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True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:37 PM Nov 2013

Houston Homeless Man Lay Dead For A Day As Passersby Took Pictures Of Him, Did Nothing To Help

Source: HuffingtonPost

A homeless man in Houston was left dead on the sidewalk for close to a day as pedestrians walked by, doing nothing to help. Some even took photos of his lifeless body with their cellphones.

"If they just had used their cell phone to make a call instead of a picture, perhaps this man could still be alive today," Sgt. Brian Harris of the Houston Police Department, told KHOU. "I would like to say our city is better than that, I know our city is better than that."

Police said the man, who was discovered dead by a deputy constable on Tuesday, likely died of natural causes. His identity has not been determined.

The behavior of passersby in this case could have something to do with the bystander effect, a phenomenon in which people fail to come to a person's aid because they assume someone else will.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/01/houston-homeless-man-dead-days_n_4191746.html

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Houston Homeless Man Lay Dead For A Day As Passersby Took Pictures Of Him, Did Nothing To Help (Original Post) True_Blue Nov 2013 OP
Recently, every major story has people "clicking" their cell phones question everything Nov 2013 #1
Some major stories have only become so because a bystander captured an image or video AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #12
Dead Bodies in the steets----Hey didn't this happen in New Orleans" ? warrant46 Nov 2013 #14
You think that is bad- snooper2 Nov 2013 #2
I would have had a heart attack. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #7
Some people just drive past him, brushing against him. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #10
I've a friend who hung himself. If I caught someone doing this, would be pissed. uppityperson Nov 2013 #19
When we were kids...we made a dummy stuffed with leaves...put it Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #20
How does a man hang himself with a car? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #24
He was blocking traffic Renew Deal Nov 2013 #30
They were probably waiting for him to pull himself up by his bootstraps. beerandjesus Nov 2013 #3
LOL! nt Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #23
Yes. He was in danger of becoming a moocher. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #61
What do you expect from the people who gave us GWB and Ted Cruz? Democrats_win Nov 2013 #4
No hearts Faux pas Nov 2013 #15
Houston also elected an openly gay mayor... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #44
Great point. babylonsister Nov 2013 #51
I don't understand this behavior. texanwitch Nov 2013 #5
If you do call 911, be alert for a really stupid response. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #9
Wow. That 911 operator is an idiot. Never give CPR to someone who has a pulse and is breathing. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #22
The fire station was so close by, the response time was quick. texanwitch Nov 2013 #25
Bystander effect only comes into play with non-locals (Shoppers are the most common). happyslug Nov 2013 #60
Human indecency at a new low. JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #6
We are a nation of spectators, trained to be helpless, useless voyers with compassion fatigue. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #8
My G-d what have we become? azurnoir Nov 2013 #11
a country that cant abide by the Human Rights Declaration we signed reddread Nov 2013 #16
sad truth people have become disposable azurnoir Nov 2013 #29
Some people are on the streets because they want to be KatyMan Nov 2013 #36
"some people say" that reddread Nov 2013 #48
Perfect symbol for the times we live in....n/t radhika Nov 2013 #13
We have our thread winner. Brigid Nov 2013 #26
Bystander effect? DeSwiss Nov 2013 #17
Sad, but not surprising in Republican Jesusland. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #18
Not all of us. texanwitch Nov 2013 #27
True, but you have more than your share of these types. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #34
I have heard that Houston is a liberal town. PassingFair Nov 2013 #32
Evidently not liberal enough. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #35
I'm glad you asked:Liberal Annise Parker PassingFair Nov 2013 #41
She is running again right now. texanwitch Nov 2013 #45
I lived in NYC for 30 years and Alameda Nov 2013 #54
Stuff like this happens in New York. texanwitch Nov 2013 #42
The classic case of bystanders ignoring their fellow human being occurred in New York City. former9thward Nov 2013 #43
This is not fair. Houstonian here. I got sucked into trying to help a stupid kid ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #46
these type of things have happened in Blue States also JI7 Nov 2013 #49
And this is why Stevenmarc Nov 2013 #21
Check out this guy's work momrois Nov 2013 #55
Thanks Stevenmarc Nov 2013 #56
The only "life" worth anything in Texas is a clump of cells, the blastocyte. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #28
The Sad Thing? ourfuneral Nov 2013 #31
nothing surprises me anymore heaven05 Nov 2013 #33
Maybe some just thought, Isoldeblue Nov 2013 #37
Are we human? cali Nov 2013 #38
I'm really not so sure. SoapBox Nov 2013 #40
I don't know the specifics of this case, but sometimes you can't tell maxsolomon Nov 2013 #39
I would make the call. ... JEFF9K Nov 2013 #47
Some people are just devoid of any common courtesy whatsoever juanrodriguezn248 Nov 2013 #50
Maybe no one knew he was dead? Anyone check a pulse? nt babylonsister Nov 2013 #52
Yeah, Sgt. Brian Harris, speak for yourself. You and yours are busy killing people. Th1onein Nov 2013 #53
Thats fuckin depressing. nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #57
This story serves as a warning to NOT act like these people did johnlucas Nov 2013 #58
that is so fucked up gopiscrap Nov 2013 #59
I remember as a kid decades ago in Boston seeing homeless people in the streets. valerief Nov 2013 #62
He was 1/2 naked, pants down yet no one even called for that. Take pictures instead. Blue Diadem Nov 2013 #63
this happened about four blocks from my house RussBLib Nov 2013 #64
They saw him as an object jsr Nov 2013 #65

