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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:30 PM Dec 2013

National intelligence chief declassifies Bush-era documents on NSA programs

Source: Associated Press

The director of national intelligence is declassifying more documents that show how the National Security Agency was first authorised to start collecting bulk phone and internet records in the hunt for al-Qaida terrorists.

James Clapper explained in a statement Saturday that President George W Bush first authorised the spying as part of the Terrorist Surveillance Program, just after 9/11.

Bush's presidential authorisation eventually was replaced by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act – a law that requires a secret court to OK the spying.

The disclosures are part of the White House's campaign to justify the NSA surveillance, after leaks to the media by former agency contractor Edward Snowden.


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/21/national-intelligence-bush-era-nsa-documents

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zbdent

(35,392 posts)
1. "But ... but ... but ... that's unConstitutional, and treason, ... and ...
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 07:03 PM
Dec 2013

Benghazi!!! It must be the right thing for Bush43 to have done this, when it wasn't approved by the courts. Obama did it only after the courts allowed it, so that's treason, right???"

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
3. Bullshit. It started in February, 2001.
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 07:35 PM
Dec 2013
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/OnyxCollie/17

While it would seem that the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 would be the obvious place to start when discussing electronic surveillance under the Bush Administration, allegations made by former Qwest Communications International CEO Joseph P. Naccio and a statement made by Attorney General Michael Mukasey demand attention.

QWEST COMMUNICATIONS

In May 2006, USA TODAY reported that the three telecommunication carriers, AT&T, Verizon, and BellSouth had cooperated with the National Security Agency to secretly amass a database of phone call records of tens of millions of Americans (Cauley, 2006). The information was then analyzed to detect calling patterns in an effort to thwart terrorism. Following the reporting of this story, Mr. Nacchio’s attorney, Herbert Swan, released a statement that said the government had approached Qwest Communications to turn over customers’ calling records:

Mr. Nacchio made inquiry as to whether a warrant or other legal process had been secured in support of that request. When he learned that no such authority had been granted and that there was a disinclination on the part of authorities to use any legal process, including the Special Court which had been established to handle such matters, Mr. Nacchio concluded that these requests violated the privacy requirements of the Telecommunications Act. (Nakashima & Eggen, 2007).


Mr. Nacchio was convicted in April 2007 of 19 counts of insider trading, selling shares of Qwest stock before the value dropped.

In October 2007, The Rocky Mountain News, The Washington Post, and The New York Times reported that in court filings made by Mr. Naccio, the National Security Agency had approached Qwest Communications to turn over customer’s call records on February 27, 2001, nearly seven months before the terrorist attacks (Burnett & Smith, 2007, Nakashima & Eggen, 2007, Shane, 2007).

“’The Nacchio materials suggest that the NSA had sought telco cooperation even before 9/11 undermines the primary argument for letting the phone companies off the hook, which is the claim that they were simply acting in good faith after 9/11,’ said Kevin Bankston, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group.” (Vuong, 2007).


In return for cooperating, Mr. Naccio asserts, Qwest Communications would receive lucrative government contracts (Burnett & Smith, 2007, Nakashima & Eggen, 2007, Shane, 2007).

In a May 25, 2007 order, U.S. District Court Judge Edward W. Nottingham wrote that Nacchio has asserted that ‘Qwest entered into classified contracts valued at hundreds of millions of dollars, without a competitive bidding process and that in 2000 and 2001, he participated in discussion with high ranking representatives concerning the possibility of awarding additional contracts of a similar nature.’ He wrote, ‘Those discussions led him to believe that would award Qwest contracts valued at amounts that would more than offset the negative warnings he was receiving about Qwest’s financial prospects.’” Nakashima & Eggen, 2007.)


Mr. Naccio’s conviction, he contends, was retaliation for refusing to cooperate with the government (Burnett & Smith, 2007, Nakashima & Eggen, 2007, Shane, 2007).

U.S. District Judge Edward W. Nottingham would not permit the classified information about the contracts into the court, thereby sinking Mr. Nacchio’s retaliation defense (Burnett & Smith, 2007. In March 2008, a federal appeals court overturned the 19 insider trading convictions after concluding that the trial judge improperly excluded expert testimony that would have helped Mr. Nacchio advance his defense (Johnson, 2008).

