Fox News host Megyn Kelly says Jesus and Santa are white

[hue]

Source: THE RAW STORY

Fox News host Megyn Kelly on Wednesday assured children viewing her program that both Jesus Christ and Santa Claus were white men even though some liberals were trying to make them black.

In a column for Slate earlier this week, Aisha Harris wrote that she had always been confused as a child because the Santa in her home had brown skin like her, but the Santa in malls and on television was always white.

So Harris made the case “that America abandon Santa-as-fat-old-white-man” and adopt a penguin in his place.

“For one thing, making Santa Claus an animal rather than an old white male could spare millions of nonwhite kids the insecurity and shame that I remember from childhood,” she wrote.

But on Wednesday, Kelly decided that Harris had gone “off the rails” with her column.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/12/fox-news-host-megyn-kelly-tells-kids-jesus-and-santa-are-both-white-guys/

---

This IS NUTS!!!

[Kingofalldems]

1. They actually had a panel discussing Santa Claus.

[paleotn]

11. Well, the rest of their agenda...

...is make believe, so why not?

[TNNurse]

44. Does anyone think that she believes Santa is OMG, real?????

[cosmicone]

2. Arguing over the appearance of fictional characters?

What about Homer Simpson? hahahahahahaha

[MyNameGoesHere]

6. Homer is YELLOW

and I will fight anyone that says otherwise! Damn liberals.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

17. Murphy Brown is a bad example for women everywhere!

[Eugene]

3. "verifiable fact"

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day!

[mitty14u2]

4. Only War on Xmas, Santa are in Fox News Corp Lack of Brains, they just Make Shit Up call it News!

The Daily Show's Jon Stewart took Fox to task for their annual ritual of pretending that there's a so-called "war on Christmas." -

The Daily Show's Jon Stewart opened his show this Tuesday evening by letting Fox "news" have it for their annual ritual known as the "war on Christmas." Stewart started out mocking them for their over the top fearmongering over a swimming class for Muslim girls, then Sarah Palin's miserable failure of a Christmas book she's trying to peddle this year. And of course, last but not least, Bill-O and his rantings about how the retail stores are somehow participating in this phony "war" of his as well. As Stewart reminded them at the end of the segment, if Palin and O'Reilly really believe that commercialization of the holiday is what's "spreading Christmas cheer," they may have a new nemesis who is waging the "war on Christmas" as well -- Pope Francis.

- See more at: http://crooksandliars.com/heather/jon-stewart-takes-fox-their-annual-war#sthash.brckfzrl.dpuf

[geckosfeet]

5. Maybe - but god is african american....

[pkdu]

7. And female...

[Rozlee]

40. And gay.

[shebornik]

49. And tired of all this shit

[tblue]

50. And walks with a limp.

[tclambert]

72. God is Gallifreyan, a Time Lord, that is.

He must be a time traveler. How else could God, the creator of all things, create Himself?

[Journeyman]

8. I heard they were both the color of water. I learned they were chameleons, assuming the attributes…

of those who perceived them. I found them in my own mind and assigned them neither form nor color but simply enjoyed them as ideals.

This much I know to be true: The world's more wondrous and accommodating when not forced to conform to my expectations.

[dipsydoodle]

9. Nuts is may be but its also more than 12 hours old.

see time stamp on this post : http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024166152

[chuckstevens]

10. Jesus Christ!

Surely he had blond hair and blue eyes being born and raised in the Middle East. You think, Megyn?

[druidqueen]

36. I got into real trouble

I got into real trouble when I was 7 years old & a student in a Catholic grammar school in Manhattan....I asked Sister why were all the statues & images of Mary and Jesus made with blond hair & blues eyes? After all, I said, Bethlehem and Nazareth were not suburbs of Oslo or Stockholm.... She told me I shouldn't ask such questions.....of course, being an Irish matriarch in training, I never stopped!!

[small D democrat]

48. In defense of the idiot teeveenewslady...

I might suggest an eminently fapworthy google image search "girls of the IDF", lots of blonde/blue Sabras.

[karynnj]

59. Think again - did the blue eyed blonde genes come from the ME

or Europe?

[small D democrat]

63. I considered that.

But the blue eyes gene mutation beat Judaism by at least 1,000 years. Hell, we all started in Africa but we may be the most peripatetic sentient species. I've run into those who claim to be Sephardic Jews who are blue/blonde.

That being said, this is what my torts prof called "citation to anecdote".

