CDC Belatedly Reveals That Smoking By Teenagers Dropped While Vaping Rose
Source: Forbes
Last September the CDC noted with alarm that the percentage of teenagers who had tried electronic cigarettes doubled between 2011 and 2012. Many teens who start with e-cigarettes may be condemned to struggling with a lifelong addiction to nicotine and conventional cigarettes, CDC Director Tom Frieden worried. In a Medscape interview a few weeks later, Frieden suggested that fear had already materialized, asserting that many kids are starting out with e-cigarettes and then going on to smoke conventional cigarettes. Yet the CDCs data, which came from the 2012 National Youth Tobacco Survey (NYTS), did not support that claim. In fact, nine out of 10 high school students who reported vaping in the previous month were already cigarette smokers, suggesting that the increase in e-cigarette consumption might signal successful harm reduction. Last week the CDC reported additional NYTS data that further undermine Friedens claim, showing that smoking among teenagers fell as vaping rose.
Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/11/20/cdc-belatedly-reveals-that-smoking-by-teenagers-dropped-while-vaping-rose/
Warpy
(111,124 posts)I'd also rather see them sucking on e-cigs than chewing because the latter has a high rate of head and neck cancers and we're not very good at curing those without disfiguring the patients.
What I'd really like to see carding at are the hookah bars.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)with the help of personal vaporizers. I would chew during the day (basically at work) and smoke in the morning and evening. I was always more fearful of the damage from chewing than from smoking. PV's have been a real life-saver for me and when I see shite like this it makes my blood boil. I'm sure this will not deter Tom Frieden and the CDC though. They will, likely, continue their anti-PV campaign unabated.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)back in the day, it was pot and hash
Warpy
(111,124 posts)Because the smoke is cooled and tastes like candy, users tend to inhale more of it much more deeply into their lungs.
They need to keep the kiddies out.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)... and we're all adults here, right? (wink wink)."
Who didn't see THAT coming?
Warpy
(111,124 posts)and I'd rather see them preening with e-cigs than the real thing. Yes, they'll get addicted to nicotine with those just as efficiently as they do with smoking but it won't damage them as severely as smoking does.
I wish the CDC would back off the PV regulation by age and go after those hookah bars. Those places need to card.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Propylene Glycol (yeah, but look how much of your food contains that too <G> , with various flavors.
And you can drop to Vegetable Oil with flavoring only at some point if you want.
Warpy
(111,124 posts)because smokers taper themselves down, taking only enough drags to satisfy cravings rather than smoking to the end of the butt because those things are expensive.
I know quite a few who quit that way. Now it's just flavored vapor.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)IMO, is not supported by fact. I'm not sure there is a single study on the addictive quality of nicotine that is not related to inhaling combusted tobacco smoke. It could just as well happen that when kids outgrow the desire to appear as adults, they walk away from PV's altogether. We know for sure, however, that that is not going to so easily happen with cigarettes.
I found it less addictive even when I was up on very, VERY high nicotine levels to quit smoking.
I could walk away from the vaporizer for a while, something I could never do with the cigarettes.
Nowadays, it's a non-issue as my nicotine levels are very low and at this point I'm aware it's mostly the remaining hand to mouth habit and not much else. Walking away for hours is easy, with no withdrawal symptoms.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)I vape A LOT...but I can be distracted...when I smoked, I wished there was a cigarette as long as Pinocchio's nose after a thousand lies...cause I never wanted to end my smoking...when one was done..I lighted up another...
Now I vape all the time..but put it down hours at a time.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Big tobacco has them.
Vapes do not.
That is why.
MAOI inhibitors can be dangerous, even deadly, when combined with seemingly innocuous things like Stilton cheese.
They are the reason that nicotine from retail cigarettes is so much more addictive than vape nicotine.
Mosby
(16,255 posts)The nic in e-cigs and NRTs is liquid and is about as addictive as caffeine.
That's why NRTs work, they allow the user to break the strong addiction and replace it with something very mild that can then be easily reduced.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)E-cigarette vaporizers being used for illegal purposes, police watching marijuana use with devices
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/health/e-cigarette-vaporizers-being-used-for-illegal-purposes-police-watching-marijuana-use-with-devices
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:53 PM - Edit history (1)
Let me say this:
Many kids get rebellious at Puberty and "Smoking" in back of the Barn and Sipping that Moon Shine was part of growing up back before and around the time of the Movie: "American Graffiti."
Folks started to ban the Cigs and where did the Rebellious Go? Hooked on "More and Better Buzz" for money...playing into the Drug Dealers Hands.
