BREAKING: Nuclear Deal Reached Between Iran, 6 Powers (Obama: 'New Path Toward a World More Secure')

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Source: Associated Press / Reuters / CBS News

@AP: BREAKING: French foreign minister: Iran, 6 world powers reach deal on Iranian nuclear program

@AP: BREAKING: Obama to make statement Saturday night on Iran nuclear deal from the White House

Nuclear deal reached between Iran, 6 powers

REUTERS
November 23, 2013, 10:56 PM ET

GENEVA - Iran and six world powers have reached an agreement on curbing Iran's nuclear program in exchange for limited sanctions relief, several delegations in the talks said early Sunday.

"We have reached an agreement," Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif announced on his Twitter feed.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius also confirmed the deal.

No details of the agreement reached were immediately available.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-digs-in-heels-on-nuclear-enrichment

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UPDATES:

@ajam: Obama on Iran nuclear deal: "While today's announcement is just a first step, it achieves a great deal." http://t.co/4V1QKpk8zJ

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/23/breaking-world-powersreachnucleardealwithiranofficialssay.html

World powers reach nuclear deal with Iran at Geneva talks

November 23, 2013 9:18PM ET

Negotiators say they have reached a deal on Iran's nuclear program and sanctions

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The deal – struck after negotiations in Geneva that stretched into the early hours of Sunday (late Saturday in the U.S.) – has "opened a new path toward a world that is more secure," President Barack Obama said in an address broadcast live on television networks.

"While today's announcement is just a first step, it achieves a great deal," Obama said.

Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif echoed Obama's point that the deal is just the beginning of a political rapprochement.

"We need to start moving in the direction of restoring confidence, a direction in which we have managed to move against in the past," Zarif said.

Obama said the deal includes "substantial limitations which will prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon."

MORE AT LINK

@AP: MORE: The discussions between the US and Iran were kept hidden even from America's closest friends: http://t.co/3YG56LXPhH -RAS

@rezamarashi: Kerry slams the Bush administrain for rejecting #Iran's 2003 offer! Says we're in a worse place now because of their mistake. #Beautiful

CNN Breaking News - Deal with Iran halts progress on its nuclear program and provides for intrusive inspections, U.S. official says. Reply STOP 2 unsub

CNN Breaking News - President Obama said 6-month deal includes limitations to "help prevent Iran from creating a nuclear weapon." Reply STOP 2 unsub

CNN Breaking News - The deal with Iran does not roll back the "vast majority of sanctions," U.S. Secretary of State Kerry said. Reply STOP 2 unsub

@AP: Key players in the US, Iran secret talks that helped lead to nuclear deal: http://t.co/FGbG34JQ73 -RAS

[Drunken Irishman]

1. Thank you Pres. Obama and Sec. Kerry!

Great to see diplomacy over war!

[NastyRiffraff]

3. I second that

But I don't think we'll have to wait long for the Republican charge of selling out our country.

[Drunken Irishman]

4. Oh, I count on it.

[Heather MC]

37. I am prepared for the Obama is letting the Mooslims take over Amerikkka talk!

If Rush Limpballs is pissed, then we know it's a great thing for America!!!!

[riderinthestorm]

66. +100000 nt

[alp227]

2. Washington Post: Iran, world powers reach historic nuclear deal with Iran

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kerry-in-geneva-raising-hopes-for-historic-nuclear-deal-with-iran/2013/11/23/53e7bfe6-5430-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_singlePage.html

[avebury]

5. So far both CNN and FOX seem to

be ignoring the news.

[Purveyor]

12. CNN International is going 'wall to wall' with this if you can get the channel. I'm watching off

ROKU Nowhere TV.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

6. Sanctions work. Diplomacy works. War does not. Obama playing the LONG game

and winning. I was telling my rethuglican connections at work and elsewhere early in Obama's presidency that he would yield more than Bush or others ever had on Iran, and it is so great to be vindicated!!

This is a great day for first steps toward more cooperation among powers in the mideast.

[awoke_in_2003]

11. It is amazing...

how sometimes just talking to someone for a change can do the trick.

[Old Union Guy]

57. Blinded by your loyalty to a faction of the bi-partisan ruling class. n/t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

58. Lol. Blinded by your socialism and unwilling

To give credit where credit is due.