For the teevee lady:

Yes, Santa is white, but he doesn't have to be. Yeshua Ben Yusef could have resembled the conventional Renaissance European representation of him, but it is highly unlikely.

[Faygo Kid]

12. Washington Post has FAWNING article about her today

It's an appalling piece of work: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/megyn-kelly-foxs-brightest-fastest-rising-star/2013/12/11/e4987dec-5dee-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.html?hpid=z1

She actually claims she's not political and doesn't play favorites. If that were the case, there is no way she would have even a minute in Faux News' prime-time lineup.

She's a grotesque parody of a journalist. And apparently a racist, to boot. No wonder Roger Ailes pays her the big bucks.

[wilt the stilt]

31. Everyone is poltical

or you have no brain. As my mom said and I still think it is true. Everyone is a little bit prejudiced and everyone has a little bit of larceny in them.

[0rganism]

66. of course being political is no guarantee you have a (functional) brain

as Megyn Kelly so aptly demonstrates in the OP

[sakabatou]

13. Right, because he was from northern Europe, not the Middle East

[Wolf Frankula]

15. And Jesus wore a Caterpillar cap

and spoke King James Bible English, just like the preacher says.

Wolf

[Thor_MN]

32. Jesus drove a John Deere. danggumit!!!

[merrily]

22. Oh, please. Jesus and Santa were both upper class British.

All the best people are.

[Rozlee]

41. No, they're Wall St. tycoons.

Get with the new times.

[freshwest]

14. The cat's outta the bag! Fox is run by pagans! Jesus is not Santa Claus! n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

16. Don't tell Megyn, but while Jesus was a white Semite, he was still a Jew

I guess that means he went to Hell because He didn't believe He was the Son of God.

[merrily]

23. How do you know Jesus was white?

[Jack Rabbit]

24. Because Semites are white

As a rule, they have darker complexion than Swedes, but they are still white.

If Jesus were a Jew born about 6 BC, then he was white.

[merrily]

25. I've seen many Semites I would consider more "brown" than white.

Besides, you are looking backward from 2013, after the Crusades and other influxes of white people into the Middle East.

PS. I don't it matters if Jesus was a Jew. Skin color is not determined by religion.

[JDPriestly]

34. Jesus was probably quite dark.

But Santa would be quite light-skinned.

The modern figure of Santa Claus is derived from the Dutch figure of Sinterklaas, which, in turn, was part of its basis in hagiographical tales concerning the historical figure of Christian bishop and gift giver Saint Nicholas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

Holland is in Northern Europe.

Israel is in the Middle East. Jesus would probably have been brown, just as you said.

[KareBear]

37. Nicholas was Turkish

The origin of St. Nicholas aka Santa goes back to Turkey. Check out:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

[JDPriestly]

42. The tradition of St. Nikolaus giving gifts to children on Dec. 6 was absolutely Dutch.

Turkey had nothing to do with that tradition. I have some Dutch ancestry and lived in Europe. I have never heard of a Turkish custom that St. Nikolaus gave gifts at Christmas.

The original St. Nikolaus may have been Turkish, but the custom is Dutch and the depictions of St. Nikolaus are Dutch and spread across Europe.

In Austria, St. Nikolaus comes on Dec. 6 with a companion, Krampus. Krampus is quite a nasty guy.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/world/krampus-story-austrias-terrifying-christmas-tradit/ncFSX/

For pictures of Krampus (no specific color or race, in fact he comes in all colors and races):

https://www.google.com/search?q=austria+krampus&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iyKrUoJ9kuugBP2OgdgD&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=504

It's a very strange custom.

[JohninPA]

58. The Orthodox would disagree.

http://stnicholasofmyraorthodoxchurch.wordpress.com/about-us/about-st-nicholas-of-myra/

I'm Orthodox and St Nicholas is kind of a big deal for us. We have honored him for centuries and his idea of gift giving. You may continue to revise history if you wish, facts notwithstanding.

[JDPriestly]

62. Do you also have the Krampus tradition?

Does St. Nikolaus in the Orthodox tradition have a punitive alter-ego?

[JohninPA]

78. Not to my knowledge

However I don't have much experience outside of my tradition. We belong to an Orthodox Church in America (OCA) parish that was formed from a Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) parish. From my brief Googling, I suspect that this is a secularization of the holiday. Much like how All Souls Day was changed into Halloween.

[JDPriestly]

80. This interests me very much.

Do you follow the Gnostic Bible or the Bible of the Roman Church? Do you know anything about the old Bulgarian dualist religion?

I am interested in the origin of the Nikolaus and Krampus tradition.

