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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 08:52 AM Sep 2013

President Obama to Republicans: 'I will not negotiate'

Source: The Hill

(snip)
Despite Republican attempts to defund his signature healthcare reform law, the president promised that the next phase of the law will kick in on October 1 “no matter what.”

“I will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conversation about our economic future,” Obama said. “But I will not negotiate over Congress’ responsibility to pay the bills it has already racked up. I don’t know how to be more clear about this: no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to extract ideological concessions.”

(snip)
“This Tuesday is an important day for families, businesses, and our economy,” Obama said. “It’s the day a big part of the Affordable Care Act kicks in and tens of millions of Americans will finally have the same chance to buy quality, affordable health care as everyone else.

“It’s also the day that a group of far-right Republicans in Congress might choose to shut down the government and potentially damage the economy just because they don’t like this law.”




Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/325283-obama-to-republicans-i-will-not-negotiate



Weekly Address: Averting a Government Shutdown and Expanding Access to Affordable Healthcare




Weekly Address: Averting a Government Shutdown and Expanding Access to Affordable Healthcare
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/09/28/weekly-address-averting-government-shutdown-and-expanding-access-afforda
(snip)
If Congress doesn’t pass a budget by Monday – the end of the fiscal year – the government shuts down, along with many vital services the American people depend on. On Friday, the Senate passed a bill to keep the government open. But Republicans in the House have been more concerned with appeasing an extreme faction of their party than working to pass a budget that creates new jobs or strengthens the middle class. And in the next couple days, these Republicans will have to decide whether to join the Senate and keep the government open, or create a crisis that will hurt people for the sole purpose of advancing their ideological agenda.

Past government shutdowns have disrupted the economy. This shutdown would, too. At a moment when our economy has steadily gained traction, and our deficits have been falling faster than at any time in 60 years, a shutdown would be a purely self-inflicted wound. And that’s why many Republican Senators and Republican governors have urged Republicans in the House of Representatives to knock it off, pass a budget, and move on.

This brings me to the second responsibility Congress has. Once they vote to keep the government open, they must also vote within the next couple weeks to allow the Treasury to pay the bills for the money that Congress has already spent. Failure to meet this responsibility would be far more dangerous than a government shutdown – it would be an economic shutdown, with impacts not just here, but around the world.

Unfortunately some Republicans have suggested that unless I agree to an even longer list of demands – not just gutting the health care law, but things like cutting taxes for millionaires or rolling back rules on big banks and polluters– they’ll push the button, throwing America into default for the first time in history and risk throwing us back into recession.

I will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conservation about our economic future. But I will not negotiate over Congress’ responsibility to pay the bills it has already racked up. I don’t know how to be more clear about this: no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to extract ideological concessions. No one gets to hurt our economy and millions of innocent people just because there are a couple laws you don’t like. It hasn’t been done in the past, and we’re not going to start doing it now.

The American people have worked too hard to recover from crisis to see extremists in their Congress cause another one. And every day this goes on is another day that we can’t continue the work of rebuilding the great American middle class. Congress needs to pass a budget in time, pay its bills on time, and refocus on the everyday concerns of the people who sent them there.