[Old Union Guy]

60. War works all right. Depending on your definition of "works". n/t

[Scootaloo]

77. Sanctions actually DON'T work

They didn't work against Iraq. They didn't work against North Korea. They weren't working against Iran. All sanctions do is harm the rank and file populace of the nation, they do no real harm to the leaders or the military - who are usually the ones making the cause FOR the sanctions. Historically all they accomplish is a hardening of their targets' stance - as they were doing in Iran ever since they were first implemented.

Rouhani wanted to make a grand gesture to show that he is a very different guy from his predecessor. That's the genesis of this. Were it not for that desire, we'd probably still be mired up to the axles in this saber-rattling bullshit. And yes, thankfully obama was in office when he made that gesture; I imagine McCain would have taken it as an opportunity to bomb, or Romney would have... You know, I can't even imagine what that putz would do, and i'm thankful I don't have to!

Diplomacy works. And America needs to discard this multi-administration machismo bullshit belief that being the first to pick up a phone makes us "look weak."

[Pretzel_Warrior]

78. Sanctions do work. Iraq was a shadow of itself on world stage. Bush attacked

What was essentially a crippled and defenseless country.

[Scootaloo]

79. You need to make up your mind where you're standing

if sanctions worked, there wouldn't have been an invasion in 2003, P_W. If sanctions worked, Saddam would have been out of power long before Bush could steal the election. if sanctions worked, Madeline Albright wouldn't have gushed about how "worth it" a million people dying of preventable illness was.

if you're arguing that sanctions can cripple a country and make it a sitting duck for massive carnage, then yeah, I guess they work for that. But when you're also arguing that war doesn't work, you kind of send a confused message.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

80. There was no need to attack Iraq. That was rape of a country.

Saddam posed no threat to the region. Sanctions worked. Saddam was an egomaniacal madman. Productive diplomacy with him was impossible.

[Scootaloo]

82. I would call the sanctions a rape, too

Saddam posed no threat to the region because of this:




Imagine that, stretching from Kuwait city almost all the way to Baghdad. That was the Iraqi Army, in retreat, being pretty much annihilated by US forces.

Which is ironic when you realize he only posed a threat because we had armed him so thickly in the hopes he would destroy Iran, and then we green-lighted his invasion of Kuwait (It was when he rolled into Saudi Arabia that we suddenly decided he needed to be stopped.)

After annihilating his military, we established a pair of no-fly zones, further hemming his military capability (though we did turn a blind eye to his slaughter of Shia in southern Iraq... after we'd urged them to rise up with promises of US support, which was not delivered. Poppy Bush, what a guy). And then, just to jam ourselves to the hilt in the ass of Iraq without lube, we came up with the biggest, most crushing suite of sanctions imaginable, year after year.

These sanctions were not targeted at Saddam or his military capability - or if they were, they were so broad as to make that sound more like an excuse than anything. It was the people of Iraq who suffered under these sanctions, and they suffered hugely. Since Saddam didn't labor at all under that yoke, why would he care? Of course he wouldn't engage in diplomacy, he had no personal stakes in doing so, and the sanctions weren't about to pressure him into it.

If sanctions were to pressure Saddam into some sort of action we wanted, they were a miserable failure.
If sanctions were intended to strip Iraq's military power, they were both redundant and hugely excessive.

Diplomacy could have worked. You just couldn't manage it with Saddam. But thankfully, the standard means of transferring power in Baath party politics means that you wouldn't need to. Hell, we could have bought out Qusay, I'll bet.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

83. Appeal to emotion with graphic pictures always helps

Except when you're trying to win arguments with logic.

Facts of history differ quite a bit from your account.

[Scootaloo]

84. Appeal to emotion? I beg your pardon?

No, I'm showing you Highway 80, the route Saddam's military took on retreat from Kuwait City back to Iraq. US forces really did pretty much annihilate Iraqi military capability during the rout on that route. I'm using the pictures so you have some image of the scale at hand, because just saying "we wrecked Saddam's military" doesn't really knock it home just how wrecked it was. Do also bear in mind the wreckage of the decade-long war with Iran immediately prior to this as well.

So if you're done imagining fallacies to cover your lost point, I think we can wrap this up.