I guess that the Krampus part is distinctly Germanic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krampus

[DhhD]

51. Black Dutch Ancestry comes from the Old World.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA/2001-01

[JDPriestly]

70. Yes. The Dutch traveled a lot. We are all one.

Race is rather superficial, and many of us are actually of mixed ancestry and probably be surprised by what our ancestry really is. That goes for Americans regardless what race they think they are.

[merrily]

85. The part of modern day Turkey where he was born was Greek then.

[big_dog]

68. BBC has this depiction of Jesus

[Nonhlanhla]

75. Yes, this

I am a theologian by training and one of my favorite courses to teach is a class on various cultural and political perspectives on Jesus, from Latin American liberation Christology, to African inculturation Christology, to feminist Christology, to interreligious conversations about Jesus, to the Black Christ of the slave church. Fascinating stuff. I also include a section on the historical Jesus and historical Jesus scholarship. From that I know that this picture is the closest to a "Kodak moment" we have for Jesus. The depiction is based on extensive research by scholars on what a man of Jesus' heritage and time and place would have looked like.

The traditional white Jesus with long flowing brown hair and beard is based on the ideal medieval European nobleman. The first to try to depict Jesus in a more historically correct way was Rembrandt, who lived in the Jewish section of Amsterdam and used a young Jewish man as model for his various portraits of Jesus. But of course those Jews were far more light skinned than the Jews of Jesus' time. The picture above is closer to the actual historical Jesus.

I'm afraid he might be too dark skinned for the right wing version of Christianity in the US.

[JDPriestly]

76. Thanks!

[Frank Cannon]

82. The white-bearded fat guy in the red suit comes from Coke ads.

Haddon Sundblom's Coca-Cola advertisements were really the genesis for our modern, popular image of Santa Claus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddon_Sundblom

[JDPriestly]

83. The original was much skinnier. The earliest I saw looked Dutch, definitely Dutch.

Apparently the Saint Nikolaus was Orthodox. But that is not the tradition that my mother was raised in. With Saint Nikolaus came Krampus as I posted above. Krampus was a figure from German folklore and in the Dutch and Austrian, East European tradition, inextricably tied to St. Nikolaus. Krampus brought naughty children coals. That's where that part of our Santa Clause tradition comes from.

The Coca-Cola ads may have teen the source for the fat Santa Claus, but the Dutch tradition was much earlier.

And then there is the Christkind who visits German and Austrian children on Christmas Eve. Yet another fascinating custom.

The Christkind (German "Christ-child", pronounced [ˈkʁɪstkɪnt]) is the traditional Christmas gift-bringer in regions of Austria, the Czech Republic, Croatia, parts of Germany, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Portugal, Switzerland, Slovakia, Hungary, France, Upper-Silesia in Poland, parts of Hispanic America, in certain areas of southern Brazil and in the Acadiana region of Louisiana. In Italian, it is called Gesù Bambino, in Portuguese Menino Jesus ("Jesus Boy&quot , in Hungarian Jézuska ("Little Jesus&quot , in Slovak Ježiško ("Little Jesus&quot , in Czech Ježíšek ("Little Jesus&quot , in Latin America "Nino Dios" ("God Child&quot and in Croatian Isusić ("Little Jesus&quot .

Promulgated by Martin Luther, explicitly to discourage the figure of St. Nicholas, at the Protestant Reformation in 16th-17th-century Europe, many Protestants changed the gift bringer to the Christ Child or Christkindl, and the date of giving gifts changed from December 6 to Christmas Eve.[1] A gift-bringer familiar to children in Central Europe, the Christkind bears little resemblance to the infant of Bethlehem.[2] The Christkind was adopted in Catholic areas during the 19th century, while it began to be gradually replaced by a more or less secularized version of Saint Nicholas, the Weihnachtsmann (Father Christmas, Santa Claus) in Protestant regions.

The Christkind is a sprite-like child, usually depicted with blond hair and angelic wings. Martin Luther intended it to be a reference to the incarnation of Jesus as an infant. Sometimes the Christ Child is, instead of the infant Jesus, interpreted as a specific angel bringing the presents, as it appears in some processions together with an image of little Jesus Christ. It seems also to be rooted in the Alsatian-born myth of a child bringing gifts to the baby Jesus.[citation needed] Children never see the Christkind in person, and parents tell them that Christkind will not come and bring presents if they are curious and try to spot it. The family enters the living room, where the Christmas tree has been put up, for the opening of presents (the Bescherung) when the parents say that they think that the Christkind who has brought the presents has now left again. In some traditions, the departure is announced by the ringing of a small bell, which the parents pretend to have heard or which is secretly done by one of the adults in the family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christkind

Why were so many figures in the European customs white? Because ordinary Europeans mostly only knew white people. There weren't many people of other races amongst them. No point in getting upset about it. How many African folk tales or customs feature white people? It would be beyond the culture for that to happen. It isn't racism. It is just ignorance about the world that caused isolate people to create folk images that looked like themselves.

