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iandhr

(6,852 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:00 PM Dec 2013

Kim Jong-un orders rounding up of people connected to Jang Song Thaek

Source: The Australian

AFTER having his uncle Jang Song-Thaek executed, Kim Jong-un has reportedly rounded up 'hundreds' of people connected to the former second in command.

The claims have been published in a variety of newspapers including the Daily Mail, which reported that hundreds of people were taken away by military police from the Pyongchong area of the capital Pyongyang.


The source said both close and distant relations of Jang Song-Thaek had been taken away, including relatives connected to his father.



Song-Thaek was executed on December 12 after being labelled a traitor on state television and denounced by the leader as being "worse than a dog".

The statement read out on television stated Jong-Un's uncle "committed such hideous crime as attempting to overthrow the state by all sorts of intrigues and despicable methods with a wild ambition to grab the supreme power of our party and state."

The news of the roundup comes as former pro basketballer Dennis Rodman is in North Korea on a visit, ostensibly to train local basketballers.


Read more: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/kim-jongun-orders-rounding-up-of-people-connected-to-jang-song-thaek/story-e6frg6n6-1226788759210

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Kim Jong-un orders rounding up of people connected to Jang Song Thaek (Original Post) iandhr Dec 2013 OP
This is going to be a short-lived regime Plucketeer Dec 2013 #1
How would a power vaccuum work in such a messed up place? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #2
If Kim Jong-Un has at least one son, the mantle falls on his shoulders next derby378 Dec 2013 #3
Jury rigged is right. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #4
It's really quite an experiment, isn't it? Plucketeer Dec 2013 #6
In that case, whoever does the eliminating will have a succession plan in order DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #12
Might be a lateral move to one of KJI's other sons who got passed over for promotion the first time brooklynite Dec 2013 #21
Plucketeer Diclotican Dec 2013 #5
That's my guess too. Kim the Third seems to be the insecure type. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #20
How come? treestar Dec 2013 #23
So, you're notion is Plucketeer Dec 2013 #24
No I was asking you what you based your opinion on treestar Dec 2013 #25
I reason that Plucketeer Dec 2013 #27
A question for all you intelligent DU readers. dead_head Dec 2013 #7
What if Rodman is CIA iandhr Dec 2013 #8
Rodman is heir to the throne. olddad56 Dec 2013 #9
Jane Fonda hung out with Ho Chi Minh for a while JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #11
good point dead_head Dec 2013 #13
Only the RW Fox Commentators cared that Obama and Castro shook hands JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #14
My mistake dead_head Dec 2013 #15
The RWers don't know what to make of Rodman, so they don't flip out. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #16
Who does one negotiate with to stop aggression? Not one's friends. Lincoln had a quote on this. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #17
I rather doubt there are "no questions asked" of Mr. Rodman, coming or going. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #19
There is freedom to travel treestar Dec 2013 #22
Why is he " allowed" jberryhill Dec 2013 #26
LOL! MAYBE..... Plucketeer Dec 2013 #28
I get the feeling that it's going to get unusually ugly over there. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #10
It's been OTHERWORLDLY ugly over there for years. The nightmare never ends. Psycho rulers, little freshwest Dec 2013 #18
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
1. This is going to be a short-lived regime
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:04 PM
Dec 2013

Kim Jong-Un is gonna end up dead by his own doing. And many innocents are gonna die to get to that point.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
2. How would a power vaccuum work in such a messed up place?
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:16 PM
Dec 2013

Let's say the #4 or #5 guy in North Korea shoots young dipshit in the head as soon as he gets a chance. Is that an automatic death sentence for #4/#5, along with his entire extended family, or is it within the realm of possibility to think that the remaining leadership might see a better path in trying to make peace with the west. I'm not at all sure there's anyone remaining in North Korea who is old enough to possess a mindset like that. I'm under the impression that every last one of its citizens is brainwashed from birth.

Anyway, do you see an outside chance of a coup working, or is North Korea such a special hell that this can't happen there, given the state of the populace?

derby378

(30,252 posts)
3. If Kim Jong-Un has at least one son, the mantle falls on his shoulders next
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:42 PM
Dec 2013

Remember that Kim Il-Sung is still considered the President of the DPRK, even though he's dead. The cult of Kim is one of the most jury-rigged, inexplicable, and tragic systems our planet has to endure today.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
4. Jury rigged is right.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:58 PM
Dec 2013

I feel like if the population of North Korea understood just how screwed they are, and artificially so, Un and the Gang would be dead in 5 minutes.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
6. It's really quite an experiment, isn't it?
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:48 PM
Dec 2013

I think Un will be "eliminated" in some way, shape or fashion before too long. Then what will all those poor dupes who are told when to laugh or cry, do???