Whatever...I figure this post will go over like "lead balloon" but...My Point is that if you can let the Rebellious SNEAK and not raise the Bar to Cocaine (choice of the Rich) or Mainlining (the Street) then some kids might just get sick of the health effects of the Cigs before they go further..
I know this is silly and simplistic...but, letting kids Rebel on Minor...to me...at least keeps them from getting into more dibilitating drugs.
But....I realize. CIGARETTES...KILL ......not like the rest don't destroy lives, too..but much more quickly.
Yeah...I know...but, just throwing this out there to see the POO SLING!
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)You will probably get skewered for it by most everyone else, but you are making a good point and it is something worth thinking about.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)dementia.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)My wife and I were at an event recently sponsored by one of the big e-cig corporations. The air will filled with nasty, chemical laced 'vapor.' It was visible and smelled like mildew.
Eventually the CDC will regulate this new addiction delivery device.
Again, Don't ban it, just continue to tighten public restrictions on airborne drug delivery... I mean smoking.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)Do any data to back up such assertions? Cause I have data that says you're full of it:
Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08958378.2012.724728
One of the main ingrediants in e-liquid is propylene glycol. From the EPA on PG:
"Propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol were first registered in 1950 and 1959, respectively, by the FDA for use in hospitals as air disinfectants."
"Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; laundry equipment; hard non-porous surface treatments (bathroom facilities); automobiles; air conditioning filters; pet treatment, including cats, dogs, and caged birds; environmental inanimate hard surfaces; garbage containers/storage."
"Target Pests: Odor-causing bacteria, Fleas, Mites, Red lice, Animal pathogenic bacteria (G- and G+ vegetative), Shigella bacteria, Pasteurella bacteria, Listeria bacteria, Herpes Simplex I and II, Animal viruses, Influenza Virus A2, Aspergillus Niger Fungus, Mold/Mildew, Pseudomonas SPP., Shigella Flexneri, Shigella Sonnei."
"General Toxicity Observations:Upon reviewing the available toxicity information, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol. This conclusion is based on the results of toxicity testing of propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol in which dose levels near or above testing limits (as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines) were employed in experimental animal studies and no significant toxicity observed."
"Carcinogenicity Classification: A review of the available data has shown propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol to be negative for carcinogenicity in studies conducted up to the testing limit doses established by the Agency; therefore, no further carcinogenic analysis is required."
Read More: http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregistration/REDs/propylene_glycol_red.pdf
Better not visit the hospital anytime soon lest you be, again, exposed to "nasty, chemical laced 'vapor."
The 2nd main ingredient is vegetable Ggycerin. On vegetable glycerin. On vegetable glycerin:
Food industryes, glycerol serves as a humectant, solvent, and sweetener, and may help preserve foods. It is also used as filler in commercially prepared low-fat foods (e.g., cookies), and as a thickening agent in liqueurs. Glycerol and water are used to preserve certain types of leaves.[6] As a sugar substitute, it has approximately 27 kilocalories per teaspoon (sugar has 20) and is 60% as sweet as sucrose. It does not feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities. As a food additive, glycerol is labeled as E number E422. It is added to icing (frosting) to prevent it setting too hard.
As used in foods, glycerol is categorized by the American Dietetic Association as a carbohydrate. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) carbohydrate designation includes all caloric macronutrients excluding protein and fat. Glycerol has a caloric density similar to table sugar, but a lower glycemic index and different metabolic pathway within the body, so some dietary advocates accept glycerol as a sweetener compatible with low carbohydrate diets.
Pharmaceutical and personal care applications
Glycerol suppositories used as laxatives
Glycerol is used in medical and pharmaceutical and personal care preparations, mainly as a means of improving smoothness, providing lubrication and as a humectant. It is found in allergen immunotherapies, cough syrups, elixirs and expectorants, toothpaste, mouthwashes, skin care products, shaving cream, hair care products, soaps and water-based personal lubricants. In solid dosage forms like tablets, glycerol is used as a tablet holding agent. For human consumption, glycerol is classified by the U.S. FDA among the sugar alcohols as a caloric macronutrient.
Glycerol is a component of glycerin soap. Essential oils are added for fragrance. This kind of soap is used by people with sensitive, easily-irritated skin because it prevents skin dryness with its moisturizing properties. It draws moisture up through skin layers and slows or prevents excessive drying and evaporation.[citation needed] With similar benefits, glycerin is a common ingredient in many bath salts recipes. However, some assert that due to glycerin's moisture absorbing properties, it can be more of a hindrance than a benefit.