[Frank Cannon]

84. You're absolutely right, of course.

I was just pointing out that the visual conception of Santa Claus that we hold so sacred today (at least in the US) comes straight from advertisements for a soda pop.

[leftynyc]

38. I've heard many white supremacists say

Jews are mongrels and not white which would make Jesus also not white.

[Jack Rabbit]

43. That makes absolutely no sense

What would you expect from a white supremacist? or, for that matter, from any racial supremacist?

[leftynyc]

53. Of course it makes no sense

Nothing the right does makes sense when it comes to racial issues. But if you think the mouth breathing neanderthals that make up the base of the right considers Jews as white as they are, you're dreaming.

[shaayecanaan]

47. Rubbish

Levantine populations of that particular time were primarily Assyrian and Akkadian in origin, that is to say they originally hailed from the Persian gulf area.

People in Israel/palestine today are undoubtedly lighter than they used to be owing to long periods of roman/Greek/Turkish/crusader rule. But certainly that wasn't the case in Jesus time.

As for documentary evidence, the skin tones in Egyptian art are much duskier than today's Egyptians, and you also have these lines from the song of Solomon in the bible:-

I am dark, but lovely,
you daughters of Jerusalem,
like Kedar’s tents,
like Solomon’s curtains.

[DhhD]

56. Jews /Canaanites went back and forth to Egypt over many years before and during the time of Christ.

Genetic Markers of decedent families should be studied:

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/skin-color

I believe that people living in Ur around the time that Abraham left Ur, were mainly white due to the latitude. Most Bbiles have a map in the appendix that shows this route almost straight west. Then Abraham fathered the child, Ismael with an Egyptian hand maiden of his wife, Sara. The Egyptian woman returned with her child to Egypt. The next year, Abraham's wife, Sarah gave birth to Issac, The Promised Child who bacame the father of Jacob/Israel. You can follow the line/generations of Jacob's 12 sons in the first chapter of The Book of Matthew in the New Testament. Christ was born of Mary, a decedent of Jacob and later, Aaron, Levite Priest and brother of Moses. See The Old Testament.

http://ishmaelandisaac.org/

The Cush Peoples of far southern Egypt were black. Africans are variously colored due to gene expression, which has to do with the amount of melanin pigments in the skin. Having all six genes and their expression, makes enough melanin pigment for a person to have very dark skin. Melanin is a brown pigment (protein). (There are other skin coloroing pigments besides brown ones.)

It takes only about 2000 years of human generations to evolve to very white skin by living in low sunlight radiants in the very northern latitudes.

[Jack Rabbit]

64. Clarification:

The term white is being used by your most humble hare to mean those of the Caucasian race, regardless of skin tone. This is a group that includes Semites.

Please click here.

[DhhD]

71. This reply is about white skin due to latitude of the Earth and its harmful radiation from the

sun. As with other forms of radiation, distances means less force/particle and less particle/wave energy. Northern latitudes are further away from the Sun/Sol; therefore, the skin can make more Vitamin D. Bone structure of the face is not a genetic marker that I was considering in my reply. Thank you for allowing me to explain further even though Vitamin D is not really a part of this either.

[phleshdef]

26. Jesus looked just like all the middle eastern Muslims that they are so afraid of.

[merrily]

27. Yep. Just like the Arabs they hate.

[handmade34]

61. "The Real Face Of Jesus"

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/1282186

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

18. Guess she wouldn't like this Tom Waites song

Unless it's a white chocolate Jesus.

[lib87]

19. Skin like burnt brass & hair like wool

Yep! Sounds like a blue eyed white man to me!

[merrily]

21. I am very familiar with the wool bit, but not the skin like burnt brass bit.

There is a reference to feet like fine brass, as if burned in a furnace--which is how all brass is tempered--but not skin in general.

The context for the feet like fine brass is the Apostle John having a vision of the future. The reference to feet like fine brass has been interpreted by some to mean something did not exist circa 2000 B.C. that John can describe only by analogy.

[lib87]

29. Learn Something New Everyday!

Thanks.