question everything

(47,465 posts)
1. Recently, every major story has people "clicking" their cell phones
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:39 PM
Nov 2013

and I want to shout at them - is this what is so important?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
12. Some major stories have only become so because a bystander captured an image or video
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:17 PM
Nov 2013

that was contrary to the official story/explanation/claims.

Police videos primarily, but not exclusively. It is possible to aid others AND document the situation.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. You think that is bad-
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:39 PM
Nov 2013

Watch this video of a woman hitting a man who hung himself with a car!


happens 1:40 in video---



dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. Some people just drive past him, brushing against him.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:13 PM
Nov 2013

Although this prank COULD turn people off from helping anyone in a similar situatoin.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
20. When we were kids...we made a dummy stuffed with leaves...put it
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:37 PM
Nov 2013

lying in the center of the road with a rope over a limb and pulled it up suddenly just in front of an approaching car. What a fun experience! However, we got stopped by a cop...everyone ran but my brother got caught. He was threatened with arrest but ended up just getting a good tongue lashing as to how dangerous a prank like that could be and could have cause an accident. Needless to say...we never did that again...but have enjoyed telling the story to this day. lol

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
24. How does a man hang himself with a car?
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:47 PM
Nov 2013

Perhaps you meant to write "a woman in a car hit a man who had hung himself"?

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
5. I don't understand this behavior.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:47 PM
Nov 2013

Is is so hard to call 911 if someone is on the ground and not moving.

Maybe you don't want to touch the body but call 911.

One day these assholes may need help and no one will help them.

I was walking my dog along the bayou and found a man passed out on the grass.

I called 911, and then checked to see if he was alive.

The fire station was only a few blocks away, the poor man had a stroke.

He is ok now because I stopped to help.

I hope someone would step up and help me.

What goes around comes around.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
9. If you do call 911, be alert for a really stupid response.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:09 PM
Nov 2013

Came to work in the Miission District in San francisco, at 7:30 am, a man was laying unconscious on the sidewalk by the front door.
I checked to make sure he was breathing, then called 911 from my office inside the door.
Reported an unconscious man, breathing but not moving, not responding to voice or shoulder shaking.
Operator told me to give him CPR!!!!
I was CPR trained and certified annually, the guy was breathing....Duh.

Fast ambulance response time tho. They shook him for a few minutes till he moved a leg, then they loaded him into the ambulance.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
22. Wow. That 911 operator is an idiot. Never give CPR to someone who has a pulse and is breathing.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:40 PM
Nov 2013

Good that you called 911. Hope that idiot operator did not dissuade you from calling in the future.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
25. The fire station was so close by, the response time was quick.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:55 PM
Nov 2013

I could see he was breathing.