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
12. In that case, whoever does the eliminating will have a succession plan in order
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:38 PM
Dec 2013

Who knows...maybe that's what Uncle Dearly Departed had in mind--nothing but a wild guess on my part.

brooklynite

(94,480 posts)
21. Might be a lateral move to one of KJI's other sons who got passed over for promotion the first time
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 01:01 PM
Dec 2013

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
5. Plucketeer
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:07 PM
Dec 2013

Plucketeer

I Hope for the people in DKPR that this regime would be short lived, but I also doubt that it will happened before he does some extremely horrible against the wrong people - as it is - he have been "smart" to keep the ones who matter in DKPR - the army in his favor - and thats matter in a regime like DKRP

But then again - he might go to far - as many dictators and tyrants have doing before him - the history from ancient times to our own near history is full of dictators, tyrants and emperors who believed they could trust their military - and to do as they want with the rest - and was able to do it for a long time - but in the end - it was their own Praetorian guards who killed them off - as their trusted allies in the army was fearfully of their life - and decided it was better to strike first - than to loose his own head.... Calligulia, Nero, Galba, Otho, Vitellius, Domitian, Commodus, Caracalla - and many more experienced that first hand - when they overstepped their wide boundaries - and was killed as a result - even though Nero was able to kill himself - after dethronement and made a refugee and an enemy of the Senate and State..

Dictators - and people with unlimited powers - as Kin Jong Un looks like he have - will sooner or later overstep his boundaries - and face the wrath of the people in the end - but I doubt that will start anytime soon - mostly because DKPR is a specially case where normal reasons do not apply in the same way... In most ways DKPR are in a league of their own - Even Josef Stalin would have had envy to the cult the DKPR leadership have made possible for themself... And Hitler would have turned around in whatever grave he might be in.... I guess even Mao would have been in envy of the worship of the Kim dynasty...

And in a country who have used brainwashing and propaganda in over 60 years - with allmoust no contact with the outside world - since the 1960s the country have more or less been closed off - the government have full controll over the State - and the media is 100 percent propaganda for the State - and the leadership... And anyone who might be in the area of thinking independed wil surly understand it is best to be quiet about it - or risk ending up in a prison camp - with your familiy... Or to be public excecuted to make a statement about the power of the STATE...


Diclotican

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. How come?
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 01:14 PM
Dec 2013

The people there are so brainwashed about the Kims. Little Un caught this attempt at a palace coup. Do you think there are enough people there that would support a coup, or people there who could manage to get away with it.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
24. So, you're notion is
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 02:30 PM
Dec 2013

that this little outpost of insanity can just cruise along for as long as there's a dictator's baton to pass on? I'm betting they've got to have a meltdown eventually - brainwashed or not.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
25. No I was asking you what you based your opinion on
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 02:44 PM
Dec 2013

why did you make those assumptions? Merely asking that meant I must think what you've assigned? I've never understood that mentality.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
27. I reason that
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 04:14 PM
Dec 2013

There's never been a truly long-lasting tyrannical regime in the history of man. Even a few hundred years is a mere blink in time. I think the USA is headed for a major upheaval in the not-too-distant future as well. Oppression simply refuses to stay corked up for infinity.

Do I see the details of how this Korean drama will play out - what the igniting catalyst might be..... no. But I'd bet everything that it WILL come to pass.

dead_head

(81 posts)
7. A question for all you intelligent DU readers.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:53 PM
Dec 2013

HI!

I had a discussion with my buddies about Denis Rodman and North Korea. I asked the question on my facebook. Here's the question;

-I got a question for all my intelligent facebook freinds. I was talking about it yesterday. Why is Dennis Rodman allowed to go be buddies with the leaders of North Korea and that the us government does nothing? I don't think any hasbeen celebrities could have palled around Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro. And back in the day they would freak out if somone would go to soviet russia hang around with reds.-


In these days of paranoia and orwellian big brother surveillance, why can he go train a basketball team with no questions asked?

Thanks!


www.deadheadcomicks.com

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
11. Jane Fonda hung out with Ho Chi Minh for a while
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:28 PM
Dec 2013

Michael Moore visited Cuba and did a reality-style film about the medical system. Unknown if he was received by any of the Castros.

I don't think Hugo Chavez ever rose to the "axis of evil" level. When Sean Penn or Oliver Stone visited him, nobody cared much.

What would you have the US govt do about Rodman? Maybe we'll get involved if Kim decides to throw him in a N.K. prison, or execute him. It's Rodman's risk. His visits don't harm us. It's an entertaining diversion from Duck Dynasty.



Plus, how would you find a CIA agent willing to put cuffs on Rodman? "The Strange" might be contagious!

Apologies, you were looking for answers from intelligent DUers, and instead found a Bozo with a belly full of wine. Oh, well.



dead_head

(81 posts)
13. good point
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:45 PM
Dec 2013

I did know Micheal Moore went to Cuba and forgot about Oliver Stone and Chavez.