[merrily]

30. I don't want to lead you astray.

The last three lines of my post are only the interpretation/speculation of some people. I don't know that everyone thinks some future invention is being referred to, though John is describing a vision he had about the end of the world "as we know it."

But I did search bible gateway before I posted and found no reference to skin like burned brass.

[merrily]

20. Yes, the Middle East was all white before the Red Menace.

You can look it up in the Encyclopedia of Delusions.

[LovingA2andMI]

28. Someone needs to tell ME-GYN to STHU....

Because.....

[Cha]

33. Megyn Kelly-Time's Santa Claus Race Expert of the Year!

Vernice Bennett @Mvbennett26
Follow Megyn Kelly: Jesus and Santa were white http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/megyn-kelly-jesus-and-santa-were-white-179491.html#.Uqn3-Fu5AEg.twitter … via @POLITICO >>No black Santa for you!!! Megan Kelly says he's white!!!7:55 AM - 12 Dec 2013
Megyn Kelly: Jesus and Santa were white

POLITICO @politico
12 Retweets ReplyRetweetFavorite

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/12/12/megyn-kelly-santa-is-white-and-real/

Hiya hue!

[big_dog]

69. all this time I thought Akim was black santa....

[rafeh1]

35. in fact megyn

in fact megyn probably knows nothing about Jesus but knows how to play the ratings and controversy game.

Its not if its right or wrong what matters is hits and publicity to these people.

The Fox play on conservative/white themes is taken seriously only by the lame viewers not by the business people running fox

[leftynyc]

39. Well, Megyn was not

on her show last night so I'm thinking she's taking a lot of heat about this.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/megyn-kelly-absent-from-show-post-santa-jesus-segment-179551.html?hp=l2

[JackRiddler]

45. So is Megan Kelly, but we're fighting for the cure.

[mathematic]

46. Well, aren't they?

Everybody agrees Santa's a fictional mascot of Christmas so it's kind of ridiculous to talk about his race. Nevertheless, he was created by europeans and he has been portrayed as white for centuries.

Assuming Jesus actually existed and was like other Jews at the time, he was a darker skinned white man, like the boston marathon bombers, the guys on Jersey Shore, or any of the millions of other mediterranean men born over the last few millennium. Yes, I know some racists only consider northern europeans white. I don't get my information about the genetics of skin pigmentation from racists. And neither should anybody else.

[Tien1985]

54. When I was growing up

My mom said Santa's ethnicity changed depending on where he was in order to blend in with the people around him.

If you're going to create a magically being you may as well go whole hog.

[Gothmog]

52. Juanita Jean had some fun with this story

http://www.juanitajean.com/2013/12/12/and-i-want-all-you-black-and-brown-kids-to-feel-really-bad-about-it-too-because-its-jesus-birthday-dammit-and-barbie-is-white-too-so-get-over-it/

[IDemo]

55. Nonsense

Jesus is Jewish Rye and Santa is cracked wheat...

[DhhD]

79. Love your reply Nonsense; black rye and blond wheat!

[Jester Messiah]

57. What next? Shall we argue over the ethnicity of the tooth fairy? Cthulhu?

Honestly, people get so worked up over their imaginary friends.

[JohninPA]

60. Imaginary?

We Orthodox Christians must have great imaginations. He is buried here:

http://www.basilicasannicola.it/home/index.php?lingua_id=2

[Gothmog]

67. According to Colbert, the Tooth Fairy is Latina

He has a theory as to what the teeth are used for

[csziggy]

74. Let's argue over which sauce the Flying Spaghetti Monster has!

Neapolitan or Bolognese? Alfredo, paglia e fieno, carbonara, or boscaiola? Pesto, briciolata, or aglio e olio?

Each sauce should rate its own sect!

(My husband just walked in and accused me of causing schisms...I'm in BIG trouble! LOL!)

[paulkienitz]

65. even Santa is questionable

if we look at the historical Saint Nicholas rather than at the folkloric Coca-Cola jolly fat guy. He was a Turk of Greek parentage. What color were Greeks back then? Today's Greeks are fairly white, while the Greeks of Homer's time, judging by their art, looked a lot like some of today's Turks. Fifth century Greeks? Hard to be sure. There was a lot of ethnic influx by white people in the sixth through eighth centuries, so my best guess is that Saint Nicholas's people were darker... though maybe not as dark as Jesus.

[tabasco]

73. Depraved, racist assholes n/t

[Historic NY]

77. I heard she still farts on the air.

[spiderpig]

81. People like this make me tired.

Morons.