He was warm, he did not respond when I tried to talk to him.

I had CPR training several times.

It has come in handy.

Everybody should take it.

I am friends with both him and his family.

The dog knew something was wrong and ran ahead to the guy.

She was the hero in this.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
60. Bystander effect only comes into play with non-locals (Shoppers are the most common).
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:01 AM
Nov 2013

In situation where they is no one else and that is clear, most people will offer a stranger assistance.

The other big exception are locals. If you are in an area with high amount of traffic, most people will step over the body of someone needing help EXCEPT if the person being asked to give help live in the area. In such cases the locals help anyone who is in need of help.

Now, the local exception only applies to situation where the person in need of help is in the local area. For example in the famous case from the 1960s, the victim was attacks NOT in the Apartment complex overlooking where she was attacked, but outside it, and thus NOT a "Local" area in the minds of the apartment dwellers.

Now, recent research has indicated that most of the people in the apartment saw nothing and could NOT have seen anything. The one person who did see the attacked called the Police, so it does NOT look to be a by-stander situation but in the popular mind it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
8. We are a nation of spectators, trained to be helpless, useless voyers with compassion fatigue.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

I did CPR in the lobby of busy office building on a guy who went down right in front of 100 people. People were stepping over us to get into the elevator. 98% said nothing and pretended not to notice. It was me and one other low level staffer who loosened his tie and belt and compared notes about how fast to do compressions, etc. We were talking to him. He was gone. When EMT came they hit him with the paddles 10 times. The guy blew his last breath into my face.

What I learned from that incident was don't assume other people will step up AND when YOU step up, you should point at other people and tell them what to do. DON'T say "someone call 911" -- instead say "YOU in the red tie, Call 911 now! Lady in the red dress go get lobby security now!"

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. My G-d what have we become?
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:14 PM
Nov 2013

it wasn't that many years ago when after Hurricane Katrina there was outrage because bodies were lying in street uncollected for a day, now this?!!??

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
16. a country that cant abide by the Human Rights Declaration we signed
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:23 PM
Nov 2013

Housing IS a human right.
People are left on the streets to suffer and die.
Big Sue died on the sidewalk outside the Poverello House, Fresno's big resource for the homeless.
IF they will let you in for a meal. They discriminate against "troublemakers" and people who associate with people they do not approve of.

http://fresnoalliance.com/wordpress/?p=4259

that is what kind of country.
Let us direct our outrage to some right wing cable programming.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
29. sad truth people have become disposable
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:19 PM
Nov 2013

or maybe they were all along and that's why they're homeless in first place, there is no reason in reality, I think the housing actually exists but there is a mind-set that is so very afraid of someone getting "something for nothing" that for it some it seems preferable that people starve and die in the streets

KatyMan

(4,189 posts)
36. Some people are on the streets because they want to be
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:26 PM
Nov 2013

Sad but true. My wife works with a segment of the population that has difficulties with housing, families, etc. There are times when the person will not stay in the shelters or assisted living homes. They choose the streets. This incident happened on the west side of downtown, where there are always "homeless" people around.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
48. "some people say" that
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 07:48 PM
Nov 2013

as opposed to being in a warm home?
NOT LIKELY.
As opposed to being cooped up with dangerous folks?
Yeah, that is the truth.
Give them the homes they need, not the programs that fail to do anything
except move money into open pockets.
Sad but true?
not really.
Its called logic, and it will help us all evolve

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
17. Bystander effect?
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:24 PM
Nov 2013
- Is that what they're calling a total loss of human decency these days? I'm not in the least surprised. This is the same way we let our government just lie there and die while everyone's assuming someone else will fix it.

K&R
 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
18. Sad, but not surprising in Republican Jesusland.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:27 PM
Nov 2013

Texans probably looked at the man and wondered what he had ever done to deserve help.

Compassionate conservatism in action.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
27. Not all of us.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:02 PM
Nov 2013

This happens all over.

Not all Texans are like this, no more then any other place.