Sanctions don't work as a method of gaining peaceful relations. They didn't work with Iraq. They didn't work with North Korea. they weren't working with Iran. End of story, have a nice day.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

85. Bahaha. You are ignoring the fact that Iran is at the table PRECISELY

Vecause of the recent years of sanctions. That point is widely acknowledged by foreign policy experts but list in you.

[TomCADem]

7. Sorry, Sheldon Adelson Won't Allow It And He Owns The GOP

You cannot ignore a $100 million dollar contributor who has both Netenyahu and any aspiring Republican presidential prospect. They will impeach President Obama and put the Nation into default before allowing this to happen.

[ucrdem]

8. Great news.

Thanks!

[Tx4obama]

9. An extra link for ya

Obama to speak about Iran deal from White House

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_IRAN_NUCLEAR_TALKS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-23-21-28-16

[Hoyt]

10. Right wingers will be ticked that we didn't bomb Iran in name of peace.

[AAO]

44. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb - Bomb Bomb Iran!

I guess Mr. "get off my lawn!" didn't get his wish.

[Leith]

46. Cornyn Has Already Started with the Usual Flamethrowing

The link is from the WaPo. Check out Cornyn's snarky little comment:

Linky-Dink

Here's what he tweeted:

"Amazing what WH will do to distract attention from O-care"

Scroll down a little and find it on the left. The jerk.

[Beartracks]

81. President Obama could cure cancer and the GOP would still say that. n/t

[MyNameGoesHere]

13. Two wars stolen from the warmonger right

Think this will cause McCain to stroke out?

[Lucky Luciano]

14. This is proof that Obama is a Muslim.

just in case

[TroglodyteScholar]

16. Good sarcasm!!

We all know you were spoofing on the fact that he's a Muslin and you just misspelled it.

[eridani]

48. Are you sure he isn't a Satinist or a Linenist instead? n/t

[randome]

28. If you have more than a hundred posts, the sarcasm is assumed.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Lucky Luciano]

41. Not so sure about that sometimes.

Mostly from watching others - not from personal experience.

[ReRe]

15. K&R

Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with the United States of America. My fingers are crossed that it sticks. It's a great accomplishment on the part of PO and SOS Kerry. Thanks for the news, Hissypit.

2014! 2014!

[riverwalker]

17. phenomenal news

well done

[karynnj]

18. Fantastic news thanks to our fantastic President and incredible Secretary of state!

I can't think of anyone better suited to being our top diplomat!

[BumRushDaShow]

19. K&R

I guess bomb bomb bomb Iran McLame will bust a blood vessel.

[hibbing]

39. Will he be on all the Sunday shows tomorrow?

I am sure he will be, and will be all mad because there won't be another war. Oh, and thanks Senator for elevating Palin to the position of spokesperson for all true Americans.

Peace

[Left Coast2020]

51. Sarah Palin does not speak for me

Do you mean spokesperson for the voices in her head?

[Jack Rabbit]

20. Great news

Exploding Neocon heads will suffice for fireworks.

[Martin Eden]

33. Please post the graphic ...

... of exploding neocon heads. I'd like to see that!

[JDPriestly]

21. Preliminarily this looks like wonderful news for the entire world.

Depending on the details, this is an enormous success for President Obama and his administration.

John Kerry deserves a lot of credit too. He would have made a great president himself. Oh, well. We tried.

[Tx4obama]

22. Link below to WATCH LIVE

WATCH LIVE via NBC News: President Obama Delivers Statement on Iranian Nuclear Deal

Following a historic deal to limit Iran’s nuclear program, President Obama is expected to deliver a statement on the deal at 10:15 P.M. There are currently no details about the deal itself, hashed out in Geneva by John Kerry and foreign ministers from other nations, but the deal has been confirmed by multiple officials involved in the deliberations.

Kerry and the foreign ministers are also expected to deliver remarks.

Live Stream Here: http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-live-president-obama-delivers-statement-on-iranian-nuclear-deal/

[Iliyah]

23. K & R

Avoidance of two major conflicts in one year. Gopers will claim DISTRACTION!

Obamacare, Benghazi, IRS, and the other scandals!

[last1standing]

24. This sounds like a major foreign policy success that has eluded every administration since Carter.

I, rightly, have been critical of Obama's recent foreign policy moves but this could be a great accomplishment.

