Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:32 PM Nov 2013

Schumer 'Disappointed' With Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal

Source: TPM

CAITLIN MACNEAL – NOVEMBER 24, 2013, 12:29 PM EST

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said Sunday he is "disappointed" with the nuclear deal reached Saturday between the U.S. and Iran

"I am disappointed by the terms of the agreement between Iran and the P5+1 nations because it does not seem proportional," he said in a written statement.

The agreement with Iran does not reduce the country's nuclear capabilities enough, he added, making it more likely that the Senate will push for increased sanctions in December.

"Iran simply freezes its nuclear capabilities while we reduce the sanctions," he said. "This disproportionality of this agreement makes it more likely that Democrats and Republicans will join together and pass additional sanctions when we return in December. I intend to discuss that possibility with my colleagues."

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/schumer-senate-likely-to-push-additional-iran-sanctions-in-december



Atta boy Chuckie! Dance for Bibi!
45 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Schumer 'Disappointed' With Obama's Iran Nuclear Deal (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2013 OP
Oh and what a fine 'dance' he does...indeed! Purveyor Nov 2013 #1
All the while proving that it's one Big Song & Pony Show Hestia Nov 2013 #21
I'm just glad I don't have to make the decision of whether to vote for this pos or not. eom Purveyor Nov 2013 #22
It's called a team, chuckle-nuts. I hope you're on it. truthisfreedom Nov 2013 #2
He is--but he's got to dance for that AIPAC money. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #4
Schumer is OK on a lot of issues. hollowdweller Nov 2013 #24
Bought and paid for. nt paleotn Nov 2013 #25
He can be disappointed all he wants. The deal still goes through. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #3
Not really. former9thward Nov 2013 #29
No.... dennis4868 Nov 2013 #30
You are assuming veto would not be overridden. former9thward Nov 2013 #31
okay dennis4868 Nov 2013 #36
It's called a veto. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #33
I am familiar with the Constitution. former9thward Nov 2013 #38
Shill for Israel extremists wants nothing less than war on point Nov 2013 #5
With Democrats like Schumer, why do we need Republicans? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #6
It is a start, and that the media, the repukes, and apparently schemer cannot see that, or are doing lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #7
I delight in your disappointment. Autumn Nov 2013 #8
Sorry Chuckles TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #9
Upchuck; and message to TPM: frazzled Nov 2013 #10
His comments are not even true karynnj Nov 2013 #11
"War is a failure of diplomacy" awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #19
K & R. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #20
+1000 Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #34
Correct me if I'm wrong, but?..... Hulk Nov 2013 #12
I'm Disappointed with the Continued Israeli Settlements chuckstevens Nov 2013 #13
Completely Agree.. but with one correction 2banon Nov 2013 #16
Then go sign up, ya chickenhawk. tsuki Nov 2013 #14
Did someone say something? OldRedneck Nov 2013 #15
No kidding. Schumer's got a history.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #17
Chuckie does as Master Bibi says. Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #18
Kick. eom Purveyor Nov 2013 #23
Ok, Chuck.... paleotn Nov 2013 #26
Several of the Senators mention that "lack of propotionality" which is karynnj Nov 2013 #32
Obama-1 Zionists-0 mwrguy Nov 2013 #27
what this nuke deal really means.... madrchsod Nov 2013 #28
What about disarmament? november3rd Nov 2013 #35
Some folks are still desperate for their Middle East war aren't they. blackspade Nov 2013 #37
Oh fuck you, Chuck. Arkana Nov 2013 #39
No money in peace. Octafish Nov 2013 #40
So lovely to see leftynyc Nov 2013 #41
I trust Obama. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #42
I also trust the President leftynyc Nov 2013 #43
Sure you do. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #44
Other than one other poster leftynyc Nov 2013 #45
 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
21. All the while proving that it's one Big Song & Pony Show
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 06:58 PM
Nov 2013

"Tonight what heights we'll Hit, on with the show this is it!"

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
29. Not really.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:02 PM
Nov 2013

The Senate and House can impose new sanctions which would kill the deal. Reid said last week they would vote on them next month.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
31. You are assuming veto would not be overridden.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:15 PM
Nov 2013

Do you think with people like Reid and Schumer on board that it could not get 67 votes in the Senate?

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
38. I am familiar with the Constitution.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 09:54 AM
Nov 2013

Are you? There is a thing in there called the override. Do you think if Reid and Schumer were on board that 67 votes could not be gotten?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
6. With Democrats like Schumer, why do we need Republicans?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:42 PM
Nov 2013

Can't expect much from a guy who preaches the need to economically strangle "the Arabs," though.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
7. It is a start, and that the media, the repukes, and apparently schemer cannot see that, or are doing
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:45 PM
Nov 2013

it based on some warped political calculations shows just how wrong they are.

The President is going to come out on top on all of this. I am convinced.

The racists, the media, and the republicans have underestimated this president from the start, and this second term they are going to be looking like the stupid asses they are


frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. Upchuck; and message to TPM:
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:50 PM
Nov 2013

This was not "Obama's" deal--it was a multinational deal, with as much input from European nations as the US. It was a six-nation (plus Iran) deal. It is also not the final deal, but rather a six-month "moratorium" to allow for further negotiations.

