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kpete

(71,957 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 06:44 PM Feb 2012

White House gives blessing to partial Keystone XL construction

White House gives blessing to partial Keystone XL construction
By Andrew Restuccia - 02/27/12 02:27 PM ET

The White House backed TransCanada Corp.’s bid to build a major portion of the Keystone XL oil pipeline Monday, a move that could shield President Obama from growing GOP attacks over the project.

Obama's support for the southern portion of the pipeline gave the White House another chance to blunt GOP attacks by touting support for U.S. oil development. But it quickly re-opened a rift with the president’s environmental base, which condemned the project.


TransCanada, which has been working for years to win federal approval of Keystone XL, said Monday that it will begin construction on a section of the pipeline that runs from Cushing, Okla., to Texas.

The White House quickly reiterated its support for the pipeline segment, which would carry crude oil pumped from land in the Midwest and surrounding areas to refineries in Texas. The pipeline can't be extended to carry oil sands crude from Canada until the company receives a cross-border permit from the State Department, a permit the president rejected in January.

the rest:
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/212785-white-house-backs-major-segment-of-keystone-pipeline
(SHIT!, kpete)

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White House gives blessing to partial Keystone XL construction (Original Post) kpete Feb 2012 OP
Is that a camel's nose I see Jakes Progress Feb 2012 #1
No, the whole caravan is in, you're just hidden under the covers and can't see them yet. saras Feb 2012 #2
It looks like a nose but... RUMMYisFROSTED Feb 2012 #25
Scarred for life, I am. OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #27
This pipeline is going through and it always was... Swamp Lover Feb 2012 #3
It's not the pipeline that's the problem...it's the very dirty oil they're drilling for joeybee12 Feb 2012 #4
Syntax Alert Censor-Ready Feb 2012 #8
That's just not true. Swamp Lover Feb 2012 #22
How is it untrue? daleanime Feb 2012 #36
Construction permits and operation permits will all require maintenance. Swamp Lover Feb 2012 #42
Yes, a scary story we have sadly experienced recently. unapatriciated Feb 2012 #37
thank you n/t. okieinpain Feb 2012 #14
Seriously?!? libmom74 Feb 2012 #24
From Oklahoma to Texas, yeah that's a radical move. grantcart Feb 2012 #5
Might just be the beginning... KansDem Feb 2012 #6
Naive or purposefully blind? Jakes Progress Feb 2012 #7
Also... bvar22 Feb 2012 #38
No oil for us, very few or no jobs, almost certain leaks, and "game over" for the climate RufusTFirefly Feb 2012 #9
Thanks for the succinct summary! proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #10
SO true, proposal to build supertanker port in Houston FogerRox Feb 2012 #40
Game over for the planet JJW Feb 2012 #11
They seemed to know it would happen, having been building/grabbing land for it ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2012 #12
........ Hotler Feb 2012 #13
republibrats hold their breath stomp their little feet whine and cry and potus caves. wow what a leftyohiolib Feb 2012 #15
Time to slit our wrists. boppers Feb 2012 #16
a move that could shield President Obama from growing GOP attacks over the project. leftyohiolib Feb 2012 #17
Spam deleted by Skinner (MIR Team) safgertrt Feb 2012 #18
whats this, a commercial? leftyohiolib Feb 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author savalez Feb 2012 #20
The plan does not require federal approval. savalez Feb 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author freedom fighter jh Feb 2012 #35
with all the oil disasters we have had in our history... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #23
Obama is missing the point BearsandBulls Feb 2012 #26
AS long as we're talking about transitioning to renewables FogerRox Feb 2012 #41
Extremely disappointing! patrice Feb 2012 #28
Certainly is Bainbridge Bear Feb 2012 #29
If they build this segment, and never approve the rest of the pipeline, it will be one of the truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #30
Fix Is In nwliberalkiwi Feb 2012 #31
Obama always does things like this fasttense Feb 2012 #32
Well, as long as it Le Taz Hot Feb 2012 #33
NO WAY! progressoid Feb 2012 #34
Stop picking on this president. He's doing the best he can. Hotler Feb 2012 #39
 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
3. This pipeline is going through and it always was...
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:03 PM
Feb 2012

...and believe me, you watn Obama's regulators administering the permits and not Romney's or Santorumn's.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
4. It's not the pipeline that's the problem...it's the very dirty oil they're drilling for
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:08 PM
Feb 2012

and processing...it will increase global warming so badly no efforts in other areas will offset it...this sucks...Obama doesn't get it at all.