Glycerol can be used as a laxative when introduced into the rectum in suppository or small-volume (210 ml) (enema) form; it irritates the anal mucosa and induces a hyperosmotic effect.[8]
Taken orally (often mixed with fruit juice to reduce its sweet taste), glycerol can cause a rapid, temporary decrease in the internal pressure of the eye. This can be a useful initial emergency treatment of severely elevated eye pressure.
Botanical extracts
When utilized in 'tincture' method extractions, specifically as a 10% solution, glycerol prevents tannins from precipitating in ethanol extracts of plants (tinctures). It is also used as an 'alcohol-free' alternative to ethanol as a solvent in preparing herbal extractions. It is less extractive when utilized in a standard tincture methodology. Glycerol is approximately 30% more slowly absorbed by the body resulting in a much lower glycemic load. Alcohol-based tinctures can also have the alcohol removed and replaced with glycerol for its preserving properties. Such products are not 'alcohol-free' in either a scientific or consumable sense, but should in all instances more accurately be referred to as "Alcohol-Removed" products. Fluid extract manufacturers often extract herbs in hot water before adding glycerin to make glycerites.
When used as a primary 'true' alcohol-free (e.g. no alcohol (i.e. ethanol) ever being used) botanical extraction solvent in innovative non-tincture based 'dynamic' methodologies, glycerol has been shown to possess a high degree of extractive versatility for botanicals including removal of numerous constituents and complex compounds, with an extractive power that can rival that of alcohol and water/alcohol solutions. That glycerol possess such high extractive power assumes that glycerol, with its tri-atomic structure, is utilized with dynamic methodologies as opposed to standard passive 'tincturing' methodologies that are better suited to alcohol's di-atomic structure. Glycerol possesses the intrinsic property of not denaturing or rendering a botanical's constituents inert (as di-atomic alcohols i.e. ethanolic (grain) alcohol, methanolic (wood) alcohol, etc., do). Glycerol is a stable preserving agent for botanical extracts that, when utilized in proper concentrations in an extraction solvent base, does not allow inverting or reduction-oxidation of a finished extract's constituents, even over several years. Both glycerol and ethanol are viable preserving agents. Glycerol is bacteriostatic in its action, and ethanol is bactericidal in its action.
Read More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol#Applications
Oh snap! The only chemical laced vapor around doesn't have anything to do with electronic cigarettes. What were you doing at an e-cig "event" BTW?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Blu eCigs presents Dita Von Teese "Burlesque Strip Strip Hooray!"
http://thetowerphilly.com/event/02004B0EC6A6C8D9
And nobody at DU is fooled by the embedded e-cig vendors here.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)You were at a Dita Von Teese show and it was the vapor that smelled like mildew? I'm sure the venue smells like lavendar and roses without those nasty vapers there. "Embedded e-cig vendor"? I've been here a lot longer than e-cigs have existed. Almost as long as you... If I'm an embedded e-cig vendor, you're an embedded Apple PR rep.
That was funny.
Treant
(1,968 posts)Some of the flavors are downright rank.
I've found that some of the tobacco flavors available aren't pleasant to others (read: me), and generally the more opaque the name of the flavor the less likely I am to enjoy the scent when near it.
So if it's named "Simple Mint" I'm likely to enjoy it.
If it's "Fairy Dust and Dragon's Blood" I'm not likely to enjoy it.
My own is simple menthol with a tiny touch of cinnamon and a wee bit of chocolate to round it out. Very simple, rather weak, and nobody ever complains.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)I don't get to vape a couple of my favorites because my wife doesn't like the smell. Most that I vape, though, are odorless or slightly sweet smelling. However, if we are going to base public policy on personal preference, where does it end. Should we ban strong perfumes and colognes? Chemical air fresheners? Coffee houses? Restaurants? In most public places I tend to stealth-vape and exhale little to no visible vapor anyway.
Treant
(1,968 posts)the "don't annoy people" rule. So I pretty much don't vape where smoking isn't allowed, nor where it could annoy somebody.
As a general rule, I appreciate it if people do the same. With stealthing it, if I can't smell it, it doesn't exist--and hence, no annoyance on anybody who's reasonable's part.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...because its the same exact stuff.
Being a person that vapes myself, I know that your story is full of crap, but still.
beevul
(12,194 posts)In your less than objective opinion.
Smoking by definition, includes combustion.
Vapes do not include any combustion.
Clean air studies have confirmed what we who vape already knew - that there is nothing to be concerned about from second hand "vapor".