Chuck will soon be set straight. But TPM should know better.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
11. His comments are not even true
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:52 PM
Nov 2013

They are actually rolling back the amount of processed uranium they have. Over the 6 months they will convert all the 20% enriched to a form that can not be weaponized.

I wonder if Schumer even bothered to listen to the details Kerry laid out - or just followed Netanyahu. I wonder if Netanyahu's secret plan to unravel this first step is to get his bought Senators and Congressmen to pass that bill -- which Obama will veto. The question is whether the President can hold enough Democrats to prevent it from being overridden.

All when about 64% of Americans WANT an agreement like this.


Here is the petition - http://act.jstreet.org/sign/iran_negotiations/

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
12. Correct me if I'm wrong, but?.....
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:53 PM
Nov 2013

...isn't this dino ALWAYS the voice of Israel in ALL of his decisions? I'm guessing he's Jewish himself; but that's not a sin. What is a sin is that his votes are ALWAYS on behalf of the Jewish state, and THAT bothers me to no end.

This is just another example. Neten....doesn't like it, Schumer doesn't like it. End of thought.

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
13. I'm Disappointed with the Continued Israeli Settlements
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:53 PM
Nov 2013

Honest to God, the Israeli government goes beyond provoking the Arab world with their constant encroachment of disputed lands with new settlements, but then belly ache when any Detente is reached by the US and the Arab world.

By the way: The Gaza Strip is the "21st Century Warsaw Ghetto" and the Israeli government should be ashamed of itself. American politicians LIKE CHUCK SHUMMER should stop being apologist for the nation of Israel. Protect Israeli? ABSOLUTELY; but don't overlook all of their immoral actions and times when they should be publicly called out, over a blind allegiance your heritage.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
16. Completely Agree.. but with one correction
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:31 PM
Nov 2013

Israel doesn't need the United States to militarily "defend" Israel, as it has had an arsenal of Nuclear bombs to obliterate the entire world into smithereens. All developed on the backs of the U.S. taxpayers. Interesting how the media either ignores this fact or denies it.

But it goes on..

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
26. Ok, Chuck....
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:03 PM
Nov 2013

...as Israel's senior US senator, what should we do? Screw the diplomacy route and just bomb the shit out of them? Turn the gulf into an active war zone, sending oil prices to astronomical levels? Oh that would just be wonderful for everyone. Iran is making concessions not dreamed of a few months ago, and hopefully this is just the beginning of meaningful and productive negotiations. He says it ain't enough and makes an inaccurate statement to boot. Part of the agreement is for Iran to get rid of it's 20% enriched uranium stockpile you idiot. I could expect such stupidity from a Rethug, but not someone from the President's own party.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
32. Several of the Senators mention that "lack of propotionality" which is
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:16 PM
Nov 2013

based on distorting what the agreement is. The fact that they use the same words and bogus argument makes me want to know the source. Are they responding from canned AIPAC talking points? Seriously, referring to "proportionality" is something I never heard used in any other deal - why this time do SEVERAL all use the same words?

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
28. what this nuke deal really means....
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:02 PM
Nov 2013

the end of timers will have to wait a few more years to get raptured!

 

november3rd

(1,113 posts)
35. What about disarmament?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:18 PM
Nov 2013

Unless everybody's getting rid of all their nuclear weapons at the same time, it's unreasonable to expect any given country to give up theirs unilaterally.

Besides, Iran doesn't have any nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, the only Middle Eastern country to possess nuclear weapons denies it has them, and is completely outside the international monitoring and control agreements, unlike Iran.

The only solution to the hypocrisy and imperialism is for everybody to agree to the terms of a monitored, international nuclear disarmament process.

It will be impossible, not just unfair, to limit Iran's nuclear capabilities by singling them out for sanctions and controls that other countries don't agree to submit to, unless there's a worldwide, concerted disarmament framework in place.

Otherwise, this is just imperialism.

We have the right to own and operate nuclear weapons but we don't acknowledge Iran's right to do that?

It's such an obvious injustice that it cries out for new parties at the negotiations, new terms for international relations, and revolution, in short: a public takeover.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. No money in peace.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:15 AM
Nov 2013

Not good for Wall Street.

Peace among their enemies is bad for certain states in the region, as well.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. So lovely to see
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:31 AM
Nov 2013

how much everyone seems to trust Iran here on this site. With the mullah's firmly in charge of that country, what could possibly go wrong?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
43. I also trust the President
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:05 PM
Nov 2013

And Great Britain, France and Germany. That doesn't mean I'll ever trust the mullahs in Iran. I'll choose to ignore your swipe about Cantor as it's completely moronic and I have no desire to embarrass you.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
44. Sure you do.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:14 PM
Nov 2013

That's why you're in here second guessing. I trust that this administration will hold Iran accountable and deal with them accordingly if they don't hold up their end of the bargain. However, for now I see this as a triumph of diplomacy and the landmark achievement of this administration's foreign policy.

As for "embarrassing me", feel free. Everyone is tougher on the internet.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
45. Other than one other poster
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

NOBODY here is expressing the slightest doubt that the mullahs in Iran (you know, the people actually in charge) can be trusted. The President knows their word is bullshit and I have no doubt he (along with the Europeans) will not take Iran at its word. Much different than the folks here for whom only the US and Israel are the villains - predictably pathetic.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Schumer 'Disappointed' Wi...