Thanks, you make a good point.



The opinion of my friend was that he's the only american who can go there, so they let him go.


Still I find it extremely weird that he can do that. I mean he's hanging out with someone who threatened countries.
When Obama shook hand with Raoul people said it was like shaking Hitler's hand.
Could he visit Iran's supreme leader?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
14. Only the RW Fox Commentators cared that Obama and Castro shook hands
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:51 PM
Dec 2013

It was two people meeting and greeting at a funeral. Not Obama selling us to the commies.

Anyway, normalizing relations with Cuba is long past due. The missile crisis is over.

Would he visit Iran's supreme leader? Probably not. But he might receive Iran's leader at a Camp David summit. Wouldn't that cause some winger heads to explode.

dead_head

(81 posts)
15. My mistake
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:53 PM
Dec 2013

I was thinking of Rodman playing soccer with Iran's supreme leader.

And of course I agree that Obama should shake Raoul's hand.
The thing is RWers flipped out but I don't hear them flipping out with Rodman. (obviously it's not the president but still)

Thanks

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
16. The RWers don't know what to make of Rodman, so they don't flip out.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:55 PM
Dec 2013

and on that, I'm of a mind with the RWers.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
17. Who does one negotiate with to stop aggression? Not one's friends. Lincoln had a quote on this. n/t
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:03 PM
Dec 2013

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. There is freedom to travel
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 01:11 PM
Dec 2013

The US won't prohibit anyone from traveling there. In fact, it can become a problem when people insist on going to dangerous places. That 85 year old guy who went there and was detained for a while became a US government problem.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_6219.html

Korea, Democratic People's Republic of

November 19, 2013

The Department of State recommends against all travel by U.S. citizens to North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or DPRK). This replaces the Travel Warning for North Korea of October 1, to update information on the risk of arbitrary arrest and detention of U.S. citizens in North Korea.

Travel by U.S. citizens to North Korea is not routine, and U.S. citizens crossing into North Korea, even accidentally, have been subject to arbitrary arrest and long-term detention. Since January 2009, four U.S. citizens have been arrested for entering North Korea illegally, and two U.S. citizens who entered on valid DPRK visas were arrested inside North Korea on other charges. The Department of State has also received reports of DPRK authorities arbitrarily detaining U.S. citizens and not allowing them to depart the country.

The Government of North Korea has not only imposed heavy fines on, but has also detained, arrested, and imprisoned persons who violated DPRK laws, such as entering the country illegally or attempting to contact private DPRK citizens without government authorization. Travelers to North Korea must enter the DPRK with a valid passport and valid DPRK visa. Foreign visitors to North Korea may be arrested, detained, or expelled for activities that would not be considered criminal outside North Korea, including involvement in unsanctioned religious and/or political activities (whether those activities took place inside or outside North Korea), unauthorized travel, or unauthorized interaction with the local population.

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If DPRK authorities permit you to keep your cell phone upon entry into the country, please keep in mind that you have no right to privacy in North Korea and should assume your communications are monitored. It is a criminal act to bring printed or electronic media criticizing the DPRK government into the country. If you bring electronic media, including USB drives, CD-ROMs, DVDs, or laptops, into the country, you must assume that North Korean authorities will review the information on those devices. Please be sure that the information contained on those devices does not violate the laws or regulations of the DPRK, as penalties for knowingly or unknowingly violating North Korea's laws are much harsher than U.S. penalties for similar offenses. Sentences for crimes can include years of detention in hard labor camps or death.

Since the United States does not maintain diplomatic or consular relations with the DPRK, the U.S. government has no means to provide normal consular services to U.S. citizens in North Korea. The Embassy of Sweden, the U.S. Protecting Power in the DPRK capital of Pyongyang, provides limited consular services to U.S. citizens traveling in North Korea who are ill, injured, arrested, or who have died while there. The U.S.-DPRK Interim Consular Agreement provides that North Korea will notify the Embassy of Sweden within four days of an arrest or detention of a U.S. citizen and will allow consular visits by the Swedish Embassy within two days after a request is made. However, the DPRK government routinely delays or denies consular access.

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Munsu-Dong District
Pyongyang, DPRK
Telephone: (850-2) 3817 485 (reception)
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Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
28. LOL! MAYBE.....
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 04:17 PM
Dec 2013

our government has watched what's played out with the Dunce Dynasty Debacle and decided not to set off another firestorm where the guvamint really WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE for such a super-star transgression!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. It's been OTHERWORLDLY ugly over there for years. The nightmare never ends. Psycho rulers, little
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:05 PM
Dec 2013
different than a monarch taking someone's head off or executing a family on the royal whim.
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