"Because I don't like it" isn't good enough to ratchet public restrictions the way you'd like, sorry.
"Eventually the CDC will regulate this new addiction delivery device."
Spoken like someone with no first hand ...or relevant knowledge about vapes.
Did you buy into reefer madness too?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)What will restrict the usage of e-cigs is the fact that you can load them with anything. In units loaded with nicotine, the 'vapor' expelled by the smoker contains nicotine.
There has been wide coverage of people loading them with illegal drugs and using them in public.
Where I live smoking has been banned in public parks. They recently added e-cigs as well.
Trust me. They will be grandfathered into public smoking laws.
Mothers don't want Heroin blown in their babies' faces.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20131017mesa-police-arrest-tempe-man-using-electronic-cigarette-smoke-heroin-abrk.html
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Hyperbole aside, I think people are doing weed with vaporizers, not heroin.
jayfish
(10,037 posts)All I see is the same syndicated story about industrially produced medical marijuana being used with PV batteries. You can't just put any old drug into a PV, made to vaporize vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol, and have it work. Your desperation on this topic is just, well, weird.
ON EDIT: The air was filled with particulate matter. That matter was H2O.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Where does the filtering happen that removes all of nicotine ...or whatever?
Is this magic performed in the device itself? So what reaches the lungs of the smoker is nothing but water vapor?
So let's assume that the magic did it's thing. Why add anything at all? It would never reach the smoker.
Wait... Is the magic performed in the lungs of the smoker? Is 'vaping' a magical action in itself?
Oh, and there's a thing called Internet Search. Try searching for: e-cigarette drugs
The Heroin story, which you ignored, plus much more is out there...
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The makers of e-cigarettes say that the ingredients are safe, but inhaling a substance is not the same as swallowing it. There are questions about how safe it is to inhale some substances in the e-cigarette vapor into the lungs. E-cigarettes are not labeled with their ingredients, so the user doesnt know whats in them. The amounts of nicotine and other substances a person gets from each cartridge are also unclear.
A study done by the FDA found cancer-causing substances in half the e-cigarette samples tested. Other impurities were also found, including one sample with diethylene glycol, a toxic ingredient found in antifreeze.
Studies have shown that e-cigarettes can cause short-term lung changes that are much like those caused by regular cigarettes. But long-term health effects are still unclear. This is an active area of research, and the safety of these products is currently unknown.
Electronic cigarettes are designed to deliver nicotine, and nicotine is an addictive substance. This strongly suggests that e-cigarette use will lead to dependence, unless the user weans him or herself from them.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/questionsaboutsmokingtobaccoandhealth/questions-about-smoking-tobacco-and-health-e-cigarettes
jayfish
(10,037 posts)The levels of nicotine in exhaled vapour are low. In fact, nicotine was detected in vapour exhaled directly into a 10 litre test vessel but was not detected in an 8m3 room testv. Indeed, the Clearstream study[vi] confirms that nicotine levels found in indoor air after vaping are extremely low:
Nicotine concentration in the air from the traditional cigarettes was on average 0.034mg/m3, while for the electronic cigarette it was less than 0.001mg/m3.
http://www.ecita.org.uk/blog/index.php/how-much-nicotine-is-absorbed-following-electronic-cigarette-use/
http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf
As far as that FDA "study" goes; it's old and widely regarded as junk using unknown samples form Chinese manufacturers.
For a more recent study:
http://junkscience.com/2013/08/09/study-chemicals-in-electronic-cigarettes-pose-minimal-health-risk/
I didn't ignore the Heroin story BTW. Although the sensational headline says the person was arrested for smoking heroine in an e-cig, the story itself says otherwise.
Even if there was heroine in the PV it was being wasted. I can't waste anymore time on this subject with you. You've made up your mind and all the facts in the world won't change it.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)This Just In: Beef Industry Says Red Meat Is Health Food!
And that article says that the guy was smoking Heroin with an electronic cigarette in at least three different places.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
beevul
(12,194 posts)That's what you're doing.
You know you're doing it. We (everyone in this thread other than you) know you're doing it.
Beyond that, have fun with your crusade, Ahab.
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)but it wasn't vapor. Vapor dissipates almost instantly, it doesn't hang about in a cloud.
TheKentuckian
(25,018 posts)and that doesn't smell at all depending on what I'm puffing.
I was at a non smoking friends house and was heading outside for a puff and he said why are you going out, need some air and I told him I was going to puff and he said why? What are you going to do, make my house smell good - oh no.