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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:48 AM Nov 2013

Afghan opium crop hits record high ahead of Western withdrawal - U.N.

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Afghan opium cultivation has hit a record high as international forces prepare to leave the country, the United Nations said on Wednesday, with concern that profits will go to warlords jockeying for power ahead of a presidential election next year.

The expansion of poppy to 209,000 hectares (516,000 acres), will embarrass Afghanistan's aid donors after more than 10 years of efforts to wean farmers off the crop, fight corruption and cut links between drugs and the Taliban insurgency.

"The short-term prognosis is not positive," said Jean-Luc Lemahieu, head of the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) in Afghanistan.

"The illicit economy is establishing itself, and seems to be taking over in importance from the licit economy."

Afghanistan is the world's top cultivator of the poppy, from which opium and heroin are produced. Last year, it accounted for 75 percent of global supply and Lemahieu had previously said this year it might supply 90 percent.



Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/13/uk-afghanistan-opium-idUKBRE9AC06V20131113

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Afghan opium crop hits record high ahead of Western withdrawal - U.N. (Original Post) dipsydoodle Nov 2013 OP
Didn't I read, somewhere, that the Taliban forbade it, and it wasn't a problem. delrem Nov 2013 #1
They did / still do dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #2
Taliban forbade it by private farmers cosmicone Nov 2013 #5
Says the people who grew and sold the stuff. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #7
Taliban cut production by 95% in 2001. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #15
yes iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #9
They forbid alot of things that their leaders then do Marrah_G Nov 2013 #13
yup--Air America in the 70s, Contras in the 80s MisterP Nov 2013 #16
did the mainstream press cover that drug pipeline and question those at the top of gov't about it? yurbud Nov 2013 #17
Another stirring Neolib economic success story. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #3
What will Afghanistan do when the U.S. military no longer protects this illegal crop? dotymed Nov 2013 #4
They lose. The legalization of weed is going to change the drug scene more than the so-called "war kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #6
Afghanistan is also one of the world's leading cannabis producers. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #11
I think I read something just last week about the terrible heroin addiction leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #8
We don't hear anything about opium use among the troops Ace Acme Nov 2013 #18
There was a lot of drug use by troops in the Viet Nam war. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #19
It would surprise me if it's not a problem. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #21
so the backward, illiterate Taliban were able to cut it over 90% but the world's only superpower... yurbud Nov 2013 #10
You can have your war on terror or you can have your war on drugs, but not both. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #12
Just ask any DEA man there ain't nothing,,,,,,,,,,, benld74 Nov 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #20

delrem

(9,688 posts)
1. Didn't I read, somewhere, that the Taliban forbade it, and it wasn't a problem.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:57 AM
Nov 2013

Am I wrong?

I remember in the days of the Vietnam war (that isn't how the Vietnamese name it, but .. ho.. hum), that opium was the narcotic of choice for the CIA/military. Suddenly the supply in the golden triangle found a way to market.

I think in those days we had a more honest or, perhaps, less corrupt press.



 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
5. Taliban forbade it by private farmers
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 09:02 AM
Nov 2013

but they actively sold it themselves to raise funds for their war machine with the tacit help of Pakistani ISI.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
7. Says the people who grew and sold the stuff.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:58 AM
Nov 2013

We know the Taliban eradicated the poppies in the fields.

NATO seems to guard the fields and work with the drug lords.

Question is, who controls the trade going out of Afghanistan and the money?

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
15. Taliban cut production by 95% in 2001.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:05 PM
Nov 2013

BBC says that a former Pakistani diplomat was told in July 2001 that a military operation to overthrow Taliban was being planned for mid-October, before the snow falls. (3)

The US began bombing on October 7. Kabul fell a month later, and the opium crop in 2002 was of normal levels. I don't know what all kind of industrial effort it takes to seed a country's opium crop, but I'm impressed that the stuff could be banned in 2001 and have a normal crop in 2002 (planting season is mid-October to mid-November (1)). This suggests to me that suppliers of seeds anticipated the change in the opium policy and were ready to distribute the seeds. By 2004, production was at an all-time high, with 140,000 hectares in cultivation. (2) Currently 209,000 hectares are in cultivation. (1)

Afghanistan has a million opium addicts. One of the reasons the Soviet invasion failed is because so many of their soldiers became addicts. The possibility that many of our troops there have nasty opium habits is something I've never seen discussed.
It's pretty hard to hide a field full of red poppies.