Censor-Ready

(17 posts)
8. Syntax Alert
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:39 PM
Feb 2012

"Obama regulator" is an oxymoron.

And what is "administering permits"? Once the approval is given, industry is in self-reporting mode until something explodes and they want federal money for the cleanup.

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
42. Construction permits and operation permits will all require maintenance.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:45 PM
Feb 2012

In addition, any problems will require investigation. Do you want the response to any reported complaints to be answered and acted upon by Obama or one of the idiots who are running from the other side.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
37. Yes, a scary story we have sadly experienced recently.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 10:01 AM
Feb 2012

We are really good at forgetting our history lessons, but two years ago is not yet distant enough to be forgotten.
First they said this:



Than the injured parties sue to get justice and the courts said this.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/06/17/37457.htm
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/06/18/unbelievable-courts-rule-taxpayers-bp-transocean-liable-gulf-oil-spill-clean-costs-29071/

BP gets their ruling and starts the finger point so they can wiggle out the cost of their spill.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-03/us/us_bp-halliburton-lawsuit_1_bp-and-halliburton-blowout-preventer-cameron-international-corp?_s=PM:US

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/27/us-bp-transocean-idUSTRE80Q00E20120127

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/23/us-bp-trial-idUSTRE81M1W520120223

More trials and more delays
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/bp-oil-spill-trial-settlement_n_1304403.html?ref=green

LONDON/NEW ORLEANS (Reuters/Tom Bergin and Jonathan Stempel) -- The trial to decide who should pay for the 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill has been delayed by a week, to allow BP Plc to try to cut a deal with tens of thousands of businesses and individuals affected by the disaster.

Less than 24 hours before the case was set to start in a New Orleans federal court, U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier pushed back the date to March 5 from February 27.


Since this is not a story, but is current news it doesn't scare you enough.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
6. Might just be the beginning...
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:28 PM
Feb 2012

Build a pipeline from Oklahoma to Texas, then it's "Oh, lets extend it to Kansas! C'mon, what could possibly go wrong in Kansas?!!"

Then Nebraska, then South and North Dakota.

Then it will be, "C'mon, Mr. President. We're there! Won't you grant a permit to go across the US/Canadian border?"

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
7. Naive or purposefully blind?
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:31 PM
Feb 2012

Naive - believing that this isn't the first step to approval after the election.

Purposefully blind - pretending that this isn't the first step to approval after the election.

Sure. Trans Canadian oil is going to spend a few million dollars building a pipeline to move Oklahoma oil to Texas without any assurance (behind the curtain) that it will become a part of their design. Right nice of them.

Naive - trusting big oil to do the right thing.

Purposefully blind - supporting big oil and its agenda because it coincides with a particular celebrity politician.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
38. Also...
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 12:33 PM
Feb 2012

A great way to ensure PLENTY of Oil Dollars flow into the re-election coffers.

You know, we are almost there with this pipeline deal, but the opposition is stiff.
A little more incentive will get this deal done.
The polls ALL say Obama is going to WIN BIG in November,
so what can you do to help us out here and get this pipeline built?


...and people say the Obama Administration doesn't know how to "negotiate".

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
9. No oil for us, very few or no jobs, almost certain leaks, and "game over" for the climate
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:52 PM
Feb 2012

What's not to like about this pipeline?

No oil for us. Keystone XL will not lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil, but transport Canadian oil to American refineries for export to overseas markets. Source: Tar Sands Action.

Very few or no jobs. Cornell GLI Study Finds Keystone XL Pipeline Will Create Few Jobs. Previous Studies Are Misleading; Project May Kill More Jobs Than It Creates. Source: Cornell University Global Labor Institute

Almost certain leaks. TransCanada predicted that the Keystone I pipeline would see one spill in 7 years. In fact, there have been 12 spills in 1 year. Source: Tar Sands Action.

"Game over" for the climate. NASA scientist James Hansen says if the oil sands were exploited as projected, the carbon emissions produced would mean it was "game over for the climate." Source: The Guardian

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
40. SO true, proposal to build supertanker port in Houston
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:00 PM
Feb 2012

and the proposal to expand the loading facility in Vancouver to handle supertankers (currently only Suezmax tankers can be loaded at Vancouver).

