perhaps the bashing can wait until something actually happens regarding this particular situation.

I think he was sufficiently bashed enough on the previous occasions.

[durablend]

12. You mean like Manchin suggesting caving in (delaying ACA)?

The dominoes are starting to fall already.

[DCBob]

13. Manchin is not real Democrat.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. Wait. You're defending Machin? Are you serious? Really????

You mean >>>THIS<<<< Manchin???


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Manchin: I'd Support Delaying Obamacare To Avoid Govt Shutdown
Last edited Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Source: TPM

DYLAN SCOTT – SEPTEMBER 26, 2013, 11:47 AM EDT

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) said Thursday that he would support a one-year delay of Obamacare's individual mandate as part of a short-term government spending bill.

Delaying implementation of one of the key pieces of Obamacare is one of the provisions that congressional Republicans are reportedly considering including in the temporary government spending bill when it comes back from the Senate.

Manchin's comments, made at a Bloomberg Government breakfast in Washington, D.C., were reported by Bloomberg News.

“There’s no way I could not vote for it. It’s very reasonable and sensible,” Manchin said. “Don’t put the mandate on the American public right now. Give them at least a year. If you know you couldn’t bring the corporate sector, you gave them a year, don’t you think it’d be fair?”

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/manchin-says-he-d-support-delay-of-individual-mandate


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Link to Bloomberg article:

Democrat Manchin Breaks Ranks to Back Mandate Delay

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-26/democrat-manchin-breaks-ranks-to-back-mandate-delay.html

[durablend]

22. Defending him?!?

Hardly. But past performance shows this is how our side always caves in.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

24. Be patient. See my post below.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

15. No facts. ODS!! That's the VERY definition of it!

Quick to bash the president FIRST while silent on the Republicans? Check.
Illogical? Check.
Unreasonable? Check.
Emotional? Check.
Knee-Jerk? Check.
No facts? Check.
Hyperbolic? Check.
Failure to hold Republicans accountable? Check.
No evidence? Check.

= ODS? Yes, sir!!

[demwing]

29. More ODS Bullshit

What a convenient game to minimize any and all plurality of thought.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. Except there was no plurality and certainly no thought in that post. :)

[demwing]

32. I'm sorry, I don't discuss issues with people who have OWD

Obama Worship Disorder

[freshwest]

34. +++^^^

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Oh FFS

Give it a fucking rest.

[JoePhilly]

39. You have to hope that the President finds the funds ...

to repair the bridge under which this "potential" troll resides.

Be sad if it collapsed.

[Scurrilous]

53. This guy needs to take some of that toll money he collects and invest in a thesaurus..

...he's flogging spineless to death.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3693419

"Our spineless POTUS.."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=598275

"BO will cave to repuke demands. He has become a spineless wimp..."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3693388

".. BO is going to be forever seen as a spineless wonder, a gimmick.."

[Xyzse]

17. I sure hope not.

I mean, I wouldn't discount the possibility, but give it a bit more time.

Besides, we have 4-5 days to see what will happen. Relax, and save it.
If you prove right, then I guess you get to be validated.

I don't see the point of going on about this now, and yes some may cite capitulation on 2010, in extending the tax cut and other examples(this is debatable), but for now, your concern is noted.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

18. Whatever. I tire of all the fucking whining about this president...

bama rebukes 'irresponsible' Republicans in health care speech (“The ACA is here to stay&quot
Last edited Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:14 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

Source: NBC

Obama rebukes 'irresponsible' Republicans in health care speech
By Carrie Dann, Political Reporter, NBC News

President Barack Obama dismissed what he called the “antics” on Capitol Hill over the budget to keep up the sales pitch on his namesake health care law Thursday.

Slamming “irresponsible” congressional Republicans who have threatened to shut down the government or prevent a raise in the debt ceiling if the Affordable Care Act is not defunded, a defiant Obama said the health law won’t be derailed.


“That’s not going to happen as long as I am president,” he said during an appearance at a community college just outside Washington D.C.’s Beltway. “The Affordable Care Act is here to stay.”

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"I won’t negotiate on anything when it comes to the full faith and credit of the United States of America," he said.

Read more: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/26/20706381-obama-rebukes-irresponsible-republicans-in-health-care-speech?lite

[Xyzse]

21. Sure hope so

It is here to stay, I don't really see them being able to do anything to stop it at this time.
Barring a delay.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. They can't. Listen, the American people are preparing for this law.

