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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 07:56 PM Dec 2013

Alan Turing gets his royal pardon for 'gross indecency' – 61 years after he poisoned himself

Source: Independent

He was the father of modern computing whose work on the Enigma code at Bletchley Park is said to have shortened the Second World War.

But he was also gay and in those less enlightened times was chemically castrated by an ungrateful nation after being convicted of “gross indecency” with a man in 1952.

Now, nearly 60 years after his suicide from cyanide poisoning at the age of 41, Alan Turing has been officially pardoned by the Queen under the little-known Royal Prerogative of Mercy.

The pardon comes after a change of heart by ministers who had previously insisted that Turing was properly convicted of what at the time was a criminal offence.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/alan-turing-gets-his-royal-pardon-for-gross-indecency--61-years-after-he-poisoned-himself-9023116.html

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Alan Turing gets his royal pardon for 'gross indecency' – 61 years after he poisoned himself (Original Post) dipsydoodle Dec 2013 OP
What happened to Turing was absolutely awful. nt octoberlib Dec 2013 #1
And what mankind lost by his needless death is equally terrible. beac Dec 2013 #15
Faster than Galileo, but still 60 years too late. n/t eggplant Dec 2013 #2
+1. The man was such an incredible genius. closeupready Dec 2013 #18
You mean to tell me there were people recently opposed to granting this pardon? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #3
You wanna read something terrible? christx30 Dec 2013 #6
Do the reactionaries still use bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #10
As the only form of diversity christx30 Dec 2013 #17
I was just visiting the Science Group this morning... theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #24
If Jesus was gay they would have....... hmmmm .....never mind. n/t Smarmie Doofus Dec 2013 #11
Remember Turing cosmicone Dec 2013 #4
Turing was the victim of the great double-bind gay men and lesbians were stuck in back then. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Dec 2013 #8
They don't want to give potential criminals bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #9
Good! MsPithy Dec 2013 #7
He was the single human being most responsible for the Allied Victory in WWII. byronius Dec 2013 #12
Agreed. I had no idea he'd been so mistreated by the nation he saved. Disgusting. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #19
+100 theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #23
It's too bad that some sick perverts ruined Alan Turing's life cpwm17 Dec 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #14
Good...but will EVERYONE convicted under that law be pardoned as well? NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #16
I take your point dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #20
Why can the same thing that was given to him not be given to everyone else convicted? NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #27
As I tried to explain they'd need to change a law retrospectively dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #28
, blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #21
I'm sure his shade is whooping it up over it. malthaussen Dec 2013 #22
"his shade" bitchkitty Dec 2013 #25
Nope, never been there. n/t malthaussen Dec 2013 #26
Yeah, he was only key in winning WWII, is all! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #29

beac

(9,992 posts)
15. And what mankind lost by his needless death is equally terrible.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:41 PM
Dec 2013

Just imagine what he could have gone on to discover and invent if he hadn't been hounded to suicide by the horrible "moral code" of the time.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
3. You mean to tell me there were people recently opposed to granting this pardon?
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:06 PM
Dec 2013

Yep. There were - fucking Tories.

One of the reasons I laugh when people give props to Andrew Sullivan. He still identifies as a Tory.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
6. You wanna read something terrible?
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:22 PM
Dec 2013

Get on any conservative website like FR and do a search for Turing. They are all along the lines of "Yeah he was instramental in defeating the Nazis and all that. Fine. Whatever. But he was gay!" (Actual quote about Turing: "Never trust a poofer.&quot That's all they care about. If Neil Armstrong had been gay, that's all they would have cared about. To hell with landing on the moon.

bucolic_frolic

(43,127 posts)
10. Do the reactionaries still use
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:14 PM
Dec 2013

the 1950s super-pejorative term "fruitcake"?

Or have they modernized their intolerance?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
17. As the only form of diversity
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:23 PM
Dec 2013

they will accept, they use all kinds of derogatory terms when describing LGBT people. I read it from time to time just to check it out and I fully expect to pick up the newspaper and see Eisenhower as president.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
24. I was just visiting the Science Group this morning...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 12:27 PM
Dec 2013

... watching a video on a science experiment when out of the blue the narrator flippantly called another guy a pansy. I was appalled and it has really upset me this morning... but apparently no one else even noticed the slur.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. Turing was the victim of the great double-bind gay men and lesbians were stuck in back then.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:11 PM
Dec 2013

They were barred from positions involving government secrecy because they were "subject to blackmail" if their sexual orientation were discovered by enemies-and the reason they WERE "subject to blackmail" was BECAUSE they'd lose their jobs if their sexual orientation was discovered.

If the governments involved had just said "we don't CARE what they do in their private lives" blackmail wouldn't have been possible.

Response to Ken Burch (Reply #5)

bucolic_frolic

(43,127 posts)
9. They don't want to give potential criminals
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:08 PM
Dec 2013

any ideas. Making it a prominent public issue for debate would
create an avalanche of cases and victims.

MsPithy

(809 posts)
7. Good!
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:25 PM
Dec 2013

Should have never happened. Just think what Turing could have accomplished with another 50 years, living his life in peace and contentment, as we all deserve.

byronius

(7,393 posts)
12. He was the single human being most responsible for the Allied Victory in WWII.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:28 PM
Dec 2013

That statement is not hyperbole. Winston Churchill is the second most responsible single human being for choosing Turing.

Allied commanders were able to read every Nazi battlefield order in real time, often before the Nazis could decrypt their own messages.

He's also the father of modern computer theory. An incredible mind.

His death has left a stain on the British nation that this pardon scarcely washes away.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
13. It's too bad that some sick perverts ruined Alan Turing's life
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:33 PM
Dec 2013

I wish he had received his pardon while he was still alive

Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
20. I take your point
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:11 AM
Dec 2013

but there is no provision within our law to declare that what was once a criminal offense, although no longer the case , was not so at the time.

Do you have any such provision with your law / constitution ?

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
27. Why can the same thing that was given to him not be given to everyone else convicted?
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 01:52 PM
Dec 2013

Surely if it's possible to do it for one person, it's possible to do it for multiple - no?

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
28. As I tried to explain they'd need to change a law retrospectively
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 02:21 PM
Dec 2013

with respect to a much earlier time period which has never been done so there is no precedent.

With regards use of what's known as the Royal Prerogative of Mercy this is only the fourth time its been used since WW2 where on each occasion a special case was made solely for an individual.

malthaussen

(17,186 posts)
22. I'm sure his shade is whooping it up over it.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:08 AM
Dec 2013

These pardons-long-after-you're-dead always make me scratch my head, but I guess better to be pardoned than otherwise.

-- Mal

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