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. I remember reading about this before and not understanding the problem. Now I get it.
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 07:52 PM
Dec 2013

So will a lot of other people.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
7. Thanks so much for this reminder.. Yes, BEFORE 9/11 this has been going on
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 09:56 PM
Dec 2013

I recall several reports and message board discussions centered around Quest Communications, but it was also a lot of discussion around internet privacy security (as it remains to this day) and all communication devices. Again thanks for the relevant details on this history. so easy to forget!

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
8. Info on the judge who screwed over Joseph Nacchio.
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 10:14 PM
Dec 2013
Counsel investigating chief judge's past
http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=102682&catid=188

In September 2007, Jeanne Elliot told 9Wants to Know that Nottingham parked in a handicapped parking space. After she blocked his vehicle in the space with her wheelchair, Elliot said Nottingham put his car in reverse.

"I could tell from his back-up lights going on and I thought, 'Oh boy! He's going to back over me," Elliott told 9NEWS in October 2007.

Elliott also claims that Nottingham told her, "If you don't get out of my way, I'm a federal judge and I'm going to call the U.S. Marshals and have them arrest you."

In a written statement, Nottingham said he regrets parking in the space, "But respectfully disagrees with the remainder of Ms. Elliott's version of this incident."


Complaint still hangs over judge
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/oct/23/complaint-still-hangs-over-judge/

A piece of U.S. District Court Judge Edward Nottingham's legal troubles is still unresolved before a state ethics panel, despite his resignation from the bench.

Nottingham stepped down Tuesday amid allegations of judicial misconduct involving a prostitute. The allegations were being investigated by the 10th Circuit Court Judicial Council.

A Minnesota man who has tangled with Nottingham in a federal court case filed the same charges last April with the state's Attorney Regulation Council, which investigates ethical complaints against lawyers.

A negative ruling by that panel could be a roadblock if Nottingham decides to resume practicing law in Colorado.


Federal Judge Edward Nottingham Resigns Amid Misconduct Allegations
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/10/21/federal-judge-edward-nottingham-resigns-amid-misconduct-allegations/?

This just in, from the Rockies: Federal Judge Edward Nottingham, who oversaw the insider trading trial of former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio, has resigned, according to the 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.

His resignation comes amid an investigation of complaints of judicial misconduct on the part of Nottingham (pictured), according to a statement from the appeals court. The complaints were lodged in August 2007, the court said, and since then “additional allegations developed and subsequent misconduct complaints were filed.” The court’s committees “conducted a thorough and extensive investigation, interviewed many witnesses, considered voluminous documentation, and conducted two hearings,” according to the statement.

Judge Nottingham so far has not returned a call to his chambers.

According to the Rocky Mountain News, the judge’s attorney issued this statement: “He is deeply remorseful for his actions. He is also embarrassed and ashamed for any loss of confidence caused by those actions and attendant publicity and sincerely apologies to the public and the judiciary.”
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
10. DC and this Administration are desperately trying to rewrite history on the NSA/spying on average
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 10:52 PM
Dec 2013
American citizens.

What were their bullsh!t LIES on WHY they need 30,000 armed Drones to patrol the American skies by 2020???

WHO do they think they'll need to be looking for???



9/11 was just the excuse to do what they always wanted to do anyway.


bananas

(27,509 posts)
11. Inauguration was Jan 20, so it was planned for long before then.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:56 AM
Dec 2013

Thanks for the links, OnyxCollie.

Saturday, Jan 20, 2001 05:00 PM PST
Thousands protest Bush’s Inauguration
Demonstrators lining the parade route give the new presidential limo an unwelcome splash on its way to the White House.
http://www.salon.com/2001/01/21/protests_8/

Protesters line inaugural parade route
Police arrest anti-Bush protesters a few blocks away from the White House on Saturday
January 20, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20061206144300/http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/20/protest.wrap/index.html



PSPS

(13,590 posts)
9. Yeah, and you want me to pull your other finger? More Clapper lies orchestrated by the White House.
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 10:51 PM
Dec 2013

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. And we know these are lies because...............?
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 07:54 PM
Dec 2013

throwing out "liar liar pans on fire" type comments is non-productive.
I am probably not the only person who would very much like to know what facts that comment is based upon.

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