[randome]

26. This leads into getting Israel to give back some land.

I hope.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[last1standing]

30. I doubt it. Bibi isn't one for concessions.

But I'd love to be wrong on this.

[TheKentuckian]

76. Don't get cocky. This is a good step on its own, no need to parlay into near magical expectations.

[NBachers]

25. I'm Shocked! I'm in Awe!

Fuck George Bush. Fuck Donald Rumsfeld. Fuck Paul Wolfowitz. Fuck John Bolton. Fuck Dick Cheney. War Criminals all.

The worst prison on earth is too good for the lot of them.

None of it was necessary.

Watch President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry to see how it's done.

[Left Coast2020]

52. Kinda sad that the Bush Crime Family wouldn't know what Statesman means......

.....even if you drew em a roadmap. They probably could F-up an ice cream sundae too.

[Festivito]

55. Shock and awe it is.

Well visualized. Thank you for that.

[madamesilverspurs]

27. Will it be minutes or merely seconds

until someone at Fox invokes Neville Chamberlain?

[Historic NY]

88. Already in the blogs on cue..

they always use Israel as an excuse but they can even spell it. These idiots apparently never look at a map or understand geography one bomb from Iran will take out more than (Isreal) sic.

[mountain grammy]

29. Very nice. Here's to optimism!

[BeyondGeography]

31. You can't keep a good man down

Especially when someone else wants to be reasonable.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. LOL!!! Another boogyman of the Right could be GONE!!!

Let's face it.

The ONLY reason Iran has been on the Right Wing Hit List is their love of REAGAN.

Mention "Iran" to a Republican and they think "Ayatollah Khomeini".



Never mind that he's been DEAD for a quarter century.

Never mind that Reagan SOLD HIM TOW MISSILES.

Now watch FOX "News" claim Obama is going let Israel get nuked.

[Duer 157099]

34. What? No credit to Saul?

Or Carrie?

[Major Hogwash]

35. Incredible! John Kerry is the man of the year!! Maybe of the decade!!!

Oh, man, this is going to make the Rethuglican's heads 'splode.

What are they going to do, make Issa hold another hearing??
Will Cruz eat green eggs and ham live on teevee??

[LongTomH]

69. 'Green eggs and ham?' How about some crow?

or, maybe humble pie?

[DonCoquixote]

36. oh yeah

Obama is going down, even jame carville said he should take up crack to become more popular...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/james-carville-president-obama-poll-numbers-99658.html

To all the centrist Dinos,...suck it...for all his flaws, flaws gained mostly because he did not scrap YOUR DAMNED PLAYBOOK, Obama will get more done than you will.

[A Simple Game]

38. So, what are we going to do with all of those bombs we ordered? Besides

they just did it to distract us for the disaster of Obamacare.

[jamzrockz]

40. Dimplomacy wins?

more like bullying wins. I would like to know what terrible thing Iran did to deserve such a harsh treatment. They signed the NPT, they have complied with it while the sanctions have continued to pile on and then they have even gone further than the NPT and the sanction, assassination of scientist, sabotage of nuclear facility continues. And people are cheering this as a win.

This is like me badgering a woman for sex, she tells me no but I continue to badger her, I bound her hands, lock her up in my dungeon and then she finally agrees to have sex with me. But that is still not enough for me to fully release her since I just plan on releasing the handcuffs for now. If I told you that me finally having sex with her shows how good my game is, most her would call me a psycho and you'll be right.

This is something positive but I dunno if i will go as far as calling it a win of any kind.

[SpartanDem]

53. They've complied with the NPT? The IAEA has on multiple occasions founded them in violation of it.

[cpwm17]

63. Good analogy

and then observers also praise you for not murdering her. That makes you a great liberal.

I do hope that things very much improve between the US and Iran. Perhaps this is all a face-saving way for us to end the conflict.

[47of74]

42. See teabags, sometimes it's better to talk instead of engaging in dick measuring contests.

[Digital Puppy]

43. I am interested to see how Sunday's news will try and negatively spin this... (n/t)

[BumRushDaShow]

47. Their live coverage gasbags already negatively spun it

to epic proportions. "Oh.... there will be blowback." "Oh.... Israel won't like this." "Oh, there's bipartisan support for increasing the sanctions and he'll have to veto it"...