1.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=244926635
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Afghanistan_opium_poppy_cultivation_1994-2007b.PNG
3. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
9. yes
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:35 PM
Nov 2013

but it still went on...

local warlords make tons of money off it and it supports local poor farmers ... so even the Taliban would let them get away with it...
but yes, their public stance is that mind altering substances are against the muslim faith :p

there are tons of documentaries about this subject, should be able to find one if curious...

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
17. did the mainstream press cover that drug pipeline and question those at the top of gov't about it?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:42 PM
Nov 2013

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
4. What will Afghanistan do when the U.S. military no longer protects this illegal crop?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:55 AM
Nov 2013

"We" have soldiers risking their lives daily to protect the heroin dealers crops.
I believe that commercial poppy farming is illegal world-wide, even in Afghanistan.

How openly corrupt can "our" administration be?

Guard the oil and poppy fields. This is what our soldiers are told.

I was watching "Mobsters" on teevee yesterday. At the end of the show (based on actual events), they told what happened to each major mobster in the film.

Most died peacefully after Lucky Luciano took over and installed a board of directors instead of one capo. He modeled this after large corporations.

Mayer Lansky (they had many Jewish mobsters too) "died peacefully in his sleep, of old age, as one of the richest men in America."

Has wall st. taken over the mob or has the mob taken over wall st.?
In the end it is all the same. The thieves and murderers become very wealthy (and socially "rock stars&quot while hard work and obeying the rules get you nowhere.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
6. They lose. The legalization of weed is going to change the drug scene more than the so-called "war
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:31 AM
Nov 2013

on drugs."

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
8. I think I read something just last week about the terrible heroin addiction
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:26 PM
Nov 2013

problem they have in Afghanistan. Whole families are addicted.

They have a huge meth addiction problem in N. Korea.

But, you know, if I had to live like those poor people do I would probably be an addict, too. Their daily lives are just so hard.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
18. We don't hear anything about opium use among the troops
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:51 PM
Nov 2013

I understand that addiction was a factor in the USSR's inability to prevail in their ten-year war there.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
19. There was a lot of drug use by troops in the Viet Nam war.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:30 AM
Nov 2013

It wouldn't surprise me at all if heroin use isn't a problem with the troops.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
21. It would surprise me if it's not a problem.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:26 PM
Nov 2013

But since there's been no exposure of any problem I wonder if they've been keeping the problem troops in field to delay the day when they come home and reveal the problem.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
10. so the backward, illiterate Taliban were able to cut it over 90% but the world's only superpower...
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:43 PM
Nov 2013

presided over dramatic increases in output?

A Brit ambassador to neighboring Uzbekistan had a great column on what he saw, though he didn't quite connect all the dots:

It now exports not opium, but heroin. Opium is converted into heroin on an industrial scale, not in kitchens but in factories. Millions of gallons of the chemicals needed for this process are shipped into Afghanistan by tanker. The tankers and bulk opium lorries on the way to the factories share the roads, improved by American aid, with Nato troops.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-469983/Britain-protecting-biggest-heroin-crop-time.html#ixzz2kXp0hho8

UN report on drug money keeping banks afloat:
https://web.archive.org/web/20091108072620/http://www.vancouversun.com/news/story.html?id=1269889

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. You can have your war on terror or you can have your war on drugs, but not both.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:50 PM
Nov 2013

Putting pressure on the opium economy threatens to drive farmers and others into the arms of the Taliban, undercutting war on terror efforts.

It's a no-win choice for the West: Attack opium and alienate large numbers of the population, or let it alone and allow the Taliban to buy lots of shiny new weapons with the profits.

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