A lot of non Texans move here.

We have jobs.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
34. True, but you have more than your share of these types.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:06 PM
Nov 2013

And they appear to dominate the political landscape there.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
41. I'm glad you asked:Liberal Annise Parker
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:41 PM
Nov 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annise_Parker

You know, people walk past dead homeless people in New York, too.
Doesn't mean that New Yorkers are all stupid republicans.....

Alameda

(1,895 posts)
54. I lived in NYC for 30 years and
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:56 PM
Nov 2013

many many times I passed by people laying in the streets. I always checked on them, but most the time they were passed out from drugs or booze. One time it was a decoy cop. I knocked on many windows with a Taxi driver sleeping in them with the engine running. People were annoyed at me for bothering them. It's hard to know what to do, but I still can't pass by someone laying down looking dead on the street, without checking.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
42. Stuff like this happens in New York.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:52 PM
Nov 2013

I know I was there for two months when I was in the Army.

I was waiting to go to Europe.

We had a lot of free time to explore the city.

I saw four people laying on ground, people walking past them.

It happens everywhere.

I would never say every one in New York was like this.

Like I said no everyone in Texas was born here, many move here.

They bring there attitudes with them.

This started in the 80's with Reagan in office.

Lots of people started to move here, lots.

Texas started to change then.

We did have republicans but they didn't run the state.

We had Bill Hobby for Lt. Gov for 18 years, a democrat.

In Texas the Lt. Gov runs the state, not the Governor.

It has been a slow and steady decline.

Our cities are liberal, very blue.

I am sad to read this happen in my city.

But to suggest everyone in Houston or Texas is like this isn't very nice.










I would never have walked by a person like that, never.

I am native born, for several generations.

Some people just don't give a damn, where ever they live.

former9thward

(31,970 posts)
43. The classic case of bystanders ignoring their fellow human being occurred in New York City.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:53 PM
Nov 2013

The stabbing murder of Kitty Genovese where she was stabbed and raped over a 30 minute period and neighbors ignored her screams.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
46. This is not fair. Houstonian here. I got sucked into trying to help a stupid kid
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:04 PM
Nov 2013

in the grocery store doing the milk jug smash gag. In other words, he did it on purposed. I freaked out and tried to help. I'm sure I'm laughed at on video everywhere.

Sorry, person, but idiots and the unhelpful live in your city as well.

Thank you.

Stevenmarc

(4,483 posts)
21. And this is why
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:38 PM
Nov 2013

as a photographer I completely despise the homeless shot, because people think is artsy and urban and gritty. It's a shot that needs a photographer that has the ability to show the humanity in their subject and they are few and far between, unfortunately there are too many talent-less snapshotists who better serve humanity if they stick to taking selfies and shots of their lunch to fulfill their Instagram fix.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
28. The only "life" worth anything in Texas is a clump of cells, the blastocyte.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:08 PM
Nov 2013

But once born, it's just another worthless moocher sucking at the Government teat. So says Texas.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
33. nothing surprises me anymore
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:05 PM
Nov 2013

just sad about the uncaring attitude that the meanness of this country has generated. See it and experience meanness and rudeness every time I go out nowadays. We're getting desensitized to all things violent and obscene.

maxsolomon

(33,284 posts)
39. I don't know the specifics of this case, but sometimes you can't tell
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:36 PM
Nov 2013

In the mornings, I see homeless sleeping under layers of tarps and blankets. I see homeless slumped over in doorways under thick clothing, hoods pulled down tight. Sometimes, you can't tell if there's a human being in there, let alone if they're alive, dead, or in need of help.

I am NOT going to go check for a pulse and have a schizophrenic pull a knife on me. Like one did on a cop outside my office last Friday. I'm not stupid.

I'm also not taking a picture, though. There's nothing arty about destitution.

 
50. Some people are just devoid of any common courtesy whatsoever
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:43 PM
Nov 2013

I bet the asses taking photos of the poor deceased man are Randian, Tea Party types. The kind of people who feel that the dead homeless guy is a "good-for-nothing moocher", or something like that. Sickening...