"Oh..oh.... ohhhhh...derp.... adsrjopblorgpw2'fma!"

[DallasNE]

45. Take That Bibi

And the horse you rode in on.

[colsohlibgal]

49. The Righties Will Be Quite Troubled By This

How dare we upset the MI complex, to not bomb them and let God sort it out.

This is a good thing, now if only Barry would join in with the democratic populist wing of the party concerning the evil banksters, etc.

[BREMPRO]

50. this is the way it's done, brilliant diplomacy by Kerry/Obama, it's the slow road, but effective.

good and welcome news after years of stalled negotiation!.. oh wait, this is just Orbkarma making a distraction from obamacare mess and giving away to many concessions and endangering Israel,, you know R reaction will be something like this- negative and cynically political in nature.. it's so predictable now you can just ignore the details...

[Hekate]

54. KnR for great hopes!

[Old Union Guy]

56. It does not make the world more secure, and I expect a big war with Iran any day now.

Why should we believe any of then?

[Old Union Guy]

59. The Republicans will invoke Chamberlain and Munich ...

... but a better WWII era parallel would be the Stalin Hitler pact.

Not appeasement.

Both sides cynically buying a little time.

[Jester Messiah]

61. Oh sweet jebus, the freepers are in full meltdown over this!

It is glorious. And hilarious. Oh the conspiracy theories... it's like art. Terrible, terrible art.

[Beacool]

62. Fantastic news.

I'm cautiously optimistic. We'll see how this deal will work in the long term.

Great credit to everyone involved, the president, Kerry and the other members of the international community who participated.

Also kudos to Rouhani for having approached the West and being open to a new relationship between countries. This deal would have never taken place if Ahmadinejad was still in charge.

Congratulations to all involved for a job well done.

[TBF]

64. K & R for diplomacy. nt

[Turbineguy]

65. The is a good thing.

GOP is no doubt in mourning over having missed another chance for an endless war and fat profits.

[fascisthunter]

67. Very Happy with This News

I'm hoping cooler heads can maintain peace through negotiation and those fruit-loop warhawk ideologues are not such influences anymore. If they want to see fighting, let them watch MMA fights, or at least have the guts to place themselves in direct harm by doing the fighting themselves.

[JoePhilly]

68. I bet PUTIN really did it.

Or at least that's what I expect to be hearing soon.

[LongTomH]

70. If this can hold together, Mr. Obama's legacy is assured!

This and ACA will be the biggest achievements of his administration.

The TPP needs to be defeated, as much for Mr. Obama's sake as for ours. If he considers, I don't think that's what he wants to be remembered for.

[Recursion]

71. Meep meep

Well played.

[Enthusiast]

72. I have a question.

Why doesn't the deal with Iran roll back the "vast majority of sanctions"?

Aren't they doing what we want? Why are we still imposing sanctions if they are doing as we wish?

[geek tragedy]

74. This is the first installment on a much bigger deal.

Trust building exercises are sometimes necessary--they need some relief as a sign of good faith, and we need to see that they're willing to physically abandon the possibility of a nuclear weapon.

[bhikkhu]

73. I would link this directly to the peace deal with Syria

...where they give up their chemical weapons, and Assad gained a big reprieve from what seemed like imminent war. Following that, in the same way, Iran, not wanting war, gives up its nuclear program. There are shades of gray in both cases, and possibility of failure in both cases, but ramping down the war machine is proving to be a reliable pattern.

And both of these were high stakes, highly engineered deals from the desk of the president, who is on the way to becoming, based on the "facts on the ground", one of the great ones.

[EC]

75. John Kerry

has been working for peace ever since he was in a war. That's what was missing in foreign policy...real warriors - not chicken hawks.

[CFLDem]

86. This will work as well as our yo yo diplomacy with NK

No war, thank goodness, but no real solution.

Nuclear development is a bludgeon that no intelligent regime gives up. Lest they end up like Gaddafi.

[rury]

87. Deft diplomacy by President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry!

[Coyotl]

89. Give peace a chance, everywhere.

[Dopers_Greed]

90. I knew this was good news...

When I went to the gym today and saw Faux's graphics plastered with quotes from the Israeli government about how bad of a deal this is.

[yellowwoodII]

91. This is Wonderful

Now, please, let's stop demonizing Iranians.