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President Obama to Republicans: 'I will not negotiate' (Original Post) cal04 Sep 2013 OP
This is the killer line.. DCBob Sep 2013 #1
Still no 14th amendment jakeXT Sep 2013 #5
I totally agree with you about using the 14th Amendment, watoos Sep 2013 #6
It would be seen for what it was. Gore1FL Sep 2013 #7
i think we all need to just tweet "14" underthematrix Sep 2013 #8
They can go ahead an impeach him. He'll just laugh and carry on. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #30
'The full faith and credit' is code for using it. RiverNoord Sep 2013 #11
I agree. he absolutely knows what he means. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #15
I'm pretty sure the last time this came up, the White House talked to their lawyers about that... phleshdef Sep 2013 #28
Wow it's really sad when a sitting President has to speak to Congressmen and Senators as if they are Heather MC Sep 2013 #20
Its true the Republicans want to hold the US government yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #22
They SHOULD, but that might interfere w/their martini brunches/weekends on the golf course together. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #34
I was partly wrong...its not Blackmail... yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #35
Good! tblue Sep 2013 #2
They are terrorists. Treat them as such. Gitmo is still open. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #3
Even better, declare them insurrectionists. meow2u3 Sep 2013 #9
Extraordinary rendition candidates....all of them. Moostache Sep 2013 #17
nice idea! Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #19
Excellent idea. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #31
every year, the same crap from Congress! I do not understand why some people even vote for them! Sunlei Sep 2013 #4
Finally! RiverNoord Sep 2013 #10
Well, at least we understand what at all Monica Lewinsky crap was all about during the Clinton years Baitball Blogger Sep 2013 #12
We need to rally around the president to resist GOP obstructionism Politicub Sep 2013 #13
Obama to republicans: Left Coast2020 Sep 2013 #14
Unfortunately, the tea baggers don't believe him. mysuzuki2 Sep 2013 #16
Can't really blame them for thinking that. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #37
Kick and Rec for all the filthy teabaggers out there. Kingofalldems Sep 2013 #18
Good. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #21
Finally the real deal. Really Presidential. Celefin Sep 2013 #23
What's the difference between John Boehner and Hassan Rouhani? mwooldri Sep 2013 #24
Well, that and Rouhani was never employed by Willy Wonka. Scootaloo Sep 2013 #27
Ya know it seems more and more like the GOP is behaving like a terrorist organization cstanleytech Sep 2013 #25
NEVER AGAIN should we allow Fox News Channel to elect our Congress!! JEFF9K Sep 2013 #26
Mahalo cal Cha Sep 2013 #29
"...with terrorists" he added Ash_F Sep 2013 #32
Of course he won't "negotiate." He'll just quietly FOLD. And get NOTHING for it in the process. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #33
You're wrong Hekate Sep 2013 #39
Obama SHOULD negotiate. He's an AWESOME negotiator and he'd come out way ahead. Pterodactyl Sep 2013 #36
Yes, that was eleventy dimension chess. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #38
I have a feeling that the current situation with the ACA is a red line much like chemical weapons Hekate Sep 2013 #40
Yeah, maybe Putin could help out. Pterodactyl Sep 2013 #41
Obama (and Kerry) handed Putin a hot potato and made him responsible. Frankly that was awesome. Hekate Sep 2013 #42

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
1. This is the killer line..
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 09:24 AM
Sep 2013

"no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States of America just to extract ideological concessions."

That's about as clear and concise as it can be.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
5. Still no 14th amendment
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 09:52 AM
Sep 2013

“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payments of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3991148

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
6. I totally agree with you about using the 14th Amendment,
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:00 AM
Sep 2013

maybe the problem with that would be that the Repugs would try to impeach Pres Obama if he used it. Even if Obama would be justified in using the 14th would he end up spending his time fighting impeachment? I don't really know, just asking because it does otherwise seem like a simple solution.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
7. It would be seen for what it was.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
Sep 2013

I doubt they'd even get the vote for impeachment in the House.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
30. They can go ahead an impeach him. He'll just laugh and carry on.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 07:37 PM
Sep 2013

I think he has decided that this is his moment to stand firm. I support him in that 100%.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
11. 'The full faith and credit' is code for using it.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:42 AM
Sep 2013

I suspect the the President's legal team has been working very, very hard in preparation for its application, and I hope he has the courage to go for it if necessary. Which is almost certain.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
28. I'm pretty sure the last time this came up, the White House talked to their lawyers about that...
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:45 PM
Sep 2013

...and they advised against it.

However, considering theres no re-election to worry about, Obama might go there as a last ditch effort, its not like Biden is gonna suffer their bullshit if they hypothetically were even able to impeach the President, and I doubt the Senate would let it slide.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
20. Wow it's really sad when a sitting President has to speak to Congressmen and Senators as if they are
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 12:05 PM
Sep 2013

terrorist. But that is where we are at. And we DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST!

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
22. Its true the Republicans want to hold the US government
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 01:29 PM
Sep 2013

Hostage with their blackmail scheme. They should be treated as criminals.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
2. Good!
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 09:29 AM
Sep 2013

They act like children in the Terrible 2s. They don't deserve anyone's respect or attention. Only thing is, they will not give up. They always have something else up their sleeve. Stay strong, Mr. President!