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
15. republibrats hold their breath stomp their little feet whine and cry and potus caves. wow what a
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012

fucking surprise if the scotus wasnt so important i might just say fuck you to sir cavesalot

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
17. a move that could shield President Obama from growing GOP attacks over the project.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:12 PM
Feb 2012

what a charlie brown. the gop will never let him off the hook for ANYTHING. even if he built the damn thing himself, just like getting bin laden, he'll have done it too late or too early or both. they wont like the way he did it blah blah blah. for such a smart guy he acts (sometimes) like such a naive novice.

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savalez

(3,517 posts)
21. The plan does not require federal approval.
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:29 PM
Feb 2012

I doubt they could have stopped it anyway.

"The plans announced Monday do not require federal approval. In January the Obama administration rejected a more controversial proposal from TransCanada to build a pipeline from the Montana-Canada border through Nebraska."

More at CNN: http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/27/news/companies/keystone_pipeline/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

Response to savalez (Reply #21)

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
23. with all the oil disasters we have had in our history...
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:47 PM
Feb 2012

it amazes me we still cannot get more people behind solar, wind, and tidal power.

BearsandBulls

(3 posts)
26. Obama is missing the point
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:18 PM
Feb 2012

Okay so now that we've accomplished increasing the number barrels of oil that is sent to refineries, can we focus on what everyone in America seems to blind to see. According to truebluenaturalgas.com We have enough natural gas to fuel America for 10 years with reserves that already exist, 82 years worth of gas that we know exists if we drill for it, and a nearly unlimited supply (possibly). So why on earth does every politician in America seem bent on not using it?

For that I have fewer answers. Maybe the lobbyists have a stronger grip on capitol hill than I thought, but let's go over the advantages to switching to American Natural Gas.

1. It would wipe out our dependency on foreign oil.
2. It would create jobs to drill for it
3. It's less expensive than gas
4. it's more environmentally friendly than gas

Am I missing something?

[link:http://www.truebluenaturalgas.org/how-much-natural-gas-does-the-us-have/|

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
41. AS long as we're talking about transitioning to renewables
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:04 PM
Feb 2012


Lets just start with wind power

1. It could wipe out our dependency on foreign oil by 2050.
2. It would create jobs
3. It's less expensive than nat gas
4. it's more environmentally friendly than nat gas
 

Bainbridge Bear

(155 posts)
29. Certainly is
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:19 AM
Feb 2012

but not at all surprising. Also remember that BP has been issued new drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico.

truthisfreedom

(23,138 posts)
30. If they build this segment, and never approve the rest of the pipeline, it will be one of the
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:31 AM
Feb 2012

sneakiest tricks ever played by a US President. What other use could it be put to, if no other path for the northern portion is approved? Transcanada is best known for its natural gas pipelines, not oil.

nwliberalkiwi

(367 posts)
31. Fix Is In
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 03:57 AM
Feb 2012

The fix was in a long time ago. Hillary's former campaign manager is the lead lobbiest for the pipeline. I'm suprised the the POTUS didn't cave until after the election. I voted for Obama the first time, but now I'm writing in Bernie Sanders. I hope the Repukes carry the election and take both houses and the Presidency. This nation is dead! What a sell out!

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
32. Obama always does things like this
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 07:44 AM
Feb 2012

He gives with one hand and takes away with the other then claims he's a centrist.

In a country that has been so destroyed by the 1%, bending to their wishes is not a centrist position. It is a position design to make it look as if he is progressive and maybe a little lieberal while all the time pushing the agenda of the uber rich.

He always does this. He gives a fraction of an inch to his liberal base on a social issue then promotes the right wing economic agenda. The right wing 1% got tax cuts for the rich, no public option, bailouts, no enforcment of finacial regulations, war, hiring freezes, reductions in heating oil assitance and free trade agreements. The liberals got the end of Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
33. Well, as long as it
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:03 AM
Feb 2012

"could shield President Obama from growing GOP attacks over the project" that's what's important.

Hotler

(11,392 posts)
39. Stop picking on this president. He's doing the best he can.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 12:38 PM
Feb 2012

Now that the XL pipeline is behind him he can focus in putting more pot smokers in prison.

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