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
58. This story serves as a warning to NOT act like these people did
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:38 AM
Nov 2013

A lot of people here are saying "I would NEVER do that" if they were in that situation.
I guarantee you many of you ignore other injustices every day without a thought.
It's easy to say it when you're not in the heat of the moment.

But we wouldn't have terms like "the bystander effect" if the rule was that people helped each other when someone was down.
Easy to say you wouldn't be like this but let's see how you act when put to the test.

People at heart are self-focused, selfish.
People at heart are also lazy.
And more people than not tend to follow the rule of the crowd.
So if the crowd ignores then that individual wanting to fit in & not stick out will do the same.

Maybe it's not a homeless man who died in the streets.
Maybe it's the workplace & a socially-shunned employee who has done nothing negative to anybody but is bullied verbally & professionally at the job.
Do you dare to stick up for that co-worker & stick out in the process potentially receiving his/her abuse?
Or do you bow your head & lay low for fear of angering the cliques which torment that co-worker?
Cliques that also including the bossess/managers themselves.
Do you stand up for that employee DIRECTLY in the face of the tormentors or do you wait until they're gone & speak supportive words to the co-worker then?
When they come back do you run & hide after that support?

Big game people talk. But only a few will walk.

Maybe this story teaches you & tests you to not become the callous crowd.
Maybe you will pay more attention to the downtrodden of EVERY kind & do it when it counts.
Openly Directly Publicly.

We'll see.
John Lucas

valerief

(53,235 posts)
62. I remember as a kid decades ago in Boston seeing homeless people in the streets.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:10 AM
Nov 2013

They were everywhere. And lots more after Vietnam.

Blue Diadem

(6,597 posts)
63. He was 1/2 naked, pants down yet no one even called for that. Take pictures instead.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:32 AM
Nov 2013

They did say someone put a sweatshirt over him but still didn't call police. When did our world become so uncaring?

RussBLib

(9,006 posts)
64. this happened about four blocks from my house
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:07 AM
Nov 2013

..and that is an area that I frankly do not traverse, hardly ever. Not because it's "dangerous" or anything like that, just because it is rather out of my typical travels in Houston.

We do have a fair number of homeless on the streets of Houston. And yes, some are there by choice, believe it or not. I have actually talked to a few who told me that to my face. I've worked in food banks and homeless shelters now and then and the numbers are almost staggering. It's estimated that Houston is "home" to about 30,000 homeless. Thanks to the recent reduction in food stamps, the food banks are going to be really straining, but that's another post.

There are frankly so many sleeping outside here that it becomes somewhat the norm. The weather is usually decent enough to sleep outside, even in the winter. Most seem to be actually sleeping, and you don't find many people who will check on a guy sleeping on a sidewalk or under an alcove. If they are naked, bloody, or splayed in an awkward position, people will generally stop to inquire. But if it just looks like they're sleeping, most people won't stop. Especially downtown and in the immediate surroundings, which used to be where the poor would gather, as the wealthier all moved out from downtown. Old "Freedman's Town" in the "Fourth Ward" still has many old shotgun houses inhabited by poor people, scattered next to three-story gleaming town homes. Gentrification is happening all over Houston inside Loop 610, close to downtown.

My thought is that the area where this guy was found is frequented by a lot of young people. Midtown has become a mecca for new bars, clubs and restaurants. On the weekends it is crawling with young adults looking for a good time. Most have their heads down, staring at their phones. Or they're already drunk, looking to fuck with something. I think seeing homeless people is unusual for these "kids" and they'd be just as likely to snap a picture on their phone as they would be to just walk on by or look the other direction.

It's sad, but not really that surprising. Many of these homeless don't have family anywhere. Many of them have family but their family doesn't know where they are. Many have mental issues. The State of Texas shut down most of their state-run mental facilities several years ago and literally dumped those people on the streets of Texas' big cities. (GOP in action).

I'm sure that in the wake of this story, people will pay more attention, for awhile. Then they will go back to their normal habits of looking the other way. This is life in the big city these days.

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