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
3. They are terrorists. Treat them as such. Gitmo is still open.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 09:42 AM
Sep 2013

Declare an Economic Emergency under the Patriot Act. Then declare them enemy combatants.

We can have a set of new elections once they are sitting in cages.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
17. Extraordinary rendition candidates....all of them.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 11:28 AM
Sep 2013

I will volunteer to water board them all too.

By the time I get done with these weapons of mass ignorance, they will wish to their gawd that they had never allowed the Patriot Act tp become law in the first place...my actions will be so draconian that it will shock the nation into a full repeal of the excremental laws that would make it legal in the first place.

I am willing to take that bullet for the benefit of us all (and because I have a side bet that Ted Cru wouldn't last 5 seconds on a water board before declaring the ACA as the best piece of legislation in the history fo the republic....

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
10. Finally!
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:40 AM
Sep 2013

Obama's legal team must have been working very hard to give him the cover he needed. The Constitutional trigger should have been used last time we went 'round this bend. I hope he has the courage to make it happen.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
12. Well, at least we understand what at all Monica Lewinsky crap was all about during the Clinton years
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:43 AM
Sep 2013

Republicans want someone they can blackmail and own. Looks like Obama is too good for them. Literally.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
13. We need to rally around the president to resist GOP obstructionism
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 11:12 AM
Sep 2013

Even if you disagree with the president on some things, this is an issue that we should all be able to rally around.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
16. Unfortunately, the tea baggers don't believe him.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 11:20 AM
Sep 2013

I heard some asshat on NPR yesterday (didn't hear his name) say that Obama negotiated last time this came up so he will probably negotiate this time too. The problem is, they see compromise as weakness. Once you give in to them, they will expect it every time. If President gives in this time, his presidency is completely down the drain. They will have won.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
37. Can't really blame them for thinking that.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 01:42 AM
Sep 2013

He has negotiated with the terrorists across the aisle from the git go, even after seeing it went nowhere.

It's really going to be ugly now, with the budget and then in a few weeks the debt ceiling. Here's hoping he will stand up to them.

Celefin

(532 posts)
23. Finally the real deal. Really Presidential.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:31 PM
Sep 2013

Do not negotiate with terrorists - they don't deserve any other name by now.

Obama tells it like it is. Beautiful.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
24. What's the difference between John Boehner and Hassan Rouhani?
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 04:39 PM
Sep 2013

You can negotiate with Hassan Rouhani...

(sadly, I wish it were a joke).

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
25. Ya know it seems more and more like the GOP is behaving like a terrorist organization
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 06:06 PM
Sep 2013

with their approach of "give us what we want or we start killing the hostages".

Cha

(297,154 posts)
29. Mahalo cal
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 07:10 PM
Sep 2013

Ben White ✔ @morningmoneyben

I love the idea that raising debt ceiling would be "caving" to Obama. Like saying paying for stuff you bought is "caving" to the cashier.3:22 AM - 28 Sep 2013 from Englewood, NJ, United States

282 Retweets 70 favorites Reply

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/09/28/rise-and-shine-625/

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
33. Of course he won't "negotiate." He'll just quietly FOLD. And get NOTHING for it in the process.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:46 PM
Sep 2013
Just like usual.

Pterodactyl

(1,687 posts)
36. Obama SHOULD negotiate. He's an AWESOME negotiator and he'd come out way ahead.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 11:17 PM
Sep 2013

Case in point: Syria.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
40. I have a feeling that the current situation with the ACA is a red line much like chemical weapons
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 03:54 AM
Sep 2013

The GOP seem to delight in the prospect of death as much as Assad. When the President says he's not going to negotiate with the GOP any more, they should watch out.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
42. Obama (and Kerry) handed Putin a hot potato and made him responsible. Frankly that was awesome.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 05:39 PM
Sep 2013

Syria is Russia's client nation -- and now Russia is responsible for cleaning up the chemical weapons they have had to admit that Syria actually has.

What's needed in the US is for the US Congress to do its actual job, and it looks an awful lot like Boehner is finding himself between a rock and a hard place -- the rock being "I will not negotiate" Obama and the hard place being the Tea Party. The losers in this contest are going to be the Congressional GOP/Tea Party, and Putin can mind his own business.

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