It would be chaotic for things to suddenly stop. I work for a federal agency. My friends over there at HHS (just a few blocks away) have been working day and night on the implementation. To suddenly stop everything and delay would be madness. It's already madness. We already expect glitches. Mistakes will be made. I hope that the American people will be patient with us.

And I hope that people will remain vigilant and patient with this president. It's not a perfect law by any stretch of the imagination but it's a start. The Republicans know this. That's why they hate it so much. That's why they'll do anything to destroy it...and him.

[Xyzse]

25. I'm not disagreeing with you

I consider most of it as impotent. Yes, flaccid, impotent and other things.

Was just telling the guy to chill, if he turns out right, fine, but at the moment, relax.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

28. Yep. That would help. We all need to relax. It's hard for us federal employees

though. Not only do we need to wrap shit up before the fiscal year ends on Monday. We now have to worry about the shutdown, which could come before then.

It just so happens that I've gotten most of my work done, but I'm still a bit on edge, so I hope my DU brothers and sisters will forgive me if I come across as a bit harsh.

[Xyzse]

31. It's alright. I work in DC, so in many ways

We get directly affected by these things as well. Nowhere near as much as you guys, but it does affect DC, MD, VA in regards to business.

I also understand since I have relatives and friends that are federal employees as well.

[Goalie49009]

40. Oh this should be good.....

[Xyzse]

41. LOL

What? Advocating to chill, and adopt a wait and see approach?

I don't want to go beyond that.

[Goalie49009]

43. I got your back there Xyzse

[Xyzse]

44. Yep, chilling is the best thing to do.

[Goalie49009]

47. Here let me cook something for us while we wait then

[JoePhilly]

38. Sure, like the last 5 times when he caved and cut Social Security, right?

The perpetually disgruntled never disappoint.

[Dollface]

9. If the people had wanted any of that they would have voted for it.

Repubs believe elections have consequences only if they win.

[heaven05]

19. I hate this Party of thugs and whiners.

Same goes for amerikkkans who voted for these thugs and whiners. How can a large swath of amerikkkans be so ignorant as to continually vote people into office who don't have their best interest as a motivating factor. I am getting more amazed and saddened with each election cycle. Voting rights, civil rights, women's rights, the need for healthcare for all are under attack by this Party, it's voting constituents and some bluedogs(see that w.virginia democratic senator voting with rethugs against a key provision of Obamacare). Sad, sad, sad what amerikkka has become.

[zbdent]

20. unmarked bills, and the police to clear the way for

a helicopter to the airport and a fully fueled jet plane to the Caribbean?

[onestepforward]

33. Ah, in other words, their ransom note

of demands, otherwise, the American economy get's it.

Sick fuckers.

[Liberalynn]

54. +1

[The Wizard]

35. Is John Boner always drunk? (NT)

[liberal N proud]

36. In any other condition, this would be considered extortion

But since the republicans are doing it, it is business as usual.

[Javaman]

42. I thought the policy of the U.S. Government was never to negotiate with terrorists.

LOL

[Scurrilous]

45. @#$% the GOP.

@#$% them all.

[Myrina]

46. Fine, shut it down.

Let's see how the red state voters like not getting their mail, or their checks, etc etc.
Let's see how red state businesses like not having shoppers with money to keep their registers ka-chinging.
Let's see how the military contractors like not getting THEIR checks.

Let's do it.

[sendero]

55. I'm pretty sure..

.. that the pukes are not going to get any of the ridiculous shit they are asking for, but I'm with you. If they take it to the wall I want Obama to say "ok, you guys just shut down the government, bon appetit".

Because this country needs some tough love at this point. I'm tired of living amongst a throng or morons who cannot find their own asses with both hands and a map but who have ever so strong opinions about turning back legislation now that it is all but completely implemented.

[Myrina]

56. +100

[awoke_in_2003]

48. Every condition they demand...

is something to fuck us up.

[pansypoo53219]

49. WHEN DO WE GET TO UNDO GEORGE W FUCKING BUSH? UNDO IWAQ? HIS TAX CUTS???

THE 2 SUPREME JUSTICES HE DID NOT DESERVE TO SIT????

[madokie]

52. They really don't care about us or the environment do they

Hey dickheads rMoney and mcPalin both lost, get over it already

[aquart]

57. Go to Hell, piglets.

We